First off, if you are not in Christ, then there is condemnation to you, and second, I never implied that if you don't have the faith that I do, that you are not saved. What I said is if you can't see the simple truth of what is written, then I question who you are of, which translates that I questioning your salvation. It is in either your ABILITY to SEE the truth of the word of faith, or your INABILITY to SEE it, NOT HOW MUCH faith one has.
I say ability, because Jesus said you shall know them by their fruit, and that those who are of the devil CANNOT HEAR God's word, which means they will not be able to see it either, but those who ARE OF God, will be able to both hear and see this truth. And I say that because, as the spirit is in us, so are we, for it is written, As Jesus is, so are we in this world.
God said His word can be used for correcting and/or reproving other, and so that is what I have been doing with the word of God.
Fruit is NOT signs and wonders, as I have already posted. It is the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23) and bearing fruit for the Kingdom, i.e. sharing the gospel leading to the salvation of souls.
I don't know where you got that "all about me" thing from, but I never said or implied that either. Even as my righteousness is not my own, neither is the faith I have. I know very well WHOSE FAITH IS IN ME. But at the same time, God tells us to exercise this faith He has given us, that we might do bigger and better things, not just for ourselves, but for others. Those who have little faith, center on themselves anyway, but those who have mature, start helping other.
The gospel is about God! Not about me! You even twist it by making it about "whose faith is in me." Just drop the me! Don't say me again, for a month. Then perhaps you will see how much of your false gospel is about "me" not about God.
God has given faith to EVERY man, a measure of faith. Yes, it is indeed a gift from God, but everyone has been given a measure of it. The question is, what are you going to do with it? Are you going to be like the lazy slothful servant who did nothing but hid his master's talent in the ground? Or are you going to be like the good and faithful servants who worked with what God gave them, that they might have more at His coming or when you meet Him?
The branches in Christ that bear no fruit, God takes away. The trees that bear no fruit, God commands them to be cut down. So what do you think I'm going to do with the talent God gave me. I'm going to work with what I have, that I might gain more for Jesus' glory, NOT mine. Getting someone healed is glory and a testament to God, not myself, because I'm not the one doing the work. Jesus is.
Yes, well, I already quoted John 15. Large sections of it. Who are you to question what I am doing for God? What are you doing for God but leading people astray with your false and unbiblical doctrine!? You have no idea what I do in my life for God, or that my life is totally devoted to not just serving God, but his people. Take your condemnation elsewhere! You have no idea the years I have studied to show myself a worker approved, the hours I spend preparing sermons, teaching, and leading worship. To say nothing of community outreach. But, even if I didn't do these things, I pray a lot. God calls us to be prayer warriors. Are you a prayer warrior? I don't know, I'm just asking. Just don't assume that my first love isn't God. If you studied and understood the Bible, you would never say these poisonous things!
Why not deny what you are suffering?
Do you see denying what you are suffering, as believing or confessing a lie?
If you do, then that is one reason, among many, why you cannot be healed.
One reason why I do get healed, but not 100% of the time yet, is BECAUSE I deny or refuse to accept what I have been suffering from.
Have you not read what the scriptures say?
Luk 8:17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
Luk 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
Not really sure where to break in here. These 2 verses follow after the Parable of the Sower, my favourite parable. It is about bearing fruit. And we bear fruit by sharing the gospel of God, not WoF.
You have obviously not been listening to me. I got sick with Rheumatoid Arthritis in 1997, and by 1998, a bunch of my Pentecostal friends had become Word of Faith. They came to me, preached their gospel of health and wealth, and said I could be healed if I believed. Great! So they prayed over me, I claimed healing. And nothing! And then after a time had passed, they started condemning me because I wasn't healed! I didn't have enough faith, although God was my life.
Deny the pain and suffering, of severe Rheumatoid Arthritis? Yep, they told me to do that! They told me not to "claim RA, but healing." So I claimed, they told me to believe and get up and walk, but I was a still bed ridden. Unlike when Jesus told people on pallets to get up and walk, and they could because Jesus had already healed them. They didn't walk, then they were healed, they were healed and then walked. Just be grateful you do not have this disease, since you don't seem to like suffering!
So, your verses in English, in context, and what they are about.
"[FONT="]“Now the parable means this: The seed is the word of God. [/FONT][FONT="]12 Those along the path are the ones who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. [/FONT][FONT="]13 Those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in a time of testing fall away. [/FONT][FONT="]14 As for the seed that fell among thorns, these are the ones who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by the worries and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not mature. [/FONT][FONT="]15 But as for the seed that landed on good soil, these are the ones who, after hearing the word, cling to it with an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with steadfast endurance.[/FONT][FONT="]16 “No one lights a lamp and then covers it with a jar or puts it under a bed, but puts it on a lampstand so that those who come in can see the light. 17 For nothing is hidden that will not be revealed, and nothing concealed that will not be made known and brought to light. 18 So listen carefully, for whoever has will be given more, but whoever does not have, even what he thinks he has will be taken from him.” Luke 8:11-18
None of these verses, or any of the rest of the verses are about healing! Read the Bible, instead of reading the words of false teachers and listening to sound bite youtube videos. NO HEALING mentioned in those verses! [/FONT]
How can you have something you don't have and not have something you do?
