Sabbath

[valiant]

Shabbat comes from שנ̇ט which came fro שנהץ.

Why should sbth come from snt and from snh'? In Hebrew you are talking nonsense.

Now I have only read through the Old and New Testaments one time in Hebrew, and my typing in Hebrew is a little rusty, so I will transliterate for you, the expert in Hebrew.

The New Testament was written in GREEK.

Shabbat comes from Sheva or seventh. It came to mean rest long after its first mention.

Absolute nonsense. You are all mixed up. It explains everything LOL

 

[valiant]

I am failing to understand you...that's for sure ...and as for Paul...what I do understand of his writings is 1Cor 11v1 'follow me as I follow Christ...so I look to Christ ! can't go wrong !

Paul followed Christ and Christ therefore obviously said 'one person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.'

 

[JaumeJ]

You are displlaying what you do not know with a bright light.

Do you read teh Bible? Is it in English? I read it in several languages, including in the past Hebrew.

As for the etymologies of the words you have incorrectly explained, you will have to go to sources you trust sinc eit is obvious you are not going to listen to anyone but yourself.

Why should sbth come from snt and from snh'? In Hebrew you are talking nonsense.



The New Testament was written in GREEK.



Absolute nonsense. You are all mixed up. It explains everything LOL

 

[JaumeJ]

It is certain anyone who truly learns of Jesus is passing on what they have lerned but your manner of reason is confusing for any people who are not familiar with the writings attributed to Paul.

It is Paul who wrote down these lessonns.....from whom all who learn it, unless first of the Hoy Spirit, do learn also.

Are you trolling or are you somehow serious in your posting? You do not make much sense when you speak of etymologies, Hebrew, Paul, Jesus......... May God bless you with reason fro Him by His Holy Spirit.

Paul followed Christ and Christ therefore obviously said 'one person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.'

 

[Studyman]

Paul followed Christ and Christ therefore obviously said 'one person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.'

Given what is written about man, why should I build my doctrine around what one guys says, or another guys says who are weak in the Faith? We either believe the God of the Bible and His Word's or we don't. Don't we all have to be convinced in our own mind?

Was Abraham weak in Faith? Of course not.


Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


Rom. 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law,(Those cleansed by the Levitical Priesthood Abraham didn't have) but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,


Paul Followed Christ, Christ followed God. There is one God, one faith, Abraham had that faith as it is written. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind.

 

[trofimus]

Sorry friend but you mentioned the jewish thing in your other post and I was just answering to it.

What do you mean WHY ?

Isn't the 7th day rooted and founded in time itself and sanctified and hallowed by God as special to Him right at the beginning of creation...and as far as I can see is still here with us today !
True...God said to Israel to remember it...
obviously if they had forgotten it so had everybody else...but God did not tell everybody to remember it because He was working with Israel only because of Abraham's faithfulness....
and Israel was to become God's special people and an example to other nations Deut 4. God was drawing people into His work to make them part of what He was doing...since all like sheep had gone astray and were living 'as they pleased Gen 6v5...
that was never God's intention for mankind...we were created to be 'in HIS image ! and God started with Israel...
but they failed to respond to His teaching (see a little insight into their failures in 2Kgs ch 17, makes interesting reading).
Anyway old Israel failed in doing what God wanted and we read in Heb 8 that there was a fault with the people why they broke the first covenant.....thing was they lacked GOD's Power to help them keep His commandments....
but fast forward ! today 'spiritual Israel has GOD's Power in them to help do His work of saving people from death and total annihilation.

Sorry this went on a bit...tried to make it short and without a little back-ground info it is hard to make sense of anything...but you asked, and I'm trying to help.

Israel is an old story. For 2000 years we have a new covenant, without nationalism.

And in this covenant it is said that Sabbath was only a shadow of reality in Christ and that we should not let anyone judge us for not observing it.

So, who is wrong, you or the apostle Paul?

 

[JaumeJ]

Your are so right. Now my participation here is soley to any who try to say the Seventh day named and hallowed by God is now the first day, and also who are sying because I believe this I am under the law.

I have posted that if any choose to observe the sabbath on the first day and they are good with it in the sight of God, no harm no foul, but do not insist the cited things above are true just becaue you are not worshipping with those who believe what God said and did in the Old Testament.....after all for a hundred years after Christ ascended people only had the writings of the Old Testament in their assemblies.

Israel is an old story. For 2000 years we have a new covenant, without nationalism.

And in this covenant it is said that Sabbath was only a shadow of reality in Christ and that we should not let anyone judge us for not observing it.

So, who is wrong, you or the apostle Paul?

 

[trofimus]

Your are so right. Now my participation here is soley to any who try to say the Seventh day named and hallowed by God is now the first day, and also who are sying because I believe this I am under the law.

I have posted that if any choose to observe the sabbath on the first day and they are good with it in the sight of God, no harm no foul, but do not insist the cited things above are true just becaue you are not worshipping with those who believe what God said and did in the Old Testament.....after all for a hundred years after Christ ascended people only had the writings of the Old Testament in their assemblies.

They had OT writings, but also living apostles and thousands of Jesus´s witnesses.

What the apostles taught by letters was later put together to one volume called the New Testament. That does not mean that they believed differently before the volume was set.

 

[JaumeJ]

Wow, thanks for letting me know. You must be quite the scholar.........God bless you.

They had OT writings, but also living apostles and thousands of Jesus´s witnesses.

What the apostles taught by letters was later put together to one volume called the New Testament. That does not mean that they believed differently before the volume was set.

 

[beta]

Paul followed Christ and Christ therefore obviously said 'one person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.'

