ONLY CHRIST'S ATONEMENT SATISFIES GOD

[joaniemarie]

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1 John 2:1–2[/TD]
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[TD="class: yiv1354212632mcnTextContent"][h=2]- SEPTEMBER 29 -
ONLY CHRIST’S ATONEMENT SATISFIES GOD[/h][HR][/HR]
Today, Jews still observe Yom Kippur or the Day of Atonement. As the name suggests, it is a day set aside to make atonement for one’s sins. But for Christians, this beautiful feast points to Jesus and what He did for us on the cross. Because of His sacrifice, all our sins have already been perfectly atoned for. That is why, should we sin, we know that “we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous”. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins.

Now, it does not say that if anyone repents, we have an Advocate with the Father. It says that if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father. The moment a child of God sins, straightaway, his Advocate, Jesus Christ, goes into action to pray for and protect him.

What about repentance then?

The word “repentance” is metanoia in the Greek, which means to change one’s mind. For example, you used to believe that Jesus was just a good man. Then one day, you repented and believed that He is the Son of the living God, who died for your sins and rose again on the third day, and you gladly took Him as your Savior.

Bible repentance is not this idea of hitting or punishing yourself to atone for your sins. Don’t turn it into a human work, like the man who went to a priest to confess his sins. When they were done, the priest asked the man, “By the way, what do you do for a living?” The man replied, “I’m a contortionist,” and proceeded to give a demonstration. Another man came along wanting to confess his sins. When he saw the contortionist all twisted up on the ground, he said, “If this is repentance, forget it!” and ran off!

My friend, there is no need to climb the Himalayas or whip your back bloody to atone for your sins. No amount of self-punishment or crying can atone for them. Your sins have already been punished fully in the body of Jesus. Only His finished work satisfies God. So change your mind and simply believe that Jesus alone is the propitiation for your sins!

Destined To Reign Devotional by Pastor Joseph Prince

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[joaniemarie]

This is certainly good news! I'm so happy to know it and apply it. Thank You Jesus.

 

[Nehemiah6]

More spiritual confusion from Joseph Prince. joaniemarie, there is no need to keep posting spiritual nonsense from JP. Either he does not understand, or he deliberately misrepresents Bible truth. Since he has been identified as a false teacher, what you are doing is promoting false doctrine. Now it is up to you to search the Scriptures and discover what he has omitted and what he has deliberately misrepresented.

 

[joaniemarie]

I'm sorry you feel that way Nehemiah but just because you feel that way doesn't make it true. I don't promote false doctrine either. You have established me and this devotional as false but that is to your shame not mine. It's up to you to quit accusing a sister in Christ.

 

[joaniemarie]

The truth of being completely forgiven is needed to be shared among us believers. Many Christians believe they are not forgiven until they are crushed with guilt and shame and condemnation and then without any assurance or expectation., they beg for forgiveness believing this is the manner to which we go to our Father. And many believe those things are coming from the Holy Spirit to convict and cause them to feel sorry.

Many believers don't go to communion because of this. Their shame and guilt is so huge they feel totally unworthy to partake of communion. But nothing could be further from the truth! It's for that very reason that Jesus is to be remembered and worshiped when we partake of communion. He is the only One who could do such a great and wonderful thing that He did for us. He did what we could not do. He made a clear way to the Father so we could come anytime day or night. Nothing can separate us from the love of God IN Christ.

Yet today many believers are allowing the enemy to point them to their sin and not to the sin Forgiver.,Jesus. I used to allow the condemnation of the enemy separate me from the Love of God IN Christ Jesus and that is actually a huge victory the devil had over me. But not today. Today I know the truth of a clear conscience because of Christ work on the cross.

When our conscience calls for justice for our failures we have to know that Jesus was already punished and judged in our place for any and all sins we ever committed or will commit. Every time my conscience tries to condemn me I point myself to the cross. No wallowing in shame because Jesus has already justified us 100%.
We should be learning to walk in that newness of life in that new position we have been given IN Christ.

