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Hey pckts how many times since you came here have you said you're not going to talk to me anymore or pay any attention to me or anyone else who doesn't agree with the flat gospel you preach?
Just sayin
Just sayin
Owens claims divine authority has given him proof its a globe, and attacks me personally for believing otherwise or not agreeing. You argue your beliefs with the evidence that supports it and only attack flat earthers in general, which I can deal with. I don't mind talking with you about Tesla as we did earlier, wasn't really "defending" flat earth against the close-minded in that exchange.
And thank you for letting me know Tesla was a nut about mars communication. That's why I responded, it was insightful information.
I guess I don't understand. You mean FE says the sun is like a giant spotlight shining selectively on the plane that is earth? And the giant spotlight moves around to shine on North America part of the time and then over to China? Who is directing this giant flashlight? And if the earth is flat why can't we look over and see the spotlight lighting up the clouds above China when it's night time in the U.S.? Why can't we look up and see the edge of the giant spotlight sun during our night time?
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Once upon a time, I thought the pathways of the seas disproved flat earth. So I searched and researched, only to find it makes even more sense on a flat earth. Hmm, where else can I poke holes in it?
I did not consider day here and night in Spain simultaneously as being a proof. Heck that happens with the flat earth model too. So....some of you are not doing your homework. You know who you are.
I did not consider day here and night in Spain simultaneously as being a proof. Heck that happens with the flat earth model too. So....some of you are not doing your homework. You know who you are.
More importantly we have a very good picture of where daylight and darkness are on the earth at any given time these days, and if you map that on a Frisbee it is absolutely impossible that what is being suggested as an explanation for why flat gospel contradicts reality to be true. It don't look like no flashlight beam at all!
However it does absolutely perfectly match a model in which the earth is a mildly oblate spheroid tilted at an angle to the ecliptic, with a distance from the sun that varies regularly over its orbital period.
[video]https://youtu.be/7WNTI05Ok9s[/video]
However it does absolutely perfectly match a model in which the earth is a mildly oblate spheroid tilted at an angle to the ecliptic, with a distance from the sun that varies regularly over its orbital period.
[video]https://youtu.be/7WNTI05Ok9s[/video]
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Where is the truth? Is the Bible true?
Job 37:18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?
Rev. 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal:
Rev 15:2 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal:
I believe these 3 verses are describing the same thing. It's the firmament, and the Throne of Almighty sits above it. Why wouldn't it be so?
Then we have NASA admitting, so far they can only go in low earth orbit for reason of Van Allen belt, radiation and all that.
God doesn't lie, and He doesn't change. Men lie, change their story.
Job 37:18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?
Rev. 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal:
Rev 15:2 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal:
I believe these 3 verses are describing the same thing. It's the firmament, and the Throne of Almighty sits above it. Why wouldn't it be so?
Then we have NASA admitting, so far they can only go in low earth orbit for reason of Van Allen belt, radiation and all that.
God doesn't lie, and He doesn't change. Men lie, change their story.
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The bible does not say the earth is flat. The whole flat earth thing was a big joke to begin with. But some people actually believed it. I'll bet quite a few of the flat earthers don't actually believe the earth is flat. They are just trolling the other ones.
Wake up and smell the coffee!
Wake up and smell the coffee!
Michael Heiser is a Bible scholar who makes a case for the Bible being a flat earth document. His "theory" is, that God was OK with the writers believing the earth was flat because it simply wasn't important. What can I say? One doesn't have to have faith a statement is completely true, in order to interpret the language in which it was written.
See, you're reading into the scriptures way too much without looking through the eyes of the prophets and people who lived in that day and age. They saw what we see on a continual basis. Just because the scripture says the Earth is motionless, doesn't mean it doesn't move in OTHER ways. God hung the Earth about nothing, well let's look at that for a minute.
We know the Earth is in space, and it is in a fixed orbit around the sun. Motionless could mean any number of things, meaning it doesn't move off it's axis, or further out into space, and throughout the course of time, it hasn't done that, because our Lord holds it into place. You cannot deny that a sun rise and a sun set, ALONG with the fact the when the sun rises and the sun sets, that sunlight is directly reflected off the bottom of the clouds, cannot and will not apply to a flat Earth model. It's impossible. It's been proven time and time again, not only by leaders of the scientific community, but also leaders of the faith.
Just because a Bible scholar makes a case for flat Earth does not make him right.