That would be in total contradiction to other scriptures that say He keeps His Fathers commandments..neither is that scripture in red as are others He DOES say...stop perverting the Word !

 

[beta]

Israel is an old story. For 2000 years we have a new covenant, without nationalism.

And in this covenant it is said that Sabbath was only a shadow of reality in Christ and that we should not let anyone judge us for not observing it.

So, who is wrong, you or the apostle Paul?

Seems you are not interested in building on sure foundation...your loss.

I don't think God will ask your permission to judge you.
I could give you a wonderful analogy re shadows and reality...but it would be lost on you...so I won't bother. God bless.

 

[trofimus]

Seems you are not interested in building on sure foundation...your loss.

I don't think God will ask your permission to judge you.
I could give you a wonderful analogy re shadows and reality...but it would be lost on you...so I won't bother. God bless.

Apostle Paul said clearly that nobody can judge us because of Sabbath, it was only a temporal shadow. Reality is in Christ, in the New Covenant.

If you build your life on the old covenant, your foundation us very unsure.

When Christ, Moses and Eliah were together, God said - this is my son, listen to HIM.

 

[JohnTalmid]

Hi JohnTalmid,

This is an interesting statement:



The sins of God's people has been taken away. The scapegoat was symbolical of what Christ accomplished once and for all. It is not up to Azazel. It is God's work of salvation, God Himself made the sacrifice.

"Heb 10:12 - But our High Priest offered himself to God as a single sacrifice for sins, good for all time. Then he sat down in the place of honor at God's right hand. The scapegoat was symbolical of what Christ accomplished once and for all.

You do not have the gospel my friend. Remember what scripture says:

"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."

It does not say:

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, and he is awaiting for Azazel to place the Christians sin on him.

What you are teaching is dangerous for it is not the gospel. But you already know this!

By you I have a scapegoat, or by your understanding of what the. Word says. Did not Messiah Yahshua come in the name of YHWH? He would have been the fulfilment of the goat to YHWH who was sacrificed and his blood is the renewed covenant. Azazel which is a goat demon who was covered with darkness, sharp rocks, and chained up for the judgment of man now. So when you read of it in Relation when we see this one in the pit you should know it has not yet been brought to fulfillment.

You call this a dangerous teaching? Maybe you should study more. Because these two goats are in part a shadow, not that their sacrifice didn't cleanse the congregation of Israel which did them, however Messiah's sacrifice is far greater because it has the power to change the very heart of the man.

 

[beta]

Paul followed Christ and Christ therefore obviously said 'one person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.'

And that was not an instruction to do the same...it was simply a statement Paul made that that was what people did. His advice was to 'follow him as he followed Christ...that was his true instruction to the people then and to us today !
If they were being instructed by GOD on the Sabbath as they should be they would have learnt to read by now...but alas..they blunder on in ignorance.

 

[Studyman]

Israel is an old story. For 2000 years we have a new covenant, without nationalism.

And in this covenant it is said that Sabbath was only a shadow of reality in Christ and that we should not let anyone judge us for not observing it.

So, who is wrong, you or the apostle Paul?

The Sabbath is a shadow of the 1000 year reign which has not happened yet. The Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sin "Until the Seed should come" as Paul says was a shadow of the sacrifice Jesus has already made. So Paul is right about the Levitical Priesthood so he taught salvation "without works of the Law". But he continued, as did all the Apostles, to observe God's Sabbath that Jesus created for them throughout the entire Bible. And encouraged the New Converts to learn from Moses in Acts 15, just like Jesus instructed them to do in Matt. 23.

So Paul is right no doubt. And I believe him. But you seem to be confused.

 

[valiant]

The way to overcome this problem is to read and study GOD's Word and is more beneficial than hearing it 'second-hand from a man who himself is not yet perfect. It is a sad fact that like any human organization even sabbath-keeping churches are not immune from human influence - but at least observe the day, which is better than rejecting it....seeing it is holy through God's presence.

No day is holy except as we see it holy. To some all days are holy. Others choose a special day.

How do we know what is the seventh day? We have no way of telling. That is why we choose what day is to be holy.

 

[PS]

Jesus said: "For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day." (Mat 12:8 KJV)

Why not worship the Lord of the Sabbath every day?

 

[beta]

Apostle Paul said clearly that nobody can judge us because of Sabbath, it was only a temporal shadow. Reality is in Christ, in the New Covenant.

If you build your life on the old covenant, your foundation us very unsure.

When Christ, Moses and Eliah were together, God said - this is my son, listen to HIM.

Friend we are DISCUSSING..not sitting in Judgement...it is obvious we'll quote scriptures spoken by Christ when we are His followers...and it is HE who judges you if you but only knew it !
What am I saying that Jesus/Yahshua is not saying ? You obviously feel judged...isn't that telling you something ? being natural and human you only see ME as the Judge.
So all these discussions are a bit pointless if they don't teach people anything !

 

[valiant]

The Sabbath is a shadow of the 1000 year reign which has not happened yet.

And will never happen.

The Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sin "Until the Seed should come" as Paul says was a shadow of the sacrifice Jesus has already made. So Paul is right about the Levitical Priesthood so he taught salvation "without works of the Law". But he continued, as did all the Apostles, to observe God's Sabbath that Jesus created for them throughout the entire Bible. And encouraged the New Converts to learn from Moses in Acts 15, just like Jesus instructed them to do in Matt. 23.

He just forgot to tell us to do the same LOL you had best Study God

 

[beta]

Jesus said: "For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day." (Mat 12:8 KJV)

Why not worship the Lord of the Sabbath every day?

We can...but Sabbath is holy and instituted by GOD...we just follow and obey...as did Yahshua ! even HE was obedient to His Father.