 

[mcubed]

As a Jew tonight at dusk I will be alone with G-d in worship thanking Him for being my Atonement. I will take a personal inventory of my sin and pray for forgiveness, but NOT TO BE SAVED BUT TO BE CHANGED. I WILL GO TO HEAVEN BECAUSE Y-SHUA IS MY ATONEMENT but I want to please Him out of love I do not want to sin against Him. The Books are open on Yom Kippur and because I am saved I am written there. My mitzvahs are only because of He that lives in me and not he who lives in the world. I am so gratefully honored to not have to try to repent my way into the Book of Life but because I know the Author and Finisher of my faith and Life I am written there. Now, when I am done spending my 24 in prayer and repentance I will have heard from Him but Y-shua says the heart is deceitful who can know it. He will show me .... well me and I will be that living Scripture we are new creatures in Y-shua Messiah all things are passed away we are born anew what a GREAT 24 CAN NOT WAIT FOR SUNRISE SO IT WILL SET THEN ME AND DADDY TIME!!!!!!

 

[joaniemarie]

I am still getting used to the fact that all my sins are forgiven and I'm only ever seen IN Christ. Also., did you know that we got a brand new heart when we got saved? Did you know that our hearts are not deceitful anymore?

Years ago I quoted religiously the verse in Psalm 66:18 ; "if I regard iniquity in my heart the Lord will not hear me" because I never was taught that Jesus gave us new hearts. I've since learned that the Lord always hears His sheep not based on our own righteousness but based on Jesus gift of righteousness and grace to us.

It has to do with the new covenant we are living in that states in Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under law but under grace. We have been placed in a new covenant of grace where we learn these truths about how to walk in newness of life. We don't learn from the law of sin and death but from grace... How grace... God's unmerited unearned love and favor is how we are dealt with. We are no longer dealt with according to our sins but according to His grace where with He loved us.

We need to daily claim and take hold of the truth of who we are in Christ., that we are no longer lost pathetic sinners but saved righteous saints. That will help us walk out the righteousness of Christ in us because we are learning about how righteousness was given to us as a gift from Jesus who is the Author and Finisher of our faith. He deals with us now according to grace. He doesn't deal with us according to our sin. Amen!

The Bible says when we learn about grace we will then learn how grace teaches us how to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts. How to live soberly, righteously and Godly in this present age... Brick upon brick and line upon line these truths come together to make a strong hold of faith in God's love for us. These truths will take up residence where the old strong holds used to be in our thinking.
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[joaniemarie]

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[TD="class: yiv3176198862mcnTextContent, align: center"]Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
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[TD="class: yiv3176198862mcnTextContent"][h=2]- SEPTEMBER 30 -
DON’T LET YOUR PAST ROB YOU[/h]
[HR][/HR]Are you living a life of regrets thinking, “If only…”? “If only I had that college education…If only I had married the right girl…If only I had taken up the other job…If only I had not made that stupid mistake…”

Is your past robbing you of the joy of today? Then forget your past!

You might say, “But Pastor Prince, you do not know what I have done in the past!”

Consider Paul. If the devil had anything to bring against Paul, it would be reminders of how he had persecuted the early church and caused the deaths of many, including Stephen, the first Christian martyr.

Paul had done horrendous things that were hard for him to forget. But he had such a revelation of God’s awesome forgiveness that he could say, “forgetting those things which are behind…I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus”.

Beloved, God has forgiven you of all your sins. He has completely forgiven you and declared, “Your sins and lawless deeds, I will remember no more.” (Hebrews 10:17)

Like Paul, you can forget your past, the wrongs you have done and the hurts you have caused others or been through yourself. God can take the tears of yesterday and transform them into the miracles of tomorrow. He can restore to you in all abundance what you have lost. He can cause all things, even the painful events of your past, to work together for your good. (Romans 8:28)

God’s Word says, “The glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.” (Isaiah 58:8) His glory will cover your past. Wherever you go, His glory covers your past. It is no longer the same past that you know of because His glory has descended on it. Your past is past. It has been wiped out. It is gone! So don’t let your past rob you of today’s joy any longer!

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[EJS1023]

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1 John 2:1–2[/TD]
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[TD="class: yiv1354212632mcnTextContent"][h=2]- SEPTEMBER 29 -
ONLY CHRIST’S ATONEMENT SATISFIES GOD[/h][HR][/HR]
Today, Jews still observe Yom Kippur or the Day of Atonement. As the name suggests, it is a day set aside to make atonement for one’s sins. But for Christians, this beautiful feast points to Jesus and what He did for us on the cross. Because of His sacrifice, all our sins have already been perfectly atoned for. That is why, should we sin, we know that “we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous”. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins.

