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Up until the temple was destroyed they made animal sacrifices. After Jesus was resurrected they were in vain. Judaism has a major problem that their religion requires a blood sacrifice but they are unable to do it. They ignore the blood sacrifice of Jesus to their damnation. I pray that many of them will open their eyes to the truth. There are many messianic Jews but that is a sliver of the Jews.
Romans 6 says you are either a slave to righteousness or a slave to sin, so which is it?
Romans 8 says you walk in the Spirit or you walk in the flesh, which is it?
Understanding the truths contained in Romans 6 and 8, show us clearly that Paul was speaking of himself prior to his conversion on the road of Damascus in Romans 7.
It does not mean Paul was sinless or perfect after his conversion, because he was not and we are not, but it does mean that after conversion and walking in the Spirit you are not slave to sin, but to righteousness, you are a child of light or walk in darkness, you cannot do both. We do not have carnal Christians in the church, we have babes in Christ that refuse to grow-up Spiritually like the Corinthians did and refuse to walk in spiritually maturity.
1 John addresses his letters to the children, young men and Fathers of the church. Sons walk in newness of life and are not perfect, but have power over sin. Children have not matured to that point.
Honestly we have more kids in the Kingdom, few young men and even fewer Fathers.
Romans 8 says you walk in the Spirit or you walk in the flesh, which is it?
Understanding the truths contained in Romans 6 and 8, show us clearly that Paul was speaking of himself prior to his conversion on the road of Damascus in Romans 7.
It does not mean Paul was sinless or perfect after his conversion, because he was not and we are not, but it does mean that after conversion and walking in the Spirit you are not slave to sin, but to righteousness, you are a child of light or walk in darkness, you cannot do both. We do not have carnal Christians in the church, we have babes in Christ that refuse to grow-up Spiritually like the Corinthians did and refuse to walk in spiritually maturity.
1 John addresses his letters to the children, young men and Fathers of the church. Sons walk in newness of life and are not perfect, but have power over sin. Children have not matured to that point.
Honestly we have more kids in the Kingdom, few young men and even fewer Fathers.
You ignore what Paul said in chapter 7. It is both. You have to take all scripture on a subject matter in context to understand what the Bible says on a particular topic. You don't pick and choose sections and ignore the other sections you don't want to look at. While our mind wants to be centered in Christ our sin nature is there all the time. If it wasn't we could live a life without sin. Are you sin free? If not you have that sin nature Paul is talking about. That section was in the present tense so it was his continuous battle the same as all of us have.
My spirit is sin free, my mind and body is not. My spirit is perfect,my mind and my body is not.
To look at Romans 6-8 correctly you need to understand man is a 3 part being and that his spirit, not his soul or body is made perfect at conversion. Why do you suppose Paul said the old man died? in so many of his epistles?
The mind, will, emotions and passions of a mind rule him unless they are renewed by the word of God and are led by his spirit.
The body will obey the mind or the spirit of man.
Romans 7 shows us the struggle Paul had with sin under the Mosaic Law . When were you ever under the Mosaic law?
Romans 7 shows us that if we have been freed by the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus and let the Spirit rule us, we overcome things, even sin now, not later. The man of sin is freed under Jesus Christ. Also, what do you suppose Peter was talking about in 2 Peter 1:11 about being a partaker of the divine nature?
If you at war with 2 different natures all the time, Paul says you are not saved. He says light and darkness cannot have fellowship. The old man and new Man cannot share the same house. This is being double minded and unstable.
Either you are a new man, that will still miss the mark at times and belong to Christ and crucified the flesh and all its passions and walk in the Spirit
OR
You are an old man that does not belong to Christ and have not crucified the flesh with all it's passions and still walk in the flesh, think in the flesh and are hostile to God and cannot please God.
Romans 8:10 says the body is dead to sin, but the spirit alive to righteousness.
Once again, we are not sin free and will still sin, but the old man[sin nature] died with Christ and the new man [spirit] was raised into newness of life. We walk have control over sin because we renew our minds, pull down every thought against Christ and are led by the Spirit of God.
