Baptism: is it required to be baptized in water?

[FlyingDove]

Baptism & Salvation

Baptism:

Mark 1:8 John the Baptist said; I indeed have baptized you with water: but Christ shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit.
(NOTE: John baptized with water. Christ is the only one that can baptise with the Holy Spirit)

Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
(NOTE: John's baptism didn't, saved anyone, nor did it cover or removed 1 single sin. Only Faith in the redemptive sin atoning BLOOD sacrifice of Christ can save remove sin)

Water baptism is a requirment for the believers growth & spiritual maturity in Christ. Not a requirement for salvation.

Emblem: A symbolic representation of a particular quality or concept.

Water Baptism is an emblem. Where you make a public statement/commitment to Godly service. In the name of Father, Son & Holy Spirit:

I will DIE to self, next you are SUBMERGED (an emblem of being buried) then you RISE (an emblem of resurrection life)

Water baptism provides the believer with the ability to produce good fruit/works

John 12:24 Jesus said; Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground & "die" it abideth alone "but if it die" "it bringeth forth much fruit"

Believers are unable to produce good/godly fruit/works until they have partaken in the emblem of Christ's death, burial & resurrection

Salvation:

Col 2:10 You are complete (perfect) in Christ, which is the head of all principality and power:

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the ""circumcision made without hands"" in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

(Only Christ can perform the circumcision/covenant, spiritual surgery of baptism. Done by His Holy Spirit without hands & without water)

1 Cor 12:13 For by "one" Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

(Translators capitalized SPIRIT, showing deity. By one Spirit "ALL" are baptized into one body. (the Body of Christ) ALL are made to drink into one Spirit.)

By one Spirit = the Holy Spirit we are baptised into the Body of Christ. Only Christ can perform the spiritual surgery. Circumcision/covenant of baptism into His Body. Done in/with/by the Holy Spirit without hands & without water.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism

Ephesians 4:30 Grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are ""sealed until the day of redemption"".
(NOTE: The Holy Spirit that Christ baptises with is a called a SEAL here, 2 Cor 1:22 & Eph 1:13)

Salvation is a finished transaction, as seen by the fact that it's described with "past tense" verbs. (Jn 1:12, Eph. 1:13)

Eph 2:8 (A) For by grace are ye saved through faith

We access Gods Grace thru Faith (Rom 5:2) placed in Christ's finished redemptive sin atoning sacrificial work. Found in Christ's death (sins wage paid in full), burial & resurrection (God's receipt, payment receive & accepted). Then God imputes/transfers Christ's righteousness onto us & transfers/imputes our sins onto Christ. See this process in Lev 4 & Rom 4:22-24)

 

[DJ2]

Are you suggesting God didn't have anything to do with Romans 10:9-10 ?

Here is another example of your reasoning. Because something is written in the general does not mean it is not valid. Of course Romans 10:9-10 is of God but it is not all of what God said. Remember, Satan labeled a true but general scripture (Luke 4:10-11) as definitive. Jesus saw the ruse and presented a more definitive verse in rebuttal. I am not calling you Satan but this is what you are doing.

"There is no need for baptism. Did God not say, "believe in your heart and confess with your mouth and you will be saved."

 

[garee]

Here is another example of your reasoning. Because something is written in the general does not mean it is not valid. Of course Romans 10:9-10 is of God but it is not all of what God said. Remember, Satan labeled a true but general scripture (Luke 4:10-11) as definitive. Jesus saw the ruse and presented a more definitive verse in rebuttal. I am not calling you Satan but this is what you are doing.

"There is no need for baptism. Did God not say, "believe in your heart and confess with your mouth and you will be saved."

I think it is the result of not recognizing a cerimoinal law when one is in view . They serve as shadows of that not seen as carnal ordinances, they as the temporal, point the the unseen, eternal .

 

[Donmech]

What you should notice is that the examples in your line of reasoning is not written in the definitive, hence my mocking. You are presenting Romans 10:9-10 as an all-encompassing verse which it clearly is not. Nothing in its verbiage would imply a definitive case. The letter was written to a saved body of believers not potential Christians searching for the plan of salvation.

i mocked your post because you were attempting to present an incomplete understanding of the gospel. You have no authority to use the words of Paul as definitive in nature, if he wanted it that way he simply would have written it that way.

If any one cares to read a detailed study of baptismal regeneration please click the this link, every COC false teaching concerning baptism has been addressed with clarity: Refuting the Doctrine of Baptismal Regeneration

 

[Magenta]

What you should notice is that the examples in your line of reasoning is not written in the definitive, hence my mocking. You are presenting Romans 10:9-10 as an all-encompassing verse which it clearly is not. Nothing in its verbiage would imply a definitive case. The letter was written to a saved body of believers not potential Christians searching for the plan of salvation.

i mocked your post because you were attempting to present an incomplete understanding of the gospel. You have no authority to use the words of Paul as definitive in nature, if he wanted it that way he simply would have written it that way.

Please tell us which letters were written to non-believers.

 

[DJ2]

Please tell us which letters were written to non-believers.

Don't know. But Paul refers to the body at Rome as brothers and sisters. Are you implying otherwise?

Is that the best you have?

 

[DJ2]

If any one cares to read a detailed study of baptismal regeneration please click the this link, every COC false teaching concerning baptism has been addressed with clarity: Refuting the Doctrine of Baptismal Regeneration

If you need a "detailed study" to refute what is clearly taught, it should give you pause to think.

 

[DJ2]

I think it is the result of not recognizing a cerimoinal law when one is in view . They serve as shadows of that not seen as carnal ordinances, they as the temporal, point the the unseen, eternal .

Regardless of its nature, a command with promise (Acts 2:38) cannot be ignored without the forfeiture of the promise.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Regardless of its nature, a command with promise (Acts 2:38) cannot be ignored without the forfeiture of the promise.

