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If he takes away your free will to return to unbelief and he purposely created you to only be able to accept that outcome then he has created a robot, plain and simple. Besides the Bible warns us what will happen if we return to unbelief. But all of you insist he wasted his breath in those words because it is impossible for the believer to stop believing.
The repetition of PHarts false works gospel and his "stop believing" obsession is asinine to ad nauseam.
As He was saying these things, many believed on Him. - John 8:30
Now, in the above verse phart would have these people saved because they believed, then lost in the following passages, by his teachings.
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” - John 8:31-32
A true believer never stops believing which means abiding in his word. Jesus here then describes the difference between a true believer, and the false, and makes the distinction. The "believers" above were not true believers, they were not converted, which is witnessed in further reading of the text.
As He was saying these things, many believed on Him. - John 8:30
Now, in the above verse phart would have these people saved because they believed, then lost in the following passages, by his teachings.
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” - John 8:31-32
A true believer never stops believing which means abiding in his word. Jesus here then describes the difference between a true believer, and the false, and makes the distinction. The "believers" above were not true believers, they were not converted, which is witnessed in further reading of the text.
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..."through faith". You keep leaving the 'through faith' part off. And you should be AGREEING with me about this if you are so sure the true believer will always believe and can't stop believing. In your doctrine, by virtue of being a true believer he can not stop believing. THAT MAKES CONTINUED BELIEVING REQUIRED, lol.
I've been saying all along, believing is only the way we access the power of God that keeps us until the Day of Salvation. The power is not in the believing. The power is in what the believing lays hold of. But that hardly means you don't have to continue to believe, lol. And as I'm pointing out, YOU AGREE, but you don't realize it: You insist that the true believer will always and without exception continue to believe or else he's not a real believer. THAT'S MAKES BELIEVING TO THE VERY END REQUIRED.
Why do you keep mixing up the believing, that even you agree must continue to the end (or else you're not a real believer) with work? Believing is the exact thing that is opposed to work in justification/salvation. We're talking about believing to access justification here, not works.
God does not do our believing for us. God does not MAKE us believe. He gives the faith to believe, but he does not do our believing for us. We are not robots.
I've been saying all along, believing is only the way we access the power of God that keeps us until the Day of Salvation. The power is not in the believing. The power is in what the believing lays hold of. But that hardly means you don't have to continue to believe, lol. And as I'm pointing out, YOU AGREE, but you don't realize it: You insist that the true believer will always and without exception continue to believe or else he's not a real believer. THAT'S MAKES BELIEVING TO THE VERY END REQUIRED.
Why do you keep mixing up the believing, that even you agree must continue to the end (or else you're not a real believer) with work? Believing is the exact thing that is opposed to work in justification/salvation. We're talking about believing to access justification here, not works.
God does not do our believing for us. God does not MAKE us believe. He gives the faith to believe, but he does not do our believing for us. We are not robots.
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The sealing of the Spirit: Ephesians 1:13-14 , 2 Corinthians 1:21-22.
See Ezekiel 9:3-6 for an understanding of the role of the seal in the protection against God's Judgment.
Loss of the protection of the seal and a return to the Judgment of the wicked: Hebrews 10:10,14,26-31.
Get ready for all the 'not really' doctrines about to be unleashed, lol.
See Ezekiel 9:3-6 for an understanding of the role of the seal in the protection against God's Judgment.
Loss of the protection of the seal and a return to the Judgment of the wicked: Hebrews 10:10,14,26-31.
Get ready for all the 'not really' doctrines about to be unleashed, lol.
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13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise 14 who[a] is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Yep, just as I thought, the word "IF" is not found. Nice try.
No, it is based on our acceptance of gods gift. It is not conditional on anything, Saying it is conditioned on something makes it earned.
Your the brainwashed one my friend, You think just because you use the word believe and not works, it makes your self righteous gospel believable and acceptable. It will fail, as will you.
And your right, he did tell us, UNTIL THE DAY OF REDEMPTION. Not UNTIL WE STOP BELIEVING.
Nice try..
God does not contradict himself. He does not tell one group of people one thing, then another group another. He is always the same, yesterday today and tomorrow.
When he tells a group of people they are sealed til the day of redemption the MOMENT they have faith in him, and this continues. He means it.
Nope. Again your putting words in my mouth, Your slander is evil my friend, you should stop! Again, if eternal life was dependent on believing, John would have said so. He did not. So again, Listen to him, not whatever teacher you have been listening to.
lol.. Nice try man, Nice try,, Hard hearted is what you are.
God says our hope is eternal life and his promise
You state our hope is to continue believing
Your taking what GOD calls our hope and destroying them..
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Charity,love in action,is greater than faith.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
Paul said without charity we are nothing.Which we have to love all people,and cannot hate one person,even our enemies.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Faith works by love,for everything stems from love,for it is greater than faith.
It is not faith alone,it is love alone.
No love,no faith.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
We are saved by grace through faith,so we have to have the right perspective of faith before grace can apply.
