theistic evolution - don't try this at home

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There’s young-earth creationists and there’s die hard evolutionists. Then there’s theistic evolutionists who try to have their cake and eat it too. They think you can believe in two contradictory things at once. I’ve read a bit of TE and I’ve come to the conclusion that you can’t and that in the end Biblical Christianity suffers.
I did an article for my Wordpress site (see signature below) critiquing some of the TE writers I knew and I didn’t find any good way anybody can link the two. Actually, TEists were quite willing to allow fundamental Christian beliefs to suffer in order to prop up belief in evolution.

In particular, biologist Kenneth Miller, a prolific writer willing to put the blinders on, was asked, Doulos, a Christian magazine, and republished at the godofevolution web site, was asked if he believed that evolution was guided by God or by random processes God created. Miller’s answer to both questions was “no.” In that case there really is nothing for God to do. His answer was that the most satisfying view of God is that God is the master of everything, including nature. However, the Biblical God who creates is not the God Miller believes in. The god Miller believes in is a god who does nothing.

Evolutionist Stephen Gould tried to combine evolution with creation and ended up arguing that evolution falls under science whereas the net of religion, he says, extends over questions of meaning or value. Apparently to Gould creationists don’t make or can’t make any arguments about what is true in the world as in, say, what happened in the ancient past.

Sometimes, TEists “discover” that some things that fall within the realm of evolution are explained very well if you graft creationist arguments onto them. Either way, the “facts” of evolution are taken as a given and creationists ideas are used to prop them up. He finds, amazingly, that the existence of evil is better explained by an evolving universe and ongoing creation. Apparently he thinks God didn’t finish His work in 6 days contrary to what the Bible says.


So if you really care about your Christian faith, don’t embrace this belief system. Your faith will end up suffering.
 

JairCrawford

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Ironically, it was entertaining the possibility of theistic evolution back in 2007 that ended up being one of the factors that greatly strengthened my faith.

I don't really know where my mind stands in the issue now, but I can tell you it doesn't bother me.

God could have created the universe in six literal days if He wanted to. God also could have inspired the writings of the creation account in Genesis to be a spiritual allegory. What is the big deal here? Either way, He creates everything and the Bible is still God's Word.
 
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yeah thats like mixing oil and water.

evolution is dumb and untrue.
everything produces after its kind says God. He should know, He created this
 

Dino246

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All core Christian doctrines have their roots in Genesis 1-11. If you start trying to allegorize or spiritualize those chapters, you start tossing out important parts of the faith. The only reason that I have seen for people to embrace TE is that they believe evolution over Scripture.

I was going to write, "science over Scripture" but evolution isn't scientific. It's speculative.
 

Innerfire89

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It's pretty clear cut, man dies because of sin, nothing else. Then God's elect raise from the dead through life in Christ.
 

Innerfire89

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Ironically, it was entertaining the possibility of theistic evolution back in 2007 that ended up being one of the factors that greatly strengthened my faith.

I don't really know where my mind stands in the issue now, but I can tell you it doesn't bother me.

God could have created the universe in six literal days if He wanted to. God also could have inspired the writings of the creation account in Genesis to be a spiritual allegory. What is the big deal here? Either way, He creates everything and the Bible is still God's Word.
How much of Scripture are you willing to do that with? And why?

If man came from evolution which is fueled by death, than the wages of sin aren't really death. And if the wages of sin aren't death than why would Christ die for our sins for us to raise again?

There's really no good reason not to believe in a literal six day creation, the flood, the parting of the red sea or anything eles found in Scripture. Science backs up a literal six day creation, the human body has twenty something of the same base elements as soil, man was formed from the ground just like Scripture tells us, along with many other scientific facts.

Now don't get me wrong here, I'm not trying to give you a hard time or anything, I'm just trying to give you some information that might lead you to truth.
 

Sagart

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yeah thats like mixing oil and water.

evolution is dumb and untrue.
everything produces after its kind says God. He should know, He created this
Is there anything more “dumb” than a Christian insulting that which he knows nothing about? Perhaps there is—like posting about evolution in a Bible discussion forum rather than a science forum!
 