Now, it does not say that if anyone repents, we have an Advocate with the Father. It says that if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father. The moment a child of God sins, straightaway, his Advocate, Jesus Christ, goes into action to pray for and protect him.

What about repentance then?

The word “repentance” is metanoia in the Greek, which means to change one’s mind. For example, you used to believe that Jesus was just a good man. Then one day, you repented and believed that He is the Son of the living God, who died for your sins and rose again on the third day, and you gladly took Him as your Savior.

Bible repentance is not this idea of hitting or punishing yourself to atone for your sins. Don’t turn it into a human work, like the man who went to a priest to confess his sins. When they were done, the priest asked the man, “By the way, what do you do for a living?” The man replied, “I’m a contortionist,” and proceeded to give a demonstration. Another man came along wanting to confess his sins. When he saw the contortionist all twisted up on the ground, he said, “If this is repentance, forget it!” and ran off!

My friend, there is no need to climb the Himalayas or whip your back bloody to atone for your sins. No amount of self-punishment or crying can atone for them. Your sins have already been punished fully in the body of Jesus. Only His finished work satisfies God. So change your mind and simply believe that Jesus alone is the propitiation for your sins!

Destined To Reign Devotional by Pastor Joseph Prince

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While it is true Christ is and will always be my righteousness, II Corinthians 5:21. I also see in Scripture the command to renew my mind; Romans 12:1-2; Ephesians 4:23 and since repentance is to change one mind, we Believers who our strangers in this world yet often need to have our mind renew unto Jesus Christ for it often wanders after the things of earth instead of Christ.

So yes i'm saved by Christ not by my works. But I should constantly be renewing my mind and what better day to get my nasty mindset on heaven; than on Yom Kippur.

Thou will kept him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.
Isaiah 26:3

For Paul tells us to bring our thought captive to Jesus in I Corinthians 10:3-5.

Now as Believers in Christ we don't have to follow Yom Kippur; but as worldly (carnal) as my mind has become I will be.

 

[MarcR]

Regardless what any of us may believe about pastor Prince's teaching of or ties to WOF; IMO the devotionals that Joaniemarie has been posting have been wholesome and uplifting.

The word translated as propitiation ιλασμος is the same word used in the Septuigent to translate the Hebrew word K'fahr meaning covering.

The intent of 1Jn 2:2 is that Jesus, and/or his sacrifice on our behalf, covers or hides our sin(s) from the Father's sight.

 

[joaniemarie]

While it is true Christ is and will always be my righteousness, II Corinthians 5:21. I also see in Scripture the command to renew my mind; Romans 12:1-2; Ephesians 4:23 and since repentance is to change one mind, we Believers who our strangers in this world yet often need to have our mind renew unto Jesus Christ for it often wanders after the things of earth instead of Christ.

So yes i'm saved by Christ not by my works. But I should constantly be renewing my mind and what better day to get my nasty mindset on heaven; than on Yom Kippur.

Thou will kept him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.
Isaiah 26:3

For Paul tells us to bring our thought captive to Jesus in I Corinthians 10:3-5.

Now as Believers in Christ we don't have to follow Yom Kippur; but as worldly (carnal) as my mind has become I will be.

I understand your point and agree. Taking seriously what the Bible says about the renewing of our minds. This is something I notice each of us are dealing with in our own way every day. I also admire your preparation. Here's a question that was put out there that had me questioning what the verse in 2 Cor. 10:3-5 means.
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3 [/SUP]For though we walk (live) in the flesh, we are not carrying on our warfare according to the flesh and using mere human weapons.
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4 [/SUP]For the weapons of our warfare are not physical [weapons of flesh and blood], but they are mighty before God for the overthrow and destruction of strongholds,
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5 [/SUP][Inasmuch as we] refute arguments and theories and reasonings and every proud and lofty thing that sets itself up against the [true] knowledge of God; and we lead every thought and purpose away captive into the obedience of Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One),


Is this done in and by our will power? I mean is it done by our first reading the Bible and then figuring out how to be like and copy Jesus and also figuring out the best way to defeat our flesh while we are in the process? Is that what this verse means when it says we lead every thought and purpose away captive into the obedience of Christ? I used to believe there was no other way to see these verses.