When you get saved you get your choice back, regarding sin and the old life and partaking of the divine nature and life more abundantly . You go from sinner to sin forgiven child of light, who will still sin, but not be entangled, slowed down or controlled by sin.
This is Paul's argument in Romans 6-8. If oyu do not read it this way you will miss the truths contained in it, that sets you free from a life of double minded sin-consciousness false teaching.
To look at Romans 6-8 correctly you need to understand man is a 3 part being and that his spirit, not his soul or body is made perfect at conversion. Why do you suppose Paul said the old man died? in so many of his epistles?
The mind, will, emotions and passions of a mind rule him unless they are renewed by the word of God and are led by his spirit.
The body will obey the mind or the spirit of man.
Romans 7 shows us the struggle Paul had with sin under the Mosaic Law . When were you ever under the Mosaic law?
Romans 7 shows us that if we have been freed by the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus and let the Spirit rule us, we overcome things, even sin now, not later. The man of sin is freed under Jesus Christ. Also, what do you suppose Peter was talking about in 2 Peter 1:11 about being a partaker of the divine nature?
If you at war with 2 different natures all the time, Paul says you are not saved. He says light and darkness cannot have fellowship. The old man and new Man cannot share the same house. This is being double minded and unstable.
Either you are a new man, that will still miss the mark at times and belong to Christ and crucified the flesh and all its passions and walk in the Spirit
OR
You are an old man that does not belong to Christ and have not crucified the flesh with all it's passions and still walk in the flesh, think in the flesh and are hostile to God and cannot please God.
Romans 8:10 says the body is dead to sin, but the spirit alive to righteousness.
Once again, we are not sin free and will still sin, but the old man[sin nature] died with Christ and the new man [spirit] was raised into newness of life. We walk have control over sin because we renew our minds, pull down every thought against Christ and are led by the Spirit of God.
When you get saved you get your choice back, regarding sin and the old life and partaking of the divine nature and life more abundantly . You go from sinner to sin forgiven child of light, who will still sin, but not be entangled, slowed down or controlled by sin.
This is Paul's argument in Romans 6-8. If oyu do not read it this way you will miss the truths contained in it, that sets you free from a life of double minded sin-consciousness false teaching.
Who is double minded here, God saved us eternally; "And I shall duel in the house of the Lord forever" Psalm23:6.
Once a Father always a Father once a son always a son; "no one can pluck us out of the Fathers Hand." John10:28
We are sanctified , set apart and made holy (perfect), for the work of the Father; Our personal sanctification and holy living is a life time pursuit, with no guilt trips added.
The Prodigal Son:
22) "But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet.
23) Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.
25) “Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing.
26) So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on.
27) ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’
28) “The older brother became angry and refused to go in.
Once a Father always a Father once a son always a son; "no one can pluck us out of the Fathers Hand." John10:28
We are sanctified , set apart and made holy (perfect), for the work of the Father; Our personal sanctification and holy living is a life time pursuit, with no guilt trips added.
The Prodigal Son:
22) "But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet.
23) Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.
25) “Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing.
26) So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on.
27) ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’
28) “The older brother became angry and refused to go in.
I am still a little shaking, but I am a little bit on the good side of this, now that I have been here to go a for a enough simply posts. Yes, I lots more to go through, but a least I have a little to look forword too, now that I have been able again. I hope that makes sense to you all.
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I hate to break it to you but we are under the law. Without the law we don't know what sin is. Sin is transgression of the law!!
Mathew 5:17 to 20 NIV
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Mathew 5:17 to 20 NIV
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Romans 6:14, 15:
“Sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.”
Romans 3:19:
“Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.”
LOL. How can we have repented of our sin if we did not know what it is???
“Sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.”
Romans 3:19:
“Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.”
LOL. How can we have repented of our sin if we did not know what it is???
Gentiles have never been under the Mosaic Law, ever.
Romans 2:12-15
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; [SUP]13 [/SUP]for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, [SUP]15 [/SUP]in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,
Abraham did not have the law either and he was saved by faith and we are the same way. The Law never saved anyone.
Romans 4:5-8
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, [SUP]6 [/SUP]just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“Blessed are those whose lawless deeds have been forgiven,
And whose sins have been covered.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will not take into account.”