Is healing promised to the believers?
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It becomes a matter of expectation that Jesus has already paid for our healing and we persist in faith believing that He will continue to do so. Healing in the atonement we believe is paid for and offered to every Christian. What we each do with that offer (promise) is majorly different based on the individual and what they have been taught in the church they go to and what they believe personally. So yes., there will be people who will be in all levels of healing from 0% to 100%
FrankLee's testimony is a good example. He no doubt had heart issues and he made the choice to believe there is indeed healing in the atonement so he went forward in the meeting at church (where healing in the atonement was and is taught) FrankLee has been in a church that believes and preaches and teaches healing. So he was surrounded by believing saints who prayed and encouraged and believed in healing as well as expect it.
Later when the symptoms of his heart problem came up again., FrankLee rebuked/resisted the devil and the spirit of fear and has been doing so ever since. That is how I've also been learning to receive the healing that Jesus died to give us.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING Wolfwint
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God is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul pleases .He is moved by nothing other than he his good will that works in us. He promises us a new body that we will not receive in this life time under the sun . He does not heal according to human will as hands that move him..as if he needed anything
No such thing as a sign gift His healing do not come by observation we walk by faith (the unseen)
No such thing as a sign gift His healing do not come by observation we walk by faith (the unseen)
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I think i figured out why this site is anti healing.
You think, since not all are healed, it has to be his will.
Lets say your car broke down.
No brainer,take it to the place where they fix it.
Someone says " God broke my car"
" it is Gods will"
" i wont take it in because i didn't put oil in it and the mechanic will point it out"
Ok, lets just call it Gods will that it broke.
Kinda bizarre
You think, since not all are healed, it has to be his will.
Lets say your car broke down.
No brainer,take it to the place where they fix it.
Someone says " God broke my car"
" it is Gods will"
" i wont take it in because i didn't put oil in it and the mechanic will point it out"
Ok, lets just call it Gods will that it broke.
Kinda bizarre
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apart from the usual dissenters who are pleased to 'like' what anyone posts in a negative fashion taking the side opposite healing as a free for all (only we all know it is not and to say it is is simply a departure from the truth)
let's take a look at your response
you say I do not expect God to heal. that would mean I might as well not pray. that's a heavy duty charge there mister and frankly that is also part and parcel of what you 'God wants to heal everyone'(only He actually wants everyone to be saved and that is the actual miracle..spiritual healing...which you seem to relegate to an expectation rather than the supernatural event it actually is) claim about everyone who points out that you twist scripture and make false claims about healing
even so, everyone is not saved just like everyone is not healed. God Himself does not have the expectation you place upon Him
I see someone posted something about Wigglesworth. perhaps not many know that Wigglesworth himself suffered from kidney stones and he was NOT healed and his own daughter was DEAF and was not healed
the huge canyon that exists is one of your own making between what scripture actually states and the hogwash WOFers spew and the other huge canyon that exists is CREDIBILITY between reports of healing and the actual facts of what goes on
I guess Mr Wigglesworth did not have enough faith (now I don't really think that, but I understand y'all need an explanation for the lack of healing
Happy Thanksgiving...on a nicer note and hope you have a very nice one
let's take a look at your response
you say I do not expect God to heal. that would mean I might as well not pray. that's a heavy duty charge there mister and frankly that is also part and parcel of what you 'God wants to heal everyone'(only He actually wants everyone to be saved and that is the actual miracle..spiritual healing...which you seem to relegate to an expectation rather than the supernatural event it actually is) claim about everyone who points out that you twist scripture and make false claims about healing
even so, everyone is not saved just like everyone is not healed. God Himself does not have the expectation you place upon Him
I see someone posted something about Wigglesworth. perhaps not many know that Wigglesworth himself suffered from kidney stones and he was NOT healed and his own daughter was DEAF and was not healed
the huge canyon that exists is one of your own making between what scripture actually states and the hogwash WOFers spew and the other huge canyon that exists is CREDIBILITY between reports of healing and the actual facts of what goes on
I guess Mr Wigglesworth did not have enough faith (now I don't really think that, but I understand y'all need an explanation for the lack of healing
Happy Thanksgiving...on a nicer note and hope you have a very nice one
God heals that is beyond question. God heals the bodies of both the good and the evil in this world. Always to the glory of God. Healing among the unsaved because it is the goodness of God that brings men to repentance.
Where the debate rages is over those who claim to be healers. Wigglesworth is among that number. He most certainly is not alone but the question is and remains about the genuine authority of a man to heal other men.
So does the gift of healing go to the person who needs healed or to another to act as a healer? Kind of like tongues the speaker or the hearer receiving the gift. The efficacy in both cases is in the result and to the glory of God.