I've thought about this a long time and have read different Bible commentary on the subject. Many men of God have come to the conclusions you and I have on the way to defeat our old flesh tendencies. Get a battle plan ready and implement it each day.

But about a year or so ago I began learning about what righteousness in Christ means and it changed my comprehension of the battle plan and why I was failing all the time to defeat my old "manner of living"

The verse about destroying thoughts that go against the knowledge of God is done by seeing the obedience of Christ and not our own obedience. Focusing our minds on the righteousness of Christ and the way His obedience was counted for our righteousness. We can't obey perfectly the way He did any other way but by faith. And daily learning how to see Gal.2:20 and how it is lived out and what it has to do with 2 Cor.10:5

[SUP]20 [/SUP]I have been crucified with Christ [in Him I have shared His crucifixion]; it is no longer I who live, but Christ (the Messiah) lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in (by adherence to and reliance on and complete trust in) the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

 

[joaniemarie]

Got timed out before finishing the thought. How to defeat our carnal tendencies can't be done by our flesh. It's gotta be done by Gal.2:20 by faith. more later....

 

[Nehemiah6]

Regardless what any of us may believe about pastor Prince's teaching of or ties to WOF; IMO the devotionals that Joaniemarie has been posting have been wholesome and uplifting.

OK, Marc since you have provided this assessment, let's take a closer look at what was said vs what Scripture teaches:

Today, Jews still observe Yom Kippur or the Day of Atonement. As the name suggests, it is a day set aside to make atonement for one’s sins. But for Christians, this beautiful feast points to Jesus and what He did for us on the cross. Because of His sacrifice, all our sins have already been perfectly atoned for. That is why, should we sin, we know that “we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous”. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins.

So far so good.

Now, it does not say that if anyone

repents, we have an Advocate with the Father.

Now we begin with false doctrine. The context of the selected verse in 1 John 1:5-2:6, which is dealing with sin in the believers life. John says if we have no sin we deceive ourselves. Then he says that if we confess our sins God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So the issue now is does confession of sins not imply repentance for those sins, and a turning away from them? So when Prince says "it does not say if anyone repents" is he not lying and misleading his readers?

It says that if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father. The moment a child of God sins, straightaway, his Advocate, Jesus Christ, goes into action to pray for and protect him.

Is that what that Scripture about Christ's advocacy mean, or is Prince not once again teaching false doctrine? When a Christian confesses his sins, it has no meaning unless it includes repentance. And the advocacy of Christ means that He points to His blood, since the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Bible repentance is not this idea of hitting or punishing yourself to atone for your sins.

And neither is it the idea of confessing your sins and then carrying on with them. Since Prince excluded repentance from confession, that is what he is teaching. And nobody in their right mind who teaches Gospel truth talks about "hitting or punishing yourself to atone for your own sins". That is simply a red herring, because he failed to confirm that confession implies repentance, and that is where the advocacy of Christ comes in.

My friend, there is no need to climb the Himalayas or whip your back bloody to atone for your sins.

Another red herring, since no Gospel preacher ever makes such nonsensical suggestions.

No amount of self-punishment or crying can atone for them.

Another red herring, since repentance is not about self-punishment but turning away from sins and idols. WHICH HE DID NOT MENTION EVEN ONCE.

Your sins have already been punished fully in the body of Jesus. Only His finished work satisfies God. So change your mind and simply believe that Jesus alone is the propitiation for your sins!

Here Prince has completely avoided the issue of sin in a believer's life after salvation, and what God expects. We can believe that Christ is indeed the propitiation for our sins, but if we fail do deal with present sins as John tells us to do, that will not mean anything.

So do you now see how Joseph Prince distorts the truth and fails to address the actual issue which is connected with 1 John 2:2.

Here is what the epistle of John teaches us in the first two chapters, and Prince has dodged all of this:

1. God is Light and in Him is no darkness at all -- God will not tolerate sin in the believer's life (1:5)

2. We can claim to be walking in the Light, and yet walk in darkness (1:6)

3. We can have true fellowship with God and other believers only when we walk in the Light (1:7)

4. If we say we have no sin (walk in darkness) we deceive ourselves (1:8)

5. If we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1:9). [Note: this confession implies turning away from those sins and idols, and turning away means repentance.]

