Grace alone or grace plus works?
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In general, it would be any action on anyone's part to merit salvation.
When Paul was discussing the issue, he was addressing the problem of Jews (primarily Pharisees) who believed that they could be justified by "the deeds of the Law", meaning by obedience to the 613 commandments in the Torah. They forgot that justification was always by grace through faith, beginning with Abel.
So a "work" is that which is done to earn or merit salvation. All religions -- other than Bible Christianity -- teach that a man's good deeds are necessary to earn or merit salvation, and if there is not sufficient merit in this life, there will be many lives (through reincarnation) by which a man can obtain salvation (Nirvana for Hindus, Paradise for Muslims, who do not believe in reincarnation but in good deeds according to the Koran).
However, the Bible teaches very clearly that nothing which we do can earn our salvation, since the sin debt remains in question, and unless we are as perfect as God Himself, we remain unsaved. However, when we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and what He accomplished for our redemption, and receive Him by faith as Lord and Savior, with genuine repentance, then God imputes His righteousness to us. Since Christ was literally made SIN for us (He who knew no sin), and paid our sin debt in full, we are given the gift of Christ's righteousness purely through the grace of God. That is why it is called "Amazing Grace".
When Paul was discussing the issue, he was addressing the problem of Jews (primarily Pharisees) who believed that they could be justified by "the deeds of the Law", meaning by obedience to the 613 commandments in the Torah. They forgot that justification was always by grace through faith, beginning with Abel.
So a "work" is that which is done to earn or merit salvation. All religions -- other than Bible Christianity -- teach that a man's good deeds are necessary to earn or merit salvation, and if there is not sufficient merit in this life, there will be many lives (through reincarnation) by which a man can obtain salvation (Nirvana for Hindus, Paradise for Muslims, who do not believe in reincarnation but in good deeds according to the Koran).
However, the Bible teaches very clearly that nothing which we do can earn our salvation, since the sin debt remains in question, and unless we are as perfect as God Himself, we remain unsaved. However, when we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and what He accomplished for our redemption, and receive Him by faith as Lord and Savior, with genuine repentance, then God imputes His righteousness to us. Since Christ was literally made SIN for us (He who knew no sin), and paid our sin debt in full, we are given the gift of Christ's righteousness purely through the grace of God. That is why it is called "Amazing Grace".
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Please list the things that would be evidence of a conversion. Is this a lifelong works of evidence?
There's been long seasons of my life where I wanted little to do with God. If one were to look at my life at that time, they would find no evidence of my salvation.
God knows those that are saved by the seal of the Spirit he has placed upon the believer's life. Unfortunately, we may grieve the Spirit through our life choices.
There's been long seasons of my life where I wanted little to do with God. If one were to look at my life at that time, they would find no evidence of my salvation.
God knows those that are saved by the seal of the Spirit he has placed upon the believer's life. Unfortunately, we may grieve the Spirit through our life choices.
It is heartening to see that most of the people who responded to the survey believe in salvation by faith alone 
It seems that those who are pushing salvation by works are not as numerous as i thought.. They are just more active on the forums pushing their works salvation doctrine.. But it is good to see their doctrine is being rejected by the majority..
It seems that those who are pushing salvation by works are not as numerous as i thought.. They are just more active on the forums pushing their works salvation doctrine.. But it is good to see their doctrine is being rejected by the majority..
It is heartening to see that most of the people who responded to the survey believe in salvation by faith alone It seems that those who are pushing salvation by works are not as numerous as i thought.. They are just more active on the forums pushing their works salvation doctrine.. But it is good to see their doctrine is being rejected by the majority..
It seems that those who are pushing salvation by works are not as numerous as i thought.. They are just more active on the forums pushing their works salvation doctrine.. But it is good to see their doctrine is being rejected by the majority..
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A work is something according to paul you can “boast” or take credit for.
A work is according to paul something you do to earn a wage, or a reward
thus, The formula fits. Grace + “what work” equals salvation (if you think it is more than grace)
By the way, Faith is not a work, faith is not something you DO, it is something you HAVE.
so for example. SOme think water baptism is required to be saved.
One can “boast: of being baptized, and If it must be done in order to recieve it, then salvation is thge “wage” or “reward” earned for being water baptized.
so if this is the case,’
the equation would be
Grace plus water baptism equals salvation.
So can you again answer the question.
Grace plus “what work” equals salvation.
A work is according to paul something you do to earn a wage, or a reward
thus, The formula fits. Grace + “what work” equals salvation (if you think it is more than grace)
By the way, Faith is not a work, faith is not something you DO, it is something you HAVE.
so for example. SOme think water baptism is required to be saved.
One can “boast: of being baptized, and If it must be done in order to recieve it, then salvation is thge “wage” or “reward” earned for being water baptized.
so if this is the case,’
the equation would be
Grace plus water baptism equals salvation.
So can you again answer the question.
Grace plus “what work” equals salvation.
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It is heartening to see that most of the people who responded to the survey believe in salvation by faith alone It seems that those who are pushing salvation by works are not as numerous as i thought.. They are just more active on the forums pushing their works salvation doctrine.. But it is good to see their doctrine is being rejected by the majority..
It seems that those who are pushing salvation by works are not as numerous as i thought.. They are just more active on the forums pushing their works salvation doctrine.. But it is good to see their doctrine is being rejected by the majority..
Be careful, the enemy is sneaky
How can salvation be by grace alone when faith is needed? Alone means alone.
When Jesus was asked by the people, "What must we do to do the works God requires?" Jesus did not correct them but instead answered, "This is the work of God, that you believe whom He has sent".
Jesus spoke mostly of faith and obedience. Jesus never speaks of grace alone or even uses the word "grace" in His ministry.
Grace has no benefit to the one without faith. God's grace if not properly accepted is like a uncashed check, lost potential.
Jesus is God's offer of grace, refuse to properly accept the offer at your own risk.
Hence, grace alone is a misnomer.
When Jesus was asked by the people, "What must we do to do the works God requires?" Jesus did not correct them but instead answered, "This is the work of God, that you believe whom He has sent".
Jesus spoke mostly of faith and obedience. Jesus never speaks of grace alone or even uses the word "grace" in His ministry.
Grace has no benefit to the one without faith. God's grace if not properly accepted is like a uncashed check, lost potential.
Jesus is God's offer of grace, refuse to properly accept the offer at your own risk.
Hence, grace alone is a misnomer.