My thought it, if you're so hellbent on convincing everyone that our Earth is flat, give US some of your instruments and measurements to use, and I'm not talking about OTHERS methods you see on youtube or elsewhere, I am talking YOURS. And please bring us back evidence that you found the ICE WALL protecting the edge of the Earth, and that you actually HIT the dome of the firmament with something. Please, bring us your own findings.
We know the Earth is in space, and it is in a fixed orbit around the sun. Motionless could mean any number of things, meaning it doesn't move off it's axis, or further out into space, and throughout the course of time, it hasn't done that, because our Lord holds it into place. You cannot deny that a sun rise and a sun set, ALONG with the fact the when the sun rises and the sun sets, that sunlight is directly reflected off the bottom of the clouds, cannot and will not apply to a flat Earth model. It's impossible. It's been proven time and time again, not only by leaders of the scientific community, but also leaders of the faith.
Just because a Bible scholar makes a case for flat Earth does not make him right.
My thought it, if you're so hellbent on convincing everyone that our Earth is flat, give US some of your instruments and measurements to use, and I'm not talking about OTHERS methods you see on youtube or elsewhere, I am talking YOURS. And please bring us back evidence that you found the ICE WALL protecting the edge of the Earth, and that you actually HIT the dome of the firmament with something. Please, bring us your own findings.
Revelation 4:2 --
I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven
Revelation 15:1-3
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
astonishingly bad hermeneutic to say this is talking in any literal way about an ice wall or glass dome over a cosmic menagerie ((not to mention misquoting Rev. 15 but w/e)).
you guys are espousing pagan Babylonian cosmology, you know that, right? all that's missing is the elephants on top of the turtle. and it's "turtles all the way down"
I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven
Revelation 15:1-3
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
astonishingly bad hermeneutic to say this is talking in any literal way about an ice wall or glass dome over a cosmic menagerie ((not to mention misquoting Rev. 15 but w/e)).
you guys are espousing pagan Babylonian cosmology, you know that, right? all that's missing is the elephants on top of the turtle. and it's "turtles all the way down"
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"as it were" shows that it's a comparison to things we can see. It's describing the firmament. Many ancients believed the "dome cosmology". Josephus, Theophilus of Antioch, Jews, Christians alike. I do not expect anyone to take my word for it, who am I?
I am merely saying Jesus warns us to "let no man deceive you", and I take that to heart. In my travels, looking out at the ocean, there should be a slight curve to the right and left, not just over the horizon. In my city on the clearest day you can see a lot farther than should be the case in an 8" per mile squared world. There are no no idols to uphold, no vested interest in either type cosmology to skew my research. The truth will do, whatever it is.
I believe as a society, we are being led down paths of deception rather than truth more than ever, generally speaking. We take way too much for granted, and have way too much pride to admit we've been wrong. Personally, I've changed a lot, especially in the past 5 years. I was wrong about a lot of things, and as I discover that I change my ways accordingly. Essentially, I'm having to unlearn the lies I was taught in school, and in church.
It takes some work to find the truth. Just like when Darwin's Theory was published, ( interesting story full of deception how they marketed that book), there was an outcry, there was huge ridicule, that today is virtually unknown. Same as when Copernicus came out with the globe model. There was outcry. Nowadays, the truth is subjective, and the victor writes the history.
I am merely saying Jesus warns us to "let no man deceive you", and I take that to heart. In my travels, looking out at the ocean, there should be a slight curve to the right and left, not just over the horizon. In my city on the clearest day you can see a lot farther than should be the case in an 8" per mile squared world. There are no no idols to uphold, no vested interest in either type cosmology to skew my research. The truth will do, whatever it is.
I believe as a society, we are being led down paths of deception rather than truth more than ever, generally speaking. We take way too much for granted, and have way too much pride to admit we've been wrong. Personally, I've changed a lot, especially in the past 5 years. I was wrong about a lot of things, and as I discover that I change my ways accordingly. Essentially, I'm having to unlearn the lies I was taught in school, and in church.