6. If we say we have not sinned we make God a liar (1:10)

7. John write all this so that we will not sin, but live righteously, soberly and godly in this present world (2:1)

8. However, we can and will sin (because the flesh is still in us) and if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous (2:1). [Note: This is not an excuse for sinning, but a provision for sin in the believer's life]

9. Christ is the propitiation (satisfactory substitute and sacrifice) for not only our sins, but the sins of the whole world (2:2)

10. The proof that we know God and Christ is that we will keep His commandments (2:3)

11. We are liars if we say we know God but fail to keep His commandments (2:4)

12. When we obey God's Word, God's love is perfected in us, and we then know that we are in Him (2:5)

13. If we say that we are abiding in Christ, then we must walk (or live) as He lived (2:6).

 

[seed_time_harvest]

More spiritual confusion from Joseph Prince. joaniemarie, there is no need to keep posting spiritual nonsense from JP. Either he does not understand, or he deliberately misrepresents Bible truth. Since he has been identified as a false teacher, what you are doing is promoting false doctrine. Now it is up to you to search the Scriptures and discover what he has omitted and what he has deliberately misrepresented.

To know If a person Is In error are not would have to be understood by the Bible because the Bible Is Inerrant,and Pastor Prince seems to be on point but If you can show where he Is In error with scripture It would strengthen us all.

 

[Nehemiah6]

To know If a person Is In error are not would have to be understood by the Bible because the Bible Is Inerrant,and Pastor Prince seems to be on point but If you can show where he Is In error with scripture It would strengthen us all.

Did you simply ignore the rest of my post? I did show from Scripture where Prince is in error (not just here but also in another thread). Please re-read what I have posted.

 

[Desertsrose]

OK, Marc since you have provided this assessment, let's take a closer look at what was said vs what Scripture teaches:


So far so good.

Now we begin with false doctrine. The context of the selected verse in 1 John 1:5-2:6, which is dealing with sin in the believers life. John says if we have no sin we deceive ourselves. Then he says that if we confess our sins God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So the issue now is does confession of sins not imply repentance for those sins, and a turning away from them? So when Prince says "it does not say if anyone repents" is he not lying and misleading his readers?
Is that what that Scripture about Christ's advocacy mean, or is Prince not once again teaching false doctrine? When a Christian confesses his sins, it has no meaning unless it includes repentance. And the advocacy of Christ means that He points to His blood, since the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
And neither is it the idea of confessing your sins and then carrying on with them. Since Prince excluded repentance from confession, that is what he is teaching. And nobody in their right mind who teaches Gospel truth talks about "hitting or punishing yourself to atone for your own sins". That is simply a red herring, because he failed to confirm that confession implies repentance, and that is where the advocacy of Christ comes in.
Another red herring, since no Gospel preacher ever makes such nonsensical suggestions.
Another red herring, since repentance is not about self-punishment but turning away from sins and idols. WHICH HE DID NOT MENTION EVEN ONCE.Here Prince has completely avoided the issue of sin in a believer's life after salvation, and what God expects. We can believe that Christ is indeed the propitiation for our sins, but if we fail do deal with present sins as John tells us to do, that will not mean anything.

So do you now see how Joseph Prince distorts the truth and fails to address the actual issue which is connected with 1 John 2:2.

Here is what the epistle of John teaches us in the first two chapters, and Prince has dodged all of this:

1. God is Light and in Him is no darkness at all -- God will not tolerate sin in the believer's life (1:5)

2. We can claim to be walking in the Light, and yet walk in darkness (1:6)

3. We can have true fellowship with God and other believers only when we walk in the Light (1:7)

4. If we say we have no sin (walk in darkness) we deceive ourselves (1:8)

5. If we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1:9). [Note: this confession implies turning away from those sins and idols, and turning away means repentance.]

