The King James Bible

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hornetguy

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The translators of the KJV admitted in the forward that their work was not perfect and could always be edited to improve it's fidelity to the original manuscripts. This is true of any translation. Even in the original manuscripts we find technical difficulties. Linguistic drift and no complete manuscripts from which to translate.

Hebrew scholars and doctors of the law argue for centuries over a single jot or tittle in the manuscripts.

Moral of the story. Use what you got and allow God to see that you get what you need.

For the cause of Christ
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Yes.... but a person cannot do that when he worships the translation as being "perfect", and worthy of worship.

It's idolatry, actually. It goes beyond the "well that's just silly" point and becomes "hey, you are worshipping and placing your faith in a BOOK..." instead of the author of that book.
 
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In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God
 

hornetguy

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I worship the Lord Jesus Christ. I exalt the Scriptures which in turn exalt the Savior. You cast doubt on the Scriptures. If the Scriptures are 100% trustworthy, why trust the Savior of the Scripture? (This has been an argument from the lost world)

There are three examples of translations in the Bible. Enoch, Saul's kingdom to David's and the rapture. In each case, the translation was better than the original.
And, as Dino pointed out, the types of "translations" you mention are a completely different type of translation. They have nothing to do with translating a document. Enoch was "translated" to be with God... he didn't go through the normal death process. The "rapture" (if you believe in that) will translate people to be with Jesus, not going through the normal death process. Saul's kingdom to David's? Not even sure what you mean by that "translation"....

Like saying "appeasement" means to smother someone with peas.... I mean, good grief...
 

hornetguy

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In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God
Are you re-writing scripture? That's NOT what John 1:1 is saying....

hopefully, you were being sarcastic..:confused:
 
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Are you re-writing scripture? That's NOT what John 1:1 is saying....

hopefully, you were being sarcastic..:confused:
He was being sarcastic.

But rest assured, there are KJVonly people who say Bible is God.

Here is one example:

[video=youtube;9xKvdU0qgrs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xKvdU0qgrs[/video]
 

John146

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Yes.... but a person cannot do that when he worships the translation as being "perfect", and worthy of worship.

It's idolatry, actually. It goes beyond the "well that's just silly" point and becomes "hey, you are worshipping and placing your faith in a BOOK..." instead of the author of that book.
When you got saved, where you placing your trust in what Scripture says about the Savior or the Savior Himself? Can the two be separated?

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 

hornetguy

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When you got saved, where you placing your trust in what Scripture says about the Savior or the Savior Himself? Can the two be separated?

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Of course they can be separated, and should be separated. We should not have faith in everything we hear or read... we are to test what is taught us against scripture... but I don't have faith in words... I have faith in Jesus. The words lead us to that, but they are not worthy of "worship", IMO. Only the Father/Son/Spirit are worthy of worship.
 

hornetguy

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He was being sarcastic.

But rest assured, there are KJVonly people who say Bible is God.

Here is one example:

[video=youtube;9xKvdU0qgrs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xKvdU0qgrs[/video]
I assumed he was using sarcasm to make his point.... it worked. Good point.
 

Laish

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He was being sarcastic.

But rest assured, there are KJVonly people who say Bible is God.

Here is one example:

[video=youtube;9xKvdU0qgrs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xKvdU0qgrs[/video]
Oh boy Steve Anderson. That’s guy is one real pice of work . He lives here in the Phoenix area.
That guy is in the newes here every month or so . Yea he is like that in person too . He needs our prayers .
Blessings
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Oh boy Steve Anderson. That’s guy is one real pice of work . He lives here in the Phoenix area.
That guy is in the newes here every month or so . Yea he is like that in person too . He needs our prayers .
Blessings
Bill
I think he is extremely entertaining. He has some good sermons.

I like his rants where he kicks the table he is preaching on. Awesome.
 

preacher4truth

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When you got saved, where you placing your trust in what Scripture says about the Savior or the Savior Himself? Can the two be separated?

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

What are you even talking about "saved?" A god who learns and doesn't possess all knowledge isn't able to save anyone because he is not God.
 
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What are you even talking about "saved?" A god who learns and doesn't possess all knowledge isn't able to save anyone because he is not God.
u just need to give god a little help and u will be saved in no time!!!! u see.
unless u change ur mind then theres nothing to be done. tough luck u see. but dont give god too many surprises or he will get mad and u dont wanna deal with the consequences!!!!! unless he or u change ur mind...

some open theist said that when we make a new song to God and He hears it for the first time He is genuinely happy and excited about hearing it for the first time..... these guys have made God into a man
 
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John146

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The words lead us to that, but they are not worthy of "worship", IMO. Only the Father/Son/Spirit are worthy of worship.
There you go. You trusted that Scripture was right about the Savior. We are to test things with Scripture.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 

trofimus

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There you go. You trusted that Scripture was right about the Savior. We are to test things with Scripture.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
You do not realize that you can get the gospel message in every common translation (JW´ and similar excluded), so he did not have to trust in the KJV to get that.

Also, there are saved people from whole the world, I was saved without reading any English Bible.
 
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Oh boy Steve Anderson. That’s guy is one real pice of work . He lives here in the Phoenix area.
That guy is in the newes here every month or so . Yea he is like that in person too . He needs our prayers .
Blessings
Bill
he does a lot of soul-winning. thats a good thing. that church has knocked on every door in arizona i reckon. i dont agree with him on israel and rapture. hes not rightly dividing that. but atleast hes soul-winning alot. thats good enough for me
 

John146

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u just need to give god a little help and u will be saved in no time!!!! u see.
unless u change ur mind then theres nothing to be done. tough luck u see. but dont give god too many surprises or he will get mad and u dont wanna deal with the consequences!!!!! unless he or u change ur mind...

some open theist said that when we make a new song to God and He hears it for the first time He is genuinely happy and excited about hearing it for the first time..... these guys have made God into a man
Hebrews 5
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

God learned what it was like to become flesh and be tempted. He learned what it was like to be thirsty, hungry, and in pain. Never before had God experienced these things.

Hebrews 4 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 2
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
 
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Hebrews 5
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

God learned what it was like to become flesh and be tempted. He learned what it was like to be thirsty, hungry, and in pain. Never before had God experienced these things.

Hebrews 4 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 2
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
This is how exegesis is done? Thank you.
 

John146

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You do not realize that you can get the gospel message in every common translation (JW´ and similar excluded), so he did not have to trust in the KJV to get that.

Also, there are saved people from whole the world, I was saved without reading any English Bible.
Yep, never would make a claim against this.
 

Dino246

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Yep, never would make a claim against this.

Yet this is exactly what you do indirectly, by claiming that the KJV is God's perfect word, and that all others are corruptions.

As with so many errors of understanding, the problem is not with the direct statement, but with the implications of the statement.