And what shall be given or taken away?
Again, here is another law of faith.
Before you get something you must first have it, and before you can have something taken away, you must first NOT have it.
I would like to focus on the latter half of that verse because I use it to get rid of sicknesses and diseases. And yes, it is a process that for most, takes time, including myself.
I could give some personal testimonies but I would prefer to explain this law.
I would like to first point out that whatever IT is that we don't have, is not written. I would suggest that it was written that way because it is "whatsoever" you choose not to have, which would most likely be something YOU don't like.
I personally don't like sicknesses or diseases. I don't do very well with either.
Another thing I would like to point out is, just because you see or feel something in your body, doesn't mean that it is or that it is there. But even if it was, according to this law, when we reject whatsoever "IT" is, IT has to be removed, eradicated, or taken away.
So yes, deny the cursed thing's right to be in your body, without any doubt, and it will go. It has to. It is not of God, but of the devil, and if we resist the lies of the devil, and both sicknesses and diseases are lies of the devil, the devil, along with the lie has to leave or be taken away.
Denial as in lie?? Because, you are telling me to lie about the truth. God tells us to follow the truth. You are the very reason Jesus said this:
"Sighing deeply in his spirit he said, “Why does this generation look for a sign? I tell you the truth, no sign will be given to this generation.” Mark 8:12
But the real issue is denial is LYING! Jesus tells us to worship in spirit and truth.
"God is spirit, and the people who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:24[FONT="]
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You tell me to lie? Now you have really exposed the lie of the whole Word Faith movement. Show me in one places in the Bible where God tells us to lie about our condition!!
First, you took what I said out of context, which I wrote about above, and second, I would like you to show me what I took bits and pieces out of context to make what Paul calls, "the word of faith", so that it overrides everything else in the bible.
I find that it AGREES WITH everything in the bible, not the reverse.
Sorry to hear that, but do you mean like what you accused me of doing, and what you are doing to me now?
I understand you see me as trying to propagate a lie of the devil, but because of the pain you suffered at the hands of other ignorant WOFers, you won't event look at what the scriptures say that I have shown repeatedly.
I looked at the real Scriptures about what the Bible says 20 years ago. After I walked away. God is my strength, my righteousness, my comfort, my help. The Holy Spirit is my comforter, the encourager who leads me every day closer to God. Long before you misquoted a single verse.
Do you even know what context is?? It is the verses before and after in the chapter, it is the chapter, it is the book, the Testament and the whole Bible. But most of all, it is Jesus! That is context!
I am glad to hear that you turned to Jesus to be succored.
You are not the first one to try to lay a curse of sickness unto death on me, and I doubt you'll be the last, but to let you know, I already wrote of a lung disease that came on me, that I have been fighting.
A death curse! Are you kidding!
Yes indeed, are you surprised?
I don't know what it was but I certainly rejected it and commanded it to go, and thanked Jesus for removing it.
I don't know what it was, because I never went to the doctors to have it checked out, but I will tell you, I though I was going to die at first.
Yup, lost faith in God for a little bit, but then got it back.
But to answer some question you might have-
Do I still have symptoms of the disease?
Some days yes, and some days no. It depends on how hard I go at it.
Do I still have the disease?
Absolutely NOT!!!
How can I say that?
Well first off, because I don't have it, just like I told you, and according to the word of God, whatsoever I don't have, will eventually be taken from me.
And like all the other things I got healed of and from, the symptoms WILL eventually leave.
It may take some time like some of the other things did, but I KNOW it will go, because I ask, I also know what the will of God is concerning sicknesses and diseases, I also know what faith is and how it works, and because I don't have it.
I hope I covered all the condemning questions you might have.
But to answer another one.
I WILL NOT DIE NOR BE OVERCOME by any sickness or disease, because again, Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil, and if that's what He came to do, then that is what is done to all the works of the devil in me, even as it is written, by whose stripes I WAS healed, it is already done, I just have to, accept Jesus' work on the cross of/for baring and taking the cures of the law of sin and death in His own body on the cross for me, and reject the devil's.
But if I do nothing or hope God will do something, I KNOW NOTHING will happen.
I think you can see that, even though I still have symptoms, I do not have a victim mentality, but more of a militant one.
That is because the word of God is my sword, and Jesus is my strength to resist the devil, by fight back.
Ok! Isa. 53:5d Totally out of context. Read the whole book of Isaiah. It is about deliverance from sin. Isaiah was sinful, Israel was sinful, but a Saviour who would deliver them from the stripes of sin sickness would come, whose name is Jesus. I wrote a lot about this before, perhaps I will repost it for you. The most out of context verse in the whole Bible for WoFers!
No need to pray that I be like you. It's NOT going to happen.
As I have said many times in the past, I can't not know what I know.
Or to put it another way, if I cannot not see this truth, how is it that you can or are able to?
And to set another record straight, Jesus is my everything.
I was thinking it was "word" that held those definitions. It was sword, huh?