6. If we say we have not sinned we make God a liar (1:10)

7. John write all this so that we will not sin, but live righteously, soberly and godly in this present world (2:1)

8. However, we can and will sin (because the flesh is still in us) and if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous (2:1). [Note: This is not an excuse for sinning, but a provision for sin in the believer's life]

9. Christ is the propitiation (satisfactory substitute and sacrifice) for not only our sins, but the sins of the whole world (2:2)

10. The proof that we know God and Christ is that we will keep His commandments (2:3)

11. We are liars if we say we know God but fail to keep His commandments (2:4)

12. When we obey God's Word, God's love is perfected in us, and we then know that we are in Him (2:5)

13. If we say that we are abiding in Christ, then we must walk (or live) as He lived (2:6).

Well said, Nehemiah.

Thanks for posting all of this. The serpent's tongue is crafty and one must look closely at what is really being said and taught and held up to the light of God's word.

He's the father of lies and look at what great damage his lies have done and continue to do in the lives of so many. I'm surprised at those who are easily deceived by Prince's master craftsmanship at scripture twisting.

He uses his same 'ol trickery on us as he did with Eve. The unholy trinity of lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and the pride of life. He uses those interwoven in his words as he crafts his own words and places them right along side the truth. Beware brothers and sisters. Do you not hear the lion roaring seeking to devour you?

 

[joaniemarie]

Oh Good grief you two. First., your long post about what you find wrong about my beliefs is full of false conclusions of the first statements made in this devotional. Then you go on to take apart the thing you already judged wrong that you deducted was being said in the devotional.

You both need to join the ranks of those who don't agree with me and don't post on my threads. Like them., you do not understand what has been shared nor do you care to. Then you further distort the narrative by concluding more conclusions on top of wrong conclusions and then condemn the whole. It just boggles my mind how you have the time and the desire to misunderstand that far. And then take the extra time to post here.

When I began to even think of where to start in helping you understand what is truly being said by me about this devotional I just lose heart to do it. It's been said already thousands of times before and re-written and you just prefer to ignore the facts. You are not interested in knowing. You have made your judgment about me. And now I have no desire to set you straight. I truly think you don't want to know and prefer to stay where you are in your false assessment.

When I post these devotionals., they are a very helpful spring board to some very good topics of concern and encouragement about walking the Christian walk. The things I take the time to post are close to my heart about the faith walk and learning about who we are in Christ. I frankly don't understand the opposition. But can't let that stop me from sharing the things the Lord puts on my heart here.

Why don't you guys who dislike these threads so much start your own threads about righteousness and the Christian walk and how you have discovered through reading the Bible and from other Godly men and woman the best way to encourage the brethren here. Post devotionals from those believers who have helped you and cause you to think. That would be a much better way to spend your time here.

 

[FlSnookman7]

Well said, Nehemiah.

Thanks for posting all of this. The serpent's tongue is crafty and one must look closely at what is really being said and taught and held up to the light of God's word.

He's the father of lies and look at what great damage his lies have done and continue to do in the lives of so many. I'm surprised at those who are easily deceived by Prince's master craftsmanship at scripture twisting.

He uses his same 'ol trickery on us as he did with Eve. The unholy trinity of lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and the pride of life. He uses those interwoven in his words as he crafts his own words and places them right along side the truth. Beware brothers and sisters. Do you not hear the lion roaring seeking to devour you?

For one who likes to search out any perceived error when anyone speaks of the Word I am surprised by this post. That "lion" you hear is NOT the enemy who the bible says is LIKE a lion but rather it is my Lord and Savior Jesus the Lion of Judah roaring and begging you to trust Him and His finished work on the cross!

 

[FlSnookman7]

For one who likes to search out any perceived error when anyone speaks of the Word I am surprised by this post. That "lion" you hear is NOT the enemy who the bible says is LIKE a lion but rather it is my Lord and Savior Jesus the Lion of Judah roaring and begging you to trust Him and His finished work on the cross!

( a little humor in the morning, please do not be offended)

 

[Desertsrose]

Hi Joanie,

I will post within the text so it will be easier.

Oh Good grief you two. First., your long post about what you find wrong about my beliefs is full of false conclusions of the first statements made in this devotional. Then you go on to take apart the thing you already judged wrong that you deducted was being said in the devotional.

I realize you are speaking to Nehemiah here, but you included me so I'll respond. If there is something that he said you don't agree with why not take them point by point as he laid them out. You can refute each thing he said with scripture if your conclusions are correct.

That's what a discussion forum is. Someone presents something as they see it and hopefully it's biblical, or they ask a question and others may offer answers. Another person comes along and shares their views as they see them and of course there will always be disagreements.

