The King James Bible

[fredoheaven]

For the record, Strong is NOT unbiased. Strong built his concordance/dictionary on the usage of words in the KJV, not in the original languages. When it comes to comparing one translation against another, there could not be a more biased source of information!

I should understand your point of view, though Strong built primarily on concordance, an index for every word in the 1611 English Bible known as KJV and not lexicon/dictionary. My Cruden’s Concordance unlike Strong is not an easy reference in the Bible word usage for the KJV so I go to Strong but not my final authority. For the record , Strong was a member of the Revision Committee for the Westcott and Hort English Bible and the ASV as well, so that I considered Strong in the list as non-biased source of my information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Strong_(theologian)

Thanks,

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

More nonsense. For over 300 years that was the leading & sole English language Bible all around the world. But if you wish to ignore the most faithful and accurate translation that is your loss.

As to "God's message to mankind" the Trinitarian Bible Society has made it their mandate that every language will have a translation which is equivalent to the Authorized Version. They are unequivocally committed to the traditional Hebrew and Greek texts as well as the KJB. They have also published dozens of pamphlets exposing the corruptions in the modern versions.


http://www.tbsbibles.org

I'm not going to be dismissed by your arrogant claims. I am not speaking nonsense. This is 2018. You can't lumber a generation with adherence to traditions of men. You are bogged down with a religious dogma of the past and you would burden others with the same. Why can't you be happy enough to read the KJV without trying to force it on others?

Leave claims that the Bible has been corrupted to the Muslims. Would you have a world where The Word of God is taken away from the common people again? That is not God's plan.

 

[hornetguy]

The post of mine which you quoted showed very clearly that there was no error. Every English translation showed the same words. So your just made a false accusation, and even in general "and can have translation errors" is a false accusation. Just keep in mind that you will be held accountable to every false accusation.

I somehow expected a clap of thunder after reading this.....

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

More nonsense. For over 300 years that was the leading & sole English language Bible all around the world. But if you wish to ignore the most faithful and accurate translation that is your loss.

Another point. Why are you saying that I am ignoring it? I have one. I read it and consult it sometimes. How many times must I declare that I am not on a mission to snuff out the KJV? You are going OTT with this whole issue.

 

[MarcR]

I should understand your point of view, though Strong built primarily on concordance, an index for every word in the 1611 English Bible known as KJV and not lexicon/dictionary. My Cruden’s Concordance unlike Strong is not an easy reference in the Bible word usage for the KJV so I go to Strong but not my final authority. For the record , Strong was a member of the Revision Committee for the Westcott and Hort English Bible and the ASV as well, so that I considered Strong in the list as non-biased source of my information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Strong_(theologian)

Thanks,

While I disagree with your KJVO position, I respect you as one of the few who articulately defend your position without twisting meanings or subterfuge.

 

[Joseppi]

This does not reconcile with either the Hebrew or with the English. In Genesis 1:1, the verb is bara - "created". In verse 7, where the "firmament" appears between the waters, the verb is wayya'as- "made", not "created". They are different concepts. Further, the firmament between the waters is where both the birds and the "great lights" are placed. God only made this one "heaven" - the one between the waters. That leaves two....

"Created" is plural because, in the beginning God created two things; namely, the heaven and the earth.

Your argument that later in the chapter God made a firmament proves that you realize that the original heaven was reordered so that rather than one heaven there became two more heavens.

As for you claiming that God didn't create the firmament required for a plurality of heavens, I don't change the text in English so it reads as I wish it would.
If you think the firmament was made then what is it made of?
Create is used to express the coming into existence of a thing not made of pre-existing things.

 

[Dino246]

"Created" is plural because, in the beginning God created two things; namely, the heaven and the earth.

I didn't say anything about the plurality of the verb; I demonstrated the fact that the verbs are different. One is "created" - ex nihilo; the other is "made" - a reordering of already-created matter. Your post to which I was responding claimed that God "created" one heaven in verse 1 and "created" two other heavens later in the chapter. God only "created" in the first verse. After that, He "made". You aren't going to get away with arguing the exactitude of terminology in one place, and disregarding it in another where it's inconvenient to your position.