It takes some work to find the truth. Just like when Darwin's Theory was published, ( interesting story full of deception how they marketed that book), there was an outcry, there was huge ridicule, that today is virtually unknown. Same as when Copernicus came out with the globe model. There was outcry. Nowadays, the truth is subjective, and the victor writes the history.
i hardly think i need to bother with trying to 'prove the globe'
i'm hijacking. you should understand the observer effect, and how it reveals the invisible & eternal attributes and qualities of God, just as the scripture says creation does. and how the incompleteness theorem does the same thing. and uncertainty and Planck length, yes, and relativity, and the holographic principle too. the fact that there is no aether. pauli exclusion. entanglement. uniformity and dual nature. all these things, exactly how He made them, are for us to see, and regard Him.
flat earth has been thoroughly debunked 100,000 times. every time i see the sun rise or set, flat earth is immediately and irrevocably proven to be a myth. done. thread over. so i'd rather talk about the observer effect, and what its implications are - seeing as how you had it quite wrong, i thought it'd be great if you learned what it actually is, and then this thread might actually be worth something.
i'm hijacking. you should understand the observer effect, and how it reveals the invisible & eternal attributes and qualities of God, just as the scripture says creation does. and how the incompleteness theorem does the same thing. and uncertainty and Planck length, yes, and relativity, and the holographic principle too. the fact that there is no aether. pauli exclusion. entanglement. uniformity and dual nature. all these things, exactly how He made them, are for us to see, and regard Him.
flat earth has been thoroughly debunked 100,000 times. every time i see the sun rise or set, flat earth is immediately and irrevocably proven to be a myth. done. thread over. so i'd rather talk about the observer effect, and what its implications are - seeing as how you had it quite wrong, i thought it'd be great if you learned what it actually is, and then this thread might actually be worth something.
i'm hijacking, but not really.
see, i've read hundreds of flat threads. i've watched scores of videos. i've been having this discussion for more than 20 years. i actually have a lot of educational background in some of the things that are fundamentally important to evaluating proposed physical models. flat-ites have a whole lot of things very much wrong, and say a lot of very wrong things about physics. they typically just don't know what they're talking about: generally, if they weren't ignorant in this way, they'd never be able to sit through one of those indoctrination videos on youtube that they're always trying to get other ppl to watch. they'd see all the flaws in all the arguments, because they are ((some of them, anyway)) kind of clever arguments, relying on ignorance, so that they sound reasonable if you don't really understand what's being said. they seem possible if you have trouble visualizing systems in 3-d, but when you try to draw diagrams, they fall apart quickly. but who draws diagrams? ((i do; i'm weird)). the videos show you bad diagrams - but flat-believers don't recognize what's wrong with them, and flat-ites don't leave flatworld because they don't ever actually become knowledgeable about the things they are being deceived with: bad physics. lack of understanding and knowledge.
so it'd be great if you - who i came to this thread and found posting nonsense about the incompleteness theorem and the observer effect and what an axiom is - actually accepted correction and found out what those things really are, and how the truth is displayed through them. it'd give me hope that a flat-ite could actually overcome their ignorance and get out of this deceptive, conspiratorial, ignorant subculture they got indoctrinated into. it'd make the thread worth something, to me. plus they are a much more interesting topic imho, since flat earth is seriously not worth taking seriously at all.
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You've been having these discussions from a position that does not question, rather accepts what you've been told as truth.
One question. How does waves in the ocean travel? In water. Correct? How do sound waves, light travel? There has to be a medium in which they travel.
There is no aether, was a conclusion to prop all the other "theories".
Michelson Morley experiment proves there is aether. It defies common sense to claim otherwise, yet, we do not use our common sense do we? We just accept, parrot, and follow what men say we should. How did Einstein prove there was not an aether? He spoke it! You do realize that don't you? He spoke it, and the collective scientists breathed a sigh of relief, because it meant their lives had meaning after all. That's not science, that's a religion.
One question. How does waves in the ocean travel? In water. Correct? How do sound waves, light travel? There has to be a medium in which they travel.
There is no aether, was a conclusion to prop all the other "theories".
Michelson Morley experiment proves there is aether. It defies common sense to claim otherwise, yet, we do not use our common sense do we? We just accept, parrot, and follow what men say we should. How did Einstein prove there was not an aether? He spoke it! You do realize that don't you? He spoke it, and the collective scientists breathed a sigh of relief, because it meant their lives had meaning after all. That's not science, that's a religion.
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That's not quite right, the MM experiment proves the earth does not move, it was the Sagnac experiment that proves there is an aether. There are other such experiments conducted without prejudice around that time, that you will never hear about in most classrooms. The funding is not available, unless you follow Einstein's lead. Einstein had "thought experiments". Thought experiments. Let that sink in. "In theory" unless proven, is still theory.