Sagart

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All core Christian doctrines have their roots in Genesis 1-11. If you start trying to allegorize or spiritualize those chapters, you start tossing out important parts of the faith.
No one with even a basic understanding of Gen.1-11 would attempt to allegorize or spiritualize those chapters. Most scholars of Genesis today believe that Gen.1-11 is a collection of severely redacted epic tales, sagas, myths, or legends.

The only reason that I have seen for people to embrace TE is that they believe evolution over Scripture.
Believing in evolution over Scripture does not make sense because the two are not mutually exclusive.

I was going to write, "science over Scripture" but evolution isn't scientific. It's speculative.
Religion is not scientific, but the theory of evolution is. Saying that it is not, is advertising one’s ignorance.
 

trofimus

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Actually, you can try it at home :)

Take antibiotics as you probably sometimes do and support the evolution of bacterias.
 
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pckts

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Is there anything more “dumb” than a Christian insulting that which he knows nothing about? Perhaps there is—like posting about evolution in a Bible discussion forum rather than a science forum!
If a Christian knows the Truth of creation and/or has faith in the scripture, we can insult the lie of evolution because we know more than enough about it.



If you are rearranging or denying column A or are elevating column b over Column A, you are having a faith issue and a deception issue.
 
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No one with even a basic understanding of Gen.1-11 would attempt to allegorize or spiritualize those chapters. Most scholars of Genesis today believe that Gen.1-11 is a collection of severely redacted epic tales, sagas, myths, or legends.
I'm too tired to understand the meaning of this.

Believing in evolution over Scripture does not make sense because the two are not mutually exclusive.
The Truth is exclusive.


Religion is not scientific, but the theory of evolution is. Saying that it is not, is advertising one’s ignorance.
The Truth is scientific.
 

trofimus

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If a Christian knows the Truth of creation and/or has faith in the scripture, we can insult the lie of evolution because we know more than enough about it.



If you are rearranging or denying column A or are elevating column b over Column A, you are having a faith issue and a deception issue.
There are errors in both columns. You should get more precise data.

Also, half of the list is not even related to biological evolution.
 
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maxwel

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Is there anything more “dumb” than a Christian insulting that which he knows nothing about? Perhaps there is—like posting about evolution in a Bible discussion forum rather than a science forum![/QUOTE]



YOU are actually going to insult the members of this forum for freely discussing whatever they like?

YOU get to determine what we discuss, and then insult us when our topics displease you?

YOU, a new member, who has barely even participated here, are endowed with some magical authority to choose the range of our thoughts and expressions?

How truly amazing you are.

I had no idea.
 
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pckts

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There are errors in both columns. You should get more precise data.

Also, first items in the list are not even related to evolution.
We've walked that road together, you believe your knowledge of Greek allows you to interpret Genesis Creation differently than it is presented in the KJV. I'm not interested.
 

trofimus

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We've walked that road together, you believe your knowledge of Greek allows you to interpret Genesis Creation differently than it is presented in the KJV. I'm not interested.
So do not be interested.
 
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Is there anything more “dumb” than a Christian insulting that which he knows nothing about? Perhaps there is—like posting about evolution in a Bible discussion forum rather than a science forum![/QUOTE]



YOU are actually going to insult the members of this forum for freely discussing whatever they like?

YOU get to determine what we discuss, and then insult us when our topics displease you?

YOU, a new member, who has barely even participated here, are endowed with some magical authority to choose the range of our thoughts and expressions?

How truly amazing you are.

I had no idea.
You'd be surprised maxwel the new comers are so authoritive and "wise" in their debuts and seem to know more than us,fascinating huh!?
 
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joefizz

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Is there anything more “dumb” than a Christian insulting that which he knows nothing about? Perhaps there is—like posting about evolution in a Bible discussion forum rather than a science forum!
so you are smarter for overlooking the "title" of this thread then fascinating,because strange it is called theistic "evolution" so someone posting about evolution is odd somehow or as you say "dumb" fascinating that.