Charity,love in action,is greater than faith,and everything stems from love,and it is not faith alone,it is love alone.
We must have the right perspective of love,for faith to apply,for grace to apply.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Love is the fulfilling of the law,not faith.
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
Love does not think an evil thought,and does not sin by the Spirit,for it rejoices in the truth,and does not rejoice in iniquity,and is not selfish,and not arrogant.
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
The love of money is the root of all evil for it violates the 2 greatest laws,love God,and love people,and if you love people you love God,and the love of money neglects the poor and needy,which is what it is all about,for love is the fulfilling of the law.
Paul said if we do not have charity,then we err from the faith.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
James said if we do not have charity,then our faith is dead.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
John said if we do not have charity then the love of God does not dwell in us.
Because charity,love in action,is greater than faith,for everything stems from love,and it is not faith alone,but it is love alone,and love is the fulfilling of the law,not faith is the fulfilling of the law.
If we do not have the right perspective of love,then faith does not apply,then grace does not apply.
Love does not think an evil thought,and does not sin by the Spirit,for love rejoices in the truth,and does not rejoice in iniquity,and only goes by their needs,and not wants,and to help the poor and needy.
We follow the 2 greatest commandments,love God,do not sin by the Spirit,and love people,do no harm to them and help them with their needs.
If a person lacks then their faith does not apply.
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
These people lacked love,lacked being led of the Spirit,and their works suffered,and Jesus told them to repent.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this SEAL, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
That is the seal that seals the deal,that they depart from iniquity,for to hold unto sin is not love,then faith does not apply.
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
To hold unto sin is to not love,and to go by your wants,and neglect the poor and needy is not love,then faith would not apply.
For charity,love in action,is greater than faith,and this is not a part time deal,but all the time,and not love a select few,but love all people,and if you hate even one person than faith is void.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
If a person holds unto sin then the sacrifice of Jesus cannot wash it away,for God will not take away what you keep,and it will be on their record.
Gal 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
Whatever a person sows that is what they shall reap.Do not be deceived.
I do not know how they can rightfully say we cannot abstain from sin,when by the Spirit we can abstain from sin,and sin does not affect our relationship with God,when it does.
So why do they say that.Is it because they want an excuse for their sins,so they can enjoy them,and believe they are alright,and they know of the hypocrisy of people that say faith alone,and do not want any bad image on them that they are not right,so they say sin does not affect their relationship with God.And also they do not like that they can fall away,so they ignore abstain from sin,faith alone,so they can enjoy the sins,and then say they cannot fall.
For we see it,and witness it,and hear of it,how many people that believe in faith alone,believe in the prosperity Gospel,loving money,and material things,going by their wants,taking vacations,and cruises,while people are starving,and enjoying fleshy pleasures,but think they are alright with God.
But that is not love,then there is no faith.
They cannot deny it for I observe it,and they have this behavior on a daily basis.
So this only applies to who it applies to,but I do not want to hear it when they say faith alone,and they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,for if they are holding unto sin then that is not love,and faith is dead.
What seals the deal is they depart from iniquity,for if they hold unto sin then the sacrifice of Jesus cannot wash it away,and it is on their record.
God is not mocked,whatever a person sows that is what they shall reap.
Jesus said whatever is in the heart is what comes out,for it is our thoughts,and actions,that define who we are,but some say they are clean at all times,but if they hold unto sin,then that is what is in their heart,then how are they clean at all times.
Charity,love in action,is greater than faith.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
Paul said without charity we are nothing.Which we have to love all people,and cannot hate one person,even our enemies.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Faith works by love,for everything stems from love,for it is greater than faith.
It is not faith alone,it is love alone.
No love,no faith.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
We are saved by grace through faith,so we have to have the right perspective of faith before grace can apply.
Charity,love in action,is greater than faith,and everything stems from love,and it is not faith alone,it is love alone.
We must have the right perspective of love,for faith to apply,for grace to apply.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Love is the fulfilling of the law,not faith.
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
Love does not think an evil thought,and does not sin by the Spirit,for it rejoices in the truth,and does not rejoice in iniquity,and is not selfish,and not arrogant.
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
The love of money is the root of all evil for it violates the 2 greatest laws,love God,and love people,and if you love people you love God,and the love of money neglects the poor and needy,which is what it is all about,for love is the fulfilling of the law.
Paul said if we do not have charity,then we err from the faith.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
James said if we do not have charity,then our faith is dead.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
John said if we do not have charity then the love of God does not dwell in us.
Because charity,love in action,is greater than faith,for everything stems from love,and it is not faith alone,but it is love alone,and love is the fulfilling of the law,not faith is the fulfilling of the law.
If we do not have the right perspective of love,then faith does not apply,then grace does not apply.
Love does not think an evil thought,and does not sin by the Spirit,for love rejoices in the truth,and does not rejoice in iniquity,and only goes by their needs,and not wants,and to help the poor and needy.