Your argument that later in the chapter God made a firmament proves that you realize that the original heaven was reordered so that rather than one heaven there became two more heavens.

Reordered, yes. "Created" later in the chapter, no. The text simply does not support the idea that God made two more heavens later in Genesis 1. Paul clearly declares there are (at least) three. One is missing from your premise.

As for you claiming that God didn't create the firmament required for a plurality of heavens, I don't change the text in English so it reads as I wish it would.

You're free to prefer the English text as written, but implying a moral superiority for it is logically untenable, arrogant, and unfounded. You are unable to demonstrate that your position is correct based on anything other than your preference for the text of the KJV.

If you think the firmament was made then what is it made of? Create is used to express the coming into existence of a thing not made of pre-existing things.

Frankly, this question is irrelevant. The Bible says that God "made" the firmament, not that He "created" it.

 

[Joseppi]

The KJV removes that Christ received a body as a sacrifice:

"Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:"
Heb 10:5, KJV

The verse quoted tells you that this is a quote of Jesus Christ when he came into the world.
It isn't a quote of David before Christ came into the world.

Jesus Christ slain before the foundation of the world.

 

[Joseppi]

I didn't say anything about the plurality of the verb; I demonstrated the fact that the verbs are different. One is "created" - ex nihilo; the other is "made" - a reordering of already-created matter. Your post to which I was responding claimed that God "created" one heaven in verse 1 and "created" two other heavens later in the chapter. God only "created" in the first verse. After that, He "made". You aren't going to get away with arguing the exactitude of terminology in one place, and disregarding it in another where it's inconvenient to your position.



Reordered, yes. "Created" later in the chapter, no. The text simply does not support the idea that God made two more heavens later in Genesis 1. Paul clearly declares there are (at least) three. One is missing from your premise.



You're free to prefer the English text as written, but implying a moral superiority for it is logically untenable, arrogant, and unfounded. You are unable to demonstrate that your position is correct based on anything other than your preference for the text of the KJV.



Frankly, this question is irrelevant. The Bible says that God "made" the firmament, not that He "created" it.

The Holy Bible tells the truth.
I don't expect people that change words whenever they like to agree with truth.
I said from the first, my approach is show what the Holy Bible says, if and when, posters present falsehoods.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Any bible is the holy bible.

 

[Dino246]

The Holy Bible tells the truth.
I don't expect people that change words whenever they like to agree with truth.
I said from the first, my approach is show what the Holy Bible says, if and when, posters present falsehoods.

As I stated, this has nothing to do with "whenever they like", and your repeated mention of it suggests either that you aren't paying attention or that you aren't giving careful thought to anything other than your agenda.

Your position seems to be, "I don't care what any other translation or any person says, they're wrong if they don't agree fully with the exact wording of the KJV". You're welcome to that view, but it doesn't stand up to any sort of examination. Repeated use of terms such as "falsehoods" on such a premise is simply invalid.

 

[hornetguy]

As I stated, this has nothing to do with "whenever they like", and your repeated mention of it suggests either that you aren't paying attention or that you aren't giving careful thought to anything other than your agenda.

Your position seems to be, "I don't care what any other translation or any person says, they're wrong if they don't agree fully with the exact wording of the KJV". You're welcome to that view, but it doesn't stand up to any sort of examination. Repeated use of terms such as "falsehoods" on such a premise is simply invalid.

Not only invalid, but it also seems to fit pretty well with Nehemiah's admonition....

So your just made a false accusation, and even in general "and can have translation errors" is a false accusation. Just keep in mind that you will be held accountable to every false accusation.

 

[Joseppi]

Your position seems to be, "I don't care what any other translation or any person says, they're wrong if they don't agree fully with the exact wording of the KJV".

My position is as I stated. The Holy Bible corrects; lies, errors and misunderstandings, and so, let it do its job.

 

[posthuman]

My position is as I stated. The Holy Bible corrects; lies, errors and misunderstandings, and so, let it do its job.

so,

Philip answered him, Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little.
(John 6:7)​

your position is that "200 denarii" is a lie, error, and misunderstanding, and the KJV corrects Phillip here, because the truth is that he actually meant to say $2 worth of bread, not 2/3 of a year's wages?

and the reason/explanation is 'because the KJV says so' ?