It can not be twisted to mean something it does not mean either. Yet you keep doing it.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Is it required to be baptized in water?

I shudder to think what else we could be baptized in.

#bah-dum-pish

 

[Donmech]

If you need a "detailed study" to refute what is clearly taught, it should give you pause to think.

I do not consider what you are espousing as "clearly taught", nor do I expect you to understand plain truth when you have been indoctrinated by the Church of Christ Cambellite system. I didn't say any body needed a detailed study, however, if one wants to expand their knowledge, a detailed study couldn't hurt. Are you afraid that someone might learn something that refutes your works based salvation?

 

[DJ2]

I do not consider what you are espousing as "clearly taught", nor do I expect you to understand plain truth when you have been indoctrinated by the Church of Christ Cambellite system. I didn't say any body needed a detailed study, however, if one wants to expand their knowledge, a detailed study couldn't hurt. Are you afraid that someone might learn something that refutes your works based salvation?

By no means, read what you want to be true. If you desire I can supply studies that refute faith alone regeneration theology. If you want to expand your knowledge, that is.

By the way, since you are into slurs, I am more of a Stoneite. What have you been indoctrinated into? Wait let me guess, you are free of all influences other than the Bible.

 

[Donmech]

Slurs, what slurs? Are you referring to Being labeled a Cambellite? If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's a duck. You should be proud of your Cambellite heratage you certainly believe and push Mr. Cambell's teaching on baptismal regeneration.

 

[DJ2]

Slurs, what slurs? Are you referring to Being labeled a Cambellite? If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's a duck. You should be proud of your Cambellite heratage you certainly believe and push Mr. Cambell's teaching on baptismal regeneration.

Yes, that is the slur that I am speaking of. When pinned in a corner many will resort to slurs, you are just a little more honest about it.

 

[Donmech]

Yes, that is the slur that I am speaking of. When pinned in a corner many will resort to slurs, you are just a little more honest about it.[/QUOT
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Let me say this, I want to appolajize to you the more these debates rage on pride begins to creep in and no real good comes from slugging back and forth. I'm sure you are kind genuine individual. I believe your theology is wrong but that should not steer my comments to insults or hurt someone. If you have been offended by my Cambellite comments, I sincerely apologize and ask your forgiveness. Thank you sir.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Is it required to be baptized in water?

I shudder to think what else we could be baptized in.

#bah-dum-pish

John the baptist said Jesus would baptize in fire, and this fire would never be quenched. and all these people want to worry about is baptism in water,

 

[preston39]

Baptism & Salvation

Baptism:

Mark 1:8 John the Baptist said; I indeed have baptized you with water: but Christ shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit.
(NOTE: John baptized with water. Christ is the only one that can baptise with the Holy Spirit)

Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
(NOTE: John's baptism didn't, saved anyone, nor did it cover or removed 1 single sin. Only Faith in the redemptive sin atoning BLOOD sacrifice of Christ can save remove sin)

Water baptism is a requirment for the believers growth & spiritual maturity in Christ. Not a requirement for salvation.

Emblem: A symbolic representation of a particular quality or concept.

Water Baptism is an emblem. Where you make a public statement/commitment to Godly service. In the name of Father, Son & Holy Spirit:

I will DIE to self, next you are SUBMERGED (an emblem of being buried) then you RISE (an emblem of resurrection life)

Water baptism provides the believer with the ability to produce good fruit/works

John 12:24 Jesus said; Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground & "die" it abideth alone "but if it die" "it bringeth forth much fruit"

Believers are unable to produce good/godly fruit/works until they have partaken in the emblem of Christ's death, burial & resurrection

Salvation:

Col 2:10 You are complete (perfect) in Christ, which is the head of all principality and power:

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the ""circumcision made without hands"" in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

(Only Christ can perform the circumcision/covenant, spiritual surgery of baptism. Done by His Holy Spirit without hands & without water)

1 Cor 12:13 For by "one" Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

(Translators capitalized SPIRIT, showing deity. By one Spirit "ALL" are baptized into one body. (the Body of Christ) ALL are made to drink into one Spirit.)

By one Spirit = the Holy Spirit we are baptised into the Body of Christ. Only Christ can perform the spiritual surgery. Circumcision/covenant of baptism into His Body. Done in/with/by the Holy Spirit without hands & without water.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism

Ephesians 4:30 Grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are ""sealed until the day of redemption"".
(NOTE: The Holy Spirit that Christ baptises with is a called a SEAL here, 2 Cor 1:22 & Eph 1:13)

Salvation is a finished transaction, as seen by the fact that it's described with "past tense" verbs. (Jn 1:12, Eph. 1:13)

Eph 2:8 (A) For by grace are ye saved through faith

We access Gods Grace thru Faith (Rom 5:2) placed in Christ's finished redemptive sin atoning sacrificial work. Found in Christ's death (sins wage paid in full), burial & resurrection (God's receipt, payment receive & accepted). Then God imputes/transfers Christ's righteousness onto us & transfers/imputes our sins onto Christ. See this process in Lev 4 & Rom 4:22-24)

F...,

You are just wrong...baptism is required for completion of the cleansing of sin process....even Christ said so.... What is it of this you do not understand;

"Repent and be baptized in order to receive the Holy spirit".

"Go though out the world and baptize in the name of The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit....."et al.

Those are directive writings which must be accepted in their own.

This is a new age religion argument that began in the...oh...sixties. Before that it was never questioned. The Bible does not change ...people do. his is an example...for convenience.

 

[p_rehbein]

For salvation? No.

As an act of obedience to Jesus Christ? Yes.

 

[hornetguy]

F...,

You are just wrong...baptism is required