We follow the 2 greatest commandments,love God,do not sin by the Spirit,and love people,do no harm to them and help them with their needs.
If a person lacks then their faith does not apply.
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
These people lacked love,lacked being led of the Spirit,and their works suffered,and Jesus told them to repent.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this SEAL, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
That is the seal that seals the deal,that they depart from iniquity,for to hold unto sin is not love,then faith does not apply.
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
To hold unto sin is to not love,and to go by your wants,and neglect the poor and needy is not love,then faith would not apply.
For charity,love in action,is greater than faith,and this is not a part time deal,but all the time,and not love a select few,but love all people,and if you hate even one person than faith is void.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
If a person holds unto sin then the sacrifice of Jesus cannot wash it away,for God will not take away what you keep,and it will be on their record.
Gal 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
Whatever a person sows that is what they shall reap.Do not be deceived.
I do not know how they can rightfully say we cannot abstain from sin,when by the Spirit we can abstain from sin,and sin does not affect our relationship with God,when it does.
So why do they say that.Is it because they want an excuse for their sins,so they can enjoy them,and believe they are alright,and they know of the hypocrisy of people that say faith alone,and do not want any bad image on them that they are not right,so they say sin does not affect their relationship with God.And also they do not like that they can fall away,so they ignore abstain from sin,faith alone,so they can enjoy the sins,and then say they cannot fall.
For we see it,and witness it,and hear of it,how many people that believe in faith alone,believe in the prosperity Gospel,loving money,and material things,going by their wants,taking vacations,and cruises,while people are starving,and enjoying fleshy pleasures,but think they are alright with God.
But that is not love,then there is no faith.
They cannot deny it for I observe it,and they have this behavior on a daily basis.
So this only applies to who it applies to,but I do not want to hear it when they say faith alone,and they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,for if they are holding unto sin then that is not love,and faith is dead.
What seals the deal is they depart from iniquity,for if they hold unto sin then the sacrifice of Jesus cannot wash it away,and it is on their record.
God is not mocked,whatever a person sows that is what they shall reap.
Jesus said whatever is in the heart is what comes out,for it is our thoughts,and actions,that define who we are,but some say they are clean at all times,but if they hold unto sin,then that is what is in their heart,then how are they clean at all times.
You are putting a condition on abiding in Him. To remain in belief. Initially we believe the gospel message, but God proves Himself to us as true when giving us Holy Spirit. Then we experience His faithfulness in many different ways. These things are stepping stones that we can look back on when we go through the trials of life. The thing is Phart, we don't go through life alone.
I havent read much about this in your posts.
He promises to finish the work He started when He drew us to Himself.
Now, if you think that it was you seeking God in the beginning, I can see why you might think you need to do something to "hold on".
But, is this true?
All that the Father gives me, will come to me. And he that comes to me, I will in no wise cast out.
He gives us all we need according to life and godliness.
When we understand that complete salvation is given freely through the Cross, and completed in His resurrection and ascension to a heavenly throne with Father, and He calls us to sit down with Him in heavenly realms, our love is ignited for all this has been freely given. No strings attached or laws to struggle under. Freedom to live a supernatural walk in a natural world. As the victor placed in the Victorious One.
Then our desires are His desires, and that is the same as Fathers desires. To save His creation. The ministry of reconciling the world back to God.
The commandments of loving God with our all, and loving others as ourselves becomes our nature. Which has never been before on earth. The new Genesis of Spiritual children of God.
All the pieces of the puzzle of life start making sense.
David screwed up many times. But, when a shepherd guarding sheep, he learned the protection of God while guarding them. He believed the history of his ancestors, and called on his God for help, culminating in victory over the giant.
Knowing God never fails creates that burning love....even though he did many times, he still trusted Him and remained in love with God.
We have the greater than David within.
I havent read much about this in your posts.
He promises to finish the work He started when He drew us to Himself.
Now, if you think that it was you seeking God in the beginning, I can see why you might think you need to do something to "hold on".
But, is this true?
All that the Father gives me, will come to me. And he that comes to me, I will in no wise cast out.
He gives us all we need according to life and godliness.
When we understand that complete salvation is given freely through the Cross, and completed in His resurrection and ascension to a heavenly throne with Father, and He calls us to sit down with Him in heavenly realms, our love is ignited for all this has been freely given. No strings attached or laws to struggle under. Freedom to live a supernatural walk in a natural world. As the victor placed in the Victorious One.
Then our desires are His desires, and that is the same as Fathers desires. To save His creation. The ministry of reconciling the world back to God.
The commandments of loving God with our all, and loving others as ourselves becomes our nature. Which has never been before on earth. The new Genesis of Spiritual children of God.
All the pieces of the puzzle of life start making sense.
David screwed up many times. But, when a shepherd guarding sheep, he learned the protection of God while guarding them. He believed the history of his ancestors, and called on his God for help, culminating in victory over the giant.
Knowing God never fails creates that burning love....even though he did many times, he still trusted Him and remained in love with God.
We have the greater than David within.