 

[SovereignGrace]

so,

Philip answered him, Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little.
(John 6:7)​

your position is that "200 denarii" is a lie, error, and misunderstanding, and the KJV corrects Phillip here, because the truth is that he actually meant to say $2 worth of bread, not 2/3 of a year's wages?

and the reason/explanation is 'because the KJV says so' ?

#KJVOlogic

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

What makes it the Word of God, is because satan did not create it, and satan tried to destroy it, and God protected it from satan, and God preserved it to even this day.

Who created the NIV? A group of people did. This group of people are they from the last days generation? Did this group of people take thought that what has SAVED people for over 400 years needed to be CHANGED? Updated? Corrected? Yes they did, that is why they did it. So then something that has Saved souls for hundreds of years, they thought needed to be Changed. Apparently they did not think the KJV was sufficient enough, because they felt the need to make a BETTER version, did they not?

Is the NIV evil or wicked. God forbid. The NIV has brought so many people to the Lord in the last days, and any version that can save souls can't be a bad version. Even the ghetto Bible can actually save souls and is not a bad version. But are they the Word of God? No. Did God ordain them? No. satan is the author of confusion, that is why there are hundreds of different versions, this is not of God but a tactic of satan to cause confusion within the Body. Are they the Word of God? No, they are indeed interpretations of men and what they deem the Bible to mean to them. The KJV is the Word of God.

Now if a KJV Bible sits on a TV gathering dust, it has no POWER at all, now does it. Even if a person dusts it off and reads it, and then puts it back on the TV to gather even more dust, has no POWER at all either. The Power comes from the FAITH that comes from within a person.

Is there Power in the KJV? No
Is there Power in the NIV? No
Can a person gain Faith by reading those versions? Yes, and therein lies the Power.

The NIV is a good version of the Bible, but, and if there ever arises a dispute from a verse in the NIV verses the same verse in the KJV, the KJV is to be accepted as TRUTH over that of any other version of the Bible that the last days generation has come up with.

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DiscipleDave

Very interesting.

Could you please cite sources for all the statements you made? I would like to study your belief.

Source: Spirit of Truth.

If you Truly want to study this belief. Then be like the Bereans. Search out the Scriptures and first determine if anything that i say above is contrary to Scriptures, that is the first step.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

I like the KJV, but, the KJV onlies get no respect from me - they ain't right in the head.

And that's being kind.

i hear ya. Do you know who gets no respect from me. Those who claim that Jesus is the Lord and Savior, but knowingly and willingly obey His enemy and commit sin. Hypocrites they are. Calling Jesus "Lord" but obeying His enemy. Your Master is to whom you choose to obey. These choose to obey satan, know full well it is sinful, yet does it anyways, i know who their master is.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

They even have ghetto versions that call women Hoes, and Bit*hes.

Don't follow every wind of doctrine. Other versions are fine for bringing people to the Lord. But always compare your version to the Word of God the KJV.


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DiscipleDave

Everything said above is TRUE. Yet this is a response that i get in return:

I don't have a ghetto version, and any bible that would have hoes and bitc#es in it, ppl would know is not a reliable one to read.

You guys resort to these lows just to exalt a King James VERSION.

Oh the hypocrisy of it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't have a ghetto version, and any bible that would have hoes and bitc#es in it, ppl would know is not a reliable one to read.

Unless you lived in the ghetto, and could understand its language, right? What? The Ghetto version could not bring someone who lived in the ghetto, to the Lord? Really? Are YOU not now saying the Ghetto version is evil? How then are you not a hypocrite yourself? Are you not putting down other versions of the Bible?

You guys resort to these lows just to exalt a King James VERSION.

i have not exalted the KJV. i have plainly taught that any version that can bring a person to the Lord can't be a bad version. You are now indicating that you think there is a bad version of the Bible, are you not?

Oh the hypocrisy of it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i agree. You condemn others for putting down other versions of the Bible, then you yourself condemn a version of the Bible. How is that not hypocrisy?