Thankful for the gospel through which Gods gift of salvation has been imparted to me. Thankful for Gods preservation of my body that I might serve Him in some small way.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Where the debate rages is over those who claim to be healers. Wigglesworth is among that number. He most certainly is not alone but the question is and remains about the genuine authority of a man to heal other men.
So does the gift of healing go to the person who needs healed or to another to act as a healer? Kind of like tongues the speaker or the hearer receiving the gift. The efficacy in both cases is in the result and to the glory of God.
Thankful for the gospel through which Gods gift of salvation has been imparted to me. Thankful for Gods preservation of my body that I might serve Him in some small way.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
This is what I believe about what our lives as Christians here on earth should be while we wait for the redemption of our physical bodies to complete the process when Jesus comes. We have these GREAT and PRECIOUS PROMISES today by faith. As I said before., we are learning each day to walk by faith and not by sight. That is how our new man is to live and the more we live as new creations, the more we will show Jesus in our lives.
Yes., we each have a measure of faith as a gift but we are to grow in it. We are not supposed to stay babies drinking milk., but growing up in the faith so we can take the meat of the Word while in we grow in our spirit man. We should know more about Jesus today than we did last week and last year. We should be getting an idea of the height and length and breath of His love for us. These verses tell us what it's all about and what we have each day. In a way., it is like paradise here. We are not alone., we have Jesus to walk this life out and His love to learn about each day. And the joy of the Lord is our strength. Do we really believe this? When we do life is worth living. Eph.3:18-21
[SUP]18 [/SUP]That you may have the power and be strong to apprehend and grasp with all the saints [God’s devoted people, the experience of that love] what is the breadth and length and height and depth [of it];
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19 [/SUP][That you may really come] to know [practically, [SUP][a][/SUP]through experience for yourselves] the love of Christ, which far surpasses [SUP][b][/SUP]mere knowledge [without experience]; that you may be filled [through all your being] [SUP][c][/SUP]unto all the fullness of God [may have the richest measure of the divine Presence, and [SUP][d][/SUP]become a body wholly filled and flooded with God Himself]!
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20 [/SUP]Now to Him Who, by (in consequence of) the [action of His] power that is at work within us, is able to [carry out His purpose and] do superabundantly, far over and above all that we [dare] ask or think [infinitely beyond our highest prayers, desires, thoughts, hopes, or dreams]—
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21 [/SUP]To Him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations forever and ever. Amen (so be it).
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I understand that in Epeser 3, 19 is said that Jesus Love is greater then the Knowledge.And that we should
recognize that. So that to know Jesus Love is greater then Knowledge!
But what has your post to do with the Thread question?
As far as I know, Jesus was healing to demonstrate signs of authority and power on earth from God. Jesus healed a blind man at a water pool, but many were in need of healing. He chose ONE.
I think, that prayer and oil, used to heal, is only effective if it is the will of God. If it is his plan. If the people and that church, NEED, healing as either a sign or just to continue the Plan of God.
After all, God heals AND God kills. It says so in the only testament. Satan is his tool. Used by God, as mentioned in JOB.
Hope this is of use.
I think, that prayer and oil, used to heal, is only effective if it is the will of God. If it is his plan. If the people and that church, NEED, healing as either a sign or just to continue the Plan of God.
After all, God heals AND God kills. It says so in the only testament. Satan is his tool. Used by God, as mentioned in JOB.
Hope this is of use.
Was looking at some books on healing in the atonement on Amazon and found this one that has been reviewed. I was also surprised at how many books there were written on the subject of healing in the atonement. It strikes me that there are many different Christians in the world who believe in healing and many Christians who don't. Both use the Hebrew and Greek too. Both have scholars who have good points on both sides of the table.
I don't think it is ever OK to call another Christian a heretic because they don't believe exactly the same in this subject or others. Some believe in speaking in tongues and some don't. Again. I do not believe it is ever OK to call a Christian a heretic because they don't believe the same on these and other matters well known for disagreement among Christians. On either side of the subject.
“Bodily Healing and the Atonement” by TJ McCrossan
I’ve just finished reading Bodily Healing and the Atonement by TJ McCrossan. This 80 year old classic (since reprinted) is a welcome antidote to any uncertainty you may have regarding God’s will for healing.
The main takeaway of this book is that “Christ bore our sicknesses in the very same way that He bore our sins” (p.12).
Many sincere believers struggle to see healing because of false teaching. They’ve been told that it’s not God’s will to heal everyone, or that God wants them sick to teach them character, or that God used to heal people but He doesn’t anymore.