I'm sorry if what I said seems harsh, but I just studied in 2 Peter and chapter 2 talks all about the enemy who comes in among God's people to deceive and to bring in destructive heresies. And it really is the ministry of the saints to expose false doctrine.

You both need to join the ranks of those who don't agree with me and don't post on my threads. Like them., you do not understand what has been shared nor do you care to. Then you further distort the narrative by concluding more conclusions on top of wrong conclusions and then condemn the whole. It just boggles my mind how you have the time and the desire to misunderstand that far. And then take the extra time to post here.

Actually Joanie, I do realize we don't agree on doctrine, but to be honest, I almost never even read your posts anymore. They are very difficult to read because of the font and the italics. These old eyes just aren't what they use to be.

I'm not here to argue with you or to disagree with your beliefs, I'm here to refute Prince's false teachings. You begin your thread with his devotional and I know you don't agree, but he IS a false teacher.

He may get some things right, but that's the danger of the false teacher. He presents truth, but then he presents his false teaching right along side of some truth. The truth is then clouded and the false teaching is enhanced so that the person remembers not the truth, but instead the false teaching. That's their MO.

When I began to even think of where to start in helping you understand what is truly being said by me about this devotional I just lose heart to do it. It's been said already thousands of times before and re-written and you just prefer to ignore the facts. You are not interested in knowing. You have made your judgment about me. And now I have no desire to set you straight. I truly think you don't want to know and prefer to stay where you are in your false assessment.

Again, it has nothing to do with you. It has everything to do with refuting a false teacher. So if you are in agreement with his teachings than sure, I guess I'm refuting you as well, but it's not a personal attack. I can honestly say that in my heart I hold no ill will toward you.

Instead, I'm saddened to see people deceived by false teachers and hope that they will see the truth from the error of what's being taught. So if you desire to continue to post false teaching, there will always be those who will refute what's being said. We must. We're commanded to do so.

When I post these devotionals., they are a very helpful spring board to some very good topics of concern and encouragement about walking the Christian walk. The things I take the time to post are close to my heart about the faith walk and learning about who we are in Christ. I frankly don't understand the opposition. But can't let that stop me from sharing the things the Lord puts on my heart here.

Again, this isn't in opposition to you or your walk with God. You might spring board and others might join in, but when I post, it's in direct contact with the OP which happens to be a devotional by Joseph Prince. So it's in opposition to lies and false teachings from Prince. I'm not reading your posts, so I don't even know what you're saying most of the time.

Why don't you guys who dislike these threads so much start your own threads about righteousness and the Christian walk and how you have discovered through reading the Bible and from other Godly men and woman the best way to encourage the brethren here. Post devotionals from those believers who have helped you and cause you to think. That would be a much better way to spend your time here.

In case you haven't noticed, your suggestion is already ongoing each and every day. The forum is for discussion and if false teachings are being brought into the forum, there will always be those who will hold to the truth and will desire to post to expose the false teaching.

And I realize how discouraging this may be for you. I also feel discouraged when others don't agree with how I believe or agree with the experiences I have with the Lord. So I take that discouragement to the Lord and allow His truth to bring encouragement to me.

Joaniemarie, I don't hate you and I wish you well. I pray for all of CC and pray that we all stay on the strait and narrow path that leads to life eternal. For those who haven't even begun on the strait and narrow, I pray that they come to know the Lord. And for those whom I believe are being deceived, I pray that scales will fall from their eyes and that they will see the truth clearly and not be deceived by the enemy.

And just so you know, I've been in WOF churches for a lot of my walk with the Lord. I've seen and I've been a part of the false teachings of the WOF. So I know and understand where you are coming from. For that reason, I'm probably more sensitive and I'm not about to follow the WOF doctrines that are lies from the evil one anymore.

So when I see a devotional like Princes, I feel compelled by love for God and love for others to expose his false teaching. His lies must be exposed.

And I am also compelled to save those that can be saved from being snatched up by false teachers. And those who are already in his grasp, my heart is saddened and touched and out of love for them I want to expose satan's lies.

So I hope in the future, if some say something opposed to your belief, that you will see that those who oppose you must do so.......just as you may oppose the opposite view.