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave said 400+ years. satan tried to get rid of the KJV. and God did not allow satan to succeed. So satan then realized if he can't get rid of the KJV the next best thing would be to come up with hundreds of different versions of the Bible and have people call those versions the Word of God.

oh, really? Did Satan tell you this himself, personally?

Nope God did.

Or is this simply a dreamed up conspiracy in your mind to help promote your translation worship?

Who told you that i desire translation worship? If this is NOT TRUE, then who did that come from God or satan? Have i not plainly said and taught that any version that can bring a person to the Lord Jesus Christ can't be a bad version. How then do you now think that i desire to help promote my translation worship? Who is whispering those lies to you?
The Holy Ghost whispers to a person things that are TRUE, things that are Righteous.
satan whispers to a person things that are lies, not true.
If then you are accusing me of things that i have never said nor do i believe, who then is whispering to you that i desire such things or believe such things? Would it not have been better to merely ask me "Dave, is _____________ what you believe?" or "Dave are you saying ____________ is what you think?" But what do i get instead, you flat out accuse me of dreaming up a conspiracy in my mind to help promote my translation worship? Which thing i have not done nor believe. i forgive you though for this lie against me.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

The Bible itself is nothing but wood and ink. Even the KJV is but wood and ink. When the Words are written on our hearts, is when it becomes the Word of God. But when people start talking such things like, oh you can't put the Bible on the floor, then they have indeed made the Bible an idol, as if the book itself was something to be worshiped or placed on a pedestal. The Word of God is powerful, the Book is not.



Just because you believe this does not make it True. speaking against a book, whether other versions, or even the KJV, is not what is against God.



Do you think the power came from the Book or from the Faith that was in you?
The Book holds no power at all, it is but a mere book, man-made, made of wood and ink. The power did not come from the Book, but from the Faith that you had inside of you. It does not matter if it were the NIV, the ghetto version, the KJV. it is the Faith that gives you the power of God, not any of the Books made of paper and ink.



Again, the Power is not in the Book, but in the Faith of what the Book says.
A book can tell you that Jesus is the Son of God, just because a book tells you that, does not give that book power. Now when a person reads that, and then FAITH happens inside of them, and they believe that Jesus is the Son of God. It is the Faith that Saved them, NOT the book which merely informed them about Jesus Christ.

The Word is NOT powerful. Believing in what the Word says, now that is Powerful.

That verse that you have used so many times, you would still believe that in your heart, regardless if you are holding your NIV in your hand. The Power is within us, NOT in that Book.



The Power does not come from the Book, but it comes from YOU. The Book only reveals to you what is TRUE, it is what is inside of you, that grants that belief power. Again. Power is within us, not in a book. KJV or otherwise.

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DiscipleDave

I have neither the time nor the inclination to go point by point on your rant, but it's basically all wrong.

Yeah much easier to just falsely accuse then to actually try to help me in what you think i am wrong about.

The word of God IS the power, not your faith in it. The word of God is the sword of the Holy Spirit... hardly just ink and paper. There is power and truth in the word of God.... my belief or faith in it neither adds nor detracts from that power.

lol. Let me see if i understand what you are saying. if a Bible is on an island and there is not a person on that island at all, that Bible has Power? Really that is what you think. What Power does that Bible on that island have exactly?
You do error. That Bible has no power at all, until someone picks it up and reads it. And if a person picks it up and reads it and does not believe a word of it and throws it back down, that Bible had no power at all on that person now did it? But if a person picks up that Bible and reads it and starts to believe what he/she is reading, than and only then does it have any power at all. And it is not the Book itself that had the power, but the power came from the person who started to believe what they were reading.
lol a book made of paper and ink having power, idle worship in its finest.

You would do well to understand what Jesus said when the woman touched Him and was Healed. Jesus did NOT heal her. He even testified that it was her Faith that healed her, it was her belief that healed her, NOT JESUS. The Bible is a book, it is the belief in that Book that makes it powerful.

Many people are healed by a Statue of Mother Mary, Do you think the healing comes from the Statue itself, or from the belief of the person who believes they will be healed by the statue.

Does the Word of God Save a person, or does belief in the Word of God save a person? The Book does nothing, it has no power, until someone believes in it, then it has Power.

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DiscipleDave