Through an in-depth study of scripture, TJ McCrossan demolishes all of these misconceptions. He writes that sickness is ultimately the devil’s work. (We have sickness and death on account of sin (Rms 5:12), but it was Satan who led our first parents to disobey God. Thus Satan is the originator and propagator of sickness.) McCrossan notes that Jesus rebuked sickness in the same way that He rebuked evil spirits – harshly and with authority. Sickness is not something we should learn to live with, but something we need to learn how to eliminate through faith in Christ.
Jesus healed the sick (Mt 4:23), He commanded His disciples to heal the sick (Mt 10:8), and He said that we would heal the sick (Mk 16:18). So why are we unsure about His will for the sick? His will is that we heal them!
Probably my favorite part of the book was the section on God’s will versus our will. Many believers pray with the proviso if it be Thy will. As McCrossan explains, this is faithless, irresponsible praying. It is giving voice to doubt and abdicating our God-given mandate to heal the sick. The Bible is full of promises and instructions regarding healing. We have no excuse for imitating the father in Mark 9:22 who asked Jesus, “if you can do anything…” If you can?! Of course He can – He’s God! He can heal and He wants to heal. The real question is not “God, can you?” but “do you believe?”
Jesus died for all sinners but not all are saved. Why not? Because of unbelief in the goodness of God. Similarly, Jesus died that all might be healed, but not all are healed? According to TJ MCrossan, it’s the same reason:
“Every saint has a blood-bought right to be healed, but thousands do not know that they must exercise the very same appropriating faith in the bruised body of Christ for their healing as they formerly exercised in His shed blood for their salvation.” (p.64)
On the whole I am greatly inspired by Bodily Healing and the Atonement, but I sense there is a danger that some readers might trip up if they are not already acquainted with The Gospel by grace alone through faith alone. For instance, the author lists a number of conditions for being healed. The first requirement is “keeping all of God’s commands and doing only what was right in His sight” (p.64). This comes from 1 Jn 3:22; God answered John’s prayers because John kept God’s commandments. But what the author neglects to mention is that the commandments John is referring to are not the commandments of the Old Testament. John is saying we must believe in Jesus Christ (see 1 Jn 3:23). If you don’t believe in Jesus, you’re going to have a hard time receiving the healing that He provided for you at the cross.
We are not healed on the basis of our law-keeping, but on account of God’s grace revealed to us through Christ. Yet God’s grace will be of no effect to you unless you respond positively in faith (Eph 2:8). The gospel of Christ reveals the power of God for salvation – forgiveness, healing, deliverance – for everyone who believes (Rms 1:16), and ultimately this is the message of Bodily Healing. If you are battling with long term illness or know someone who is, get them a copy of this book. Then go heal them.
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I don't think it is ever OK to call another Christian a heretic because they don't believe exactly the same in this subject or others. Some believe in speaking in tongues and some don't. Again. I do not believe it is ever OK to call a Christian a heretic because they don't believe the same on these and other matters well known for disagreement among Christians. On either side of the subject.
“Bodily Healing and the Atonement” by TJ McCrossan
The main takeaway of this book is that “Christ bore our sicknesses in the very same way that He bore our sins” (p.12).
Many sincere believers struggle to see healing because of false teaching. They’ve been told that it’s not God’s will to heal everyone, or that God wants them sick to teach them character, or that God used to heal people but He doesn’t anymore.
Through an in-depth study of scripture, TJ McCrossan demolishes all of these misconceptions. He writes that sickness is ultimately the devil’s work. (We have sickness and death on account of sin (Rms 5:12), but it was Satan who led our first parents to disobey God. Thus Satan is the originator and propagator of sickness.) McCrossan notes that Jesus rebuked sickness in the same way that He rebuked evil spirits – harshly and with authority. Sickness is not something we should learn to live with, but something we need to learn how to eliminate through faith in Christ.
Jesus healed the sick (Mt 4:23), He commanded His disciples to heal the sick (Mt 10:8), and He said that we would heal the sick (Mk 16:18). So why are we unsure about His will for the sick? His will is that we heal them!
Probably my favorite part of the book was the section on God’s will versus our will. Many believers pray with the proviso if it be Thy will. As McCrossan explains, this is faithless, irresponsible praying. It is giving voice to doubt and abdicating our God-given mandate to heal the sick. The Bible is full of promises and instructions regarding healing. We have no excuse for imitating the father in Mark 9:22 who asked Jesus, “if you can do anything…” If you can?! Of course He can – He’s God! He can heal and He wants to heal. The real question is not “God, can you?” but “do you believe?”
Jesus died for all sinners but not all are saved. Why not? Because of unbelief in the goodness of God. Similarly, Jesus died that all might be healed, but not all are healed? According to TJ MCrossan, it’s the same reason:
“Every saint has a blood-bought right to be healed, but thousands do not know that they must exercise the very same appropriating faith in the bruised body of Christ for their healing as they formerly exercised in His shed blood for their salvation.” (p.64)
On the whole I am greatly inspired by Bodily Healing and the Atonement, but I sense there is a danger that some readers might trip up if they are not already acquainted with The Gospel by grace alone through faith alone. For instance, the author lists a number of conditions for being healed. The first requirement is “keeping all of God’s commands and doing only what was right in His sight” (p.64). This comes from 1 Jn 3:22; God answered John’s prayers because John kept God’s commandments. But what the author neglects to mention is that the commandments John is referring to are not the commandments of the Old Testament. John is saying we must believe in Jesus Christ (see 1 Jn 3:23). If you don’t believe in Jesus, you’re going to have a hard time receiving the healing that He provided for you at the cross.
We are not healed on the basis of our law-keeping, but on account of God’s grace revealed to us through Christ. Yet God’s grace will be of no effect to you unless you respond positively in faith (Eph 2:8). The gospel of Christ reveals the power of God for salvation – forgiveness, healing, deliverance – for everyone who believes (Rms 1:16), and ultimately this is the message of Bodily Healing. If you are battling with long term illness or know someone who is, get them a copy of this book. Then go heal them.
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Look honestly in the end it is a matter of faith in divine healing.
Lots of people go to churches that do not preach and uphold healings
and miracles by the power of God.
So they miss out and convince themselves that such does not happen
anymore.
Some of us are members of churches that preach and uphold
divine healings and miracles by the power of God, and
as such stand on the promises of God given in the scriptures.
Hence we have an abundance of testimonies to healings and miracles.
Each to their own.
Lots of people go to churches that do not preach and uphold healings
and miracles by the power of God.
So they miss out and convince themselves that such does not happen
anymore.
Some of us are members of churches that preach and uphold
divine healings and miracles by the power of God, and
as such stand on the promises of God given in the scriptures.
Hence we have an abundance of testimonies to healings and miracles.
Each to their own.
Mar 6:5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
Luk 8:42 For he had one only daughter, about twelve years of age, and she lay a dying. But as he went the people thronged him.
Luk 8:43 And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any,
Luk 8:44 Came behind him, and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched.
Luk 8:45 And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?
Luk 8:46 And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.
Jesus was restricted by the people's lack of faith in His home town so much so that he couldn't do His normal mighty works.
Which means that there were at least some who were not able to be healed.
By the sounds of it, Jesus wanted to do more for the people of His home town but couldn't because of their doubt.
They were also looking at Him from a natural point of view and took offense towards him, like many here on CC concerning healing and faith.
Also take note how many people were thronging and pressing on Jesus to touch Him for healing but only the woman with the issue of blood caused virtue to go out of Jesus.
That means all those people pressing on Jesus did not get what they were pressing on Him for.
Luk 8:42 For he had one only daughter, about twelve years of age, and she lay a dying. But as he went the people thronged him.
Luk 8:43 And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any,
Luk 8:44 Came behind him, and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched.
Luk 8:45 And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?
Luk 8:46 And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.
Jesus was restricted by the people's lack of faith in His home town so much so that he couldn't do His normal mighty works.
Which means that there were at least some who were not able to be healed.
By the sounds of it, Jesus wanted to do more for the people of His home town but couldn't because of their doubt.
They were also looking at Him from a natural point of view and took offense towards him, like many here on CC concerning healing and faith.
Also take note how many people were thronging and pressing on Jesus to touch Him for healing but only the woman with the issue of blood caused virtue to go out of Jesus.
That means all those people pressing on Jesus did not get what they were pressing on Him for.
Agree with you 100% on this. Each of us has to decide what we personally believe the Bible is saying to us. No one can dictate to us for or against healing in the atonement. We can present the Bible verses that convince us for or against when we come here on CC and then the ultimate choice is with each individual Christian how they want to proceed.
There is no reason to condemn on either side should the other not see it the same as we do. I have chosen to believe in healing in the atonement and am thoroughly convinced in the truth as it has been shown in the Bible and through the Holy Spirit and His witness to me. We come here to "share" our faith., not condemn others for theirs.
James 5:15 [FONT="]And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.[/FONT]
If Gods Word is true, and it is; then the fault is in us and not the Word.
The prayer of faith is the prayer from those who believe in what Jesus believed, which is love, truth, justice, and so on.
If Gods Word is true, and it is; then the fault is in us and not the Word.
The prayer of faith is the prayer from those who believe in what Jesus believed, which is love, truth, justice, and so on.