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No as decreed by Joefizz and blue lady bug,you must stay,otherwise we will get bored and that cannot be allowed!
Also who can we find that can be vain annoying and funny at the same time? lol
 

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Matt Maher - Lord, I need You
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Lord, I come, I confess
Bowing here I find my rest
Without You I fall apart
You're the One that guides my heart

Lord, I need You, oh, I need You
Every hour I need You
My one defense, my righteousness
Oh God, how I need You

Where sin runs deep
Your grace is more
Where grace is found is where You are
And where You are, Lord, I am free
Holiness is Christ in me

Lord, I need You, oh, I need You
Every hour I need You
My one defense, my righteousness
Oh God, how I need You

To teach my song to rise to You
When temptation comes my way
When I cannot stand I'll fall on You
Jesus, You're my hope and stay

Lord, I need You, oh, I need You
Every hour I need You
My one defense, my righteousness
Oh God, how I need You

You're my one defense, my righteousness
Oh God, how I need You
My one defense, my righteousness
Oh God, how I need You
 

BillG

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thats a bummer... i liked gary but
to be honest i have been thinking of leaving myself....

though i may not ask for my account to be deleted incase i want go come back
Hey young man.

I have no idea if you go to a church or not and if so what it is doing for you.

What I do know though is that I have seen you grow here, post here, be willing to learn here.

Your heart is in the right place. You want to grow in Jesus.
If you can grow here then stay here.

If at times your heart sinks here based on what you read remeber you will find it in a physical church and this virtual church.
The physical person and the virtual person will express what they feel, either way our thoughts and responses to posts here will be the same.

I have seen an youngster in Jesus grow.
Whether it be as a result of this site or not, stick with those whom are helping you grow.

You my brother in Jesus bring something to the table. I would say when you do then you do so because you feel it correct to do so.

The problem here is that at times some will come at you and make you feel like crap or an idiot. Ignore such people.
Those who wish to correct in love, hang on to such people.

I urge you also that if you are convinced by the Holy Spirit to post what you believe and it’s the truth then stick with it.
 
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joefizz

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Hey young man.

I have no idea if you go to a church or not and if so what it is doing for you.

What I do know though is that I have seen you grow here, post here, be willing to learn here.

Your heart is in the right place. You want to grow in Jesus.
If you can grow here then stay here.

If at times your heart sinks here based on what you read remeber you will find it in a physical church and this virtual church.
The physical person and the virtual person will express what they feel, either way our thoughts and responses to posts here will be the same.

I have seen an youngster in Jesus grow.
Whether it be as a result of this site or not, stick with those whom are helping you grow.

You my brother in Jesus bring something to the table. I would say when you do then you do so because you feel it correct to do so.

The problem here is that at times some will come at you and make you feel like crap or an idiot. Ignore such people.
Those who wish to correct in love, hang on to such people.

I urge you also that if you are convinced by the Holy Spirit to post what you believe and it’s the truth then stick with it.
Yep altogether we form a fellowship with each of our different views and beliefs coming together at least for the same purpose for the most part,though I go to other Christian chat sites this one is the most uplifting and learnful out of all the rest to me though one I can chat on so that's nice too.
 
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Your hatred is toward anything or anyone who does not agree with you.. You will make little names up for people that oppose you.. like a good ole boys club of uniting in rude jibes.. The Everlasting Gospel stands and the saints Keep the Commandments of GOD and Have the Faith of Jesus.
I hate no one....now you judged my motive....thanks...one thing for sure with you...consistently wrong and in error
 
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We do not ke4ep it to be saved, Keep saved, or to not lose salvation

We keep it because WE ARE SAVED, we learn God is faithful in all he says.


No one here is preaching we do not have to learn to become Christlike in all we do. Your slander is getting old!!
That is all they have.....the only way to condemn those who rightly believe that faith and faith alone saves is to accuse them (like the devil) that they do not serve or bear fruit/works.........nothing but lies!
 
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everlasting live for those who believe in the Son. you know, John chapter 3, 10, Titus 3, just off the top of my head.

works do not save, nor maintain salvation. say it does all you want, but you are wrong, the Bible does not say this.
Amen.......just another gospel of a different kind with no power to save.....faith plus anything to gain, keep or embellish salvation = false gospel, no power to save and double cursed.....!
 
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if u teach u can be saved by da works of the law, u are contradicting the gospel of grace.

here ya got the gospel nicely packed into a couple sentences, thank God! :

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:


what do ya gotta do to be saved? a certain guy asked da same question and this is what paul and silas answered him (also the world known john 3:16):

Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.


and if ur still saying u gotta do works of the law like all da rituals and ceremonial things to be saved, ya got some bad news:

Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 
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Do you suppose they take a coupon cutter and cut these verses out of their Bibles?


Philippians 1:6 (ASV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] being confident of this very thing, that he who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ:


Daniel 9:18 (NKJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies.


MERCY is receiving what YOU DO NOT DESERVE, and GRACE is receiving what YOU CANNOT EARN.


Titus 3:4-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Galatians 2:16-21 (ESV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not!
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Romans 7:18-24 (CSBBible)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh. For the desire to do what is good is with me, but there is no ability to do it.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For I do not do the good that I want to do, but I practice the evil that I do not want to do.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Now if I do what I do not want, I am no longer the one that does it, but it is the sin that lives in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] So I discover this law: When I want to do what is good, evil is present with me.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For in my inner self I delight in God's law,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see a different law in the parts of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and taking me prisoner to the law of sin in the parts of my body.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?



I highly suspect, THEY DO NOT HAVE A DEEP ENOUGH UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ALL GOD CONSIDERS SIN.

And the FACT that one so-called small sin, makes you GUILTY of Braking ALL of GOD's LAW.


James 2:10 (CSBBible)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the entire law, and yet stumbles at one point, is guilty of breaking it all.


Hebrews 8:1-2 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] a minister in the holy places, in the true tent that the Lord set up, not man.


Now most Christians MISS the significance of the statement that I underlined in verse 1. In the Earthly Temple, the HIGH PRIEST NEVER SAT DOWN, BECAUSE HIS WORK WAS NEVER FINISHED. BUT OUR HIGH PRIEST IN HEAVEN SAT DOWN, BECAUSE HIS WORK IS FINISHED.


Notice in the Earthly TEMPLE there are no places to sit, except the MERCY SEAT in the Holy of Holies, reserved for GOD.




They cut a bunch of verses out.....and they deny verb tense, embellish, twist, mix, puree, change verses more than a quick change artist at Ceasar's Palace in Vegas
 
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if u teach u can be saved by da works of the law, u are contradicting the gospel of grace.

here ya got the gospel nicely packed into a couple sentences, thank God! :

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:


what do ya gotta do to be saved? a certain guy asked da same question and this is what paul and silas answered him (also the world known john 3:16):

Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.


and if ur still saying u gotta do works of the law like all da rituals and ceremonial things to be saved, ya got some bad news:

Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
AMEN.....THE simplicity found in Christ.....it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE.
 

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Amen.......just another gospel of a different kind with no power to save.....faith plus anything to gain, keep or embellish salvation = false gospel, no power to save and double cursed.....!
And I agree also that a different gospel = different Jesus = no power to save. if you need to find a new Church or fellowship where you can learn and grow in the faith, find one where you are "being fed the word of God" Jesus told Peter, "then go feed my sheep." If you are not being feed the word of God, go look for a new fellowship where you are being fed and where you can grow and have ministry to use the spiritual gifts' that God has given you.

"For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough."
 
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And I agree also that a different gospel = different Jesus = no power to save. if you need to find a new Church or fellowship where you can learn and grow in the faith, find one where you are "being fed the word of God" Jesus told Peter, "then go feed my sheep." If you are not being feed the word of God, go look for a new fellowship where you are being fed and where you can grow and have ministry to use the spiritual gifts' that God has given you.

"For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough."
Amen.....faith plus anything to gain or finish salvation = false gospel with no power to save and all who buy into it are decevied and foolish according to the man inspired to write almost half of the N.T.
 
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AMEN.....THE simplicity found in Christ.....it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE.
u know why the simplicity found in Christ scares folks. its bcuz its not religious rituals or earning salvation. most of all many of us as humans tend to wanna work for things.

but if u present the gospel in that way ppl will tell u "oh so u can just live like u want and still be saved?". this is what paul was facing in his day too he was writing about it all da time.
 
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u know why the simplicity found in Christ scares folks. its bcuz its not religious rituals or earning salvation. most of all many of us as humans tend to wanna work for things.

but if u present the gospel in that way ppl will tell u "oh so u can just live like u want and still be saved?". this is what paul was facing in his day too he was writing about it all da time.
You are correct....the same farce gets peddled today as well.....even though we do not espouse or teach that.....
 

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As wise as serpents as gentle as doves.. may GOD grant us wisdom and humble us to this.

Thanks for that reminder Phart...
Hi love...I was listening to a preacher today, his name is Alistair Begg, he is a Scottish man and a man with a gentle spirit...He was talking about how we should be tough on ourselves, but in gentleness as the Holy Spirit requires of us, he was talking about how we must rebuke those who are harsh with gentleness, be gentle in our walk, like a dove, I believe people listen more to those that speak with a gentle spirit then those who speak harshly, gentleness goes a long way, harshness makes one cover the ears, its noisy and sounds like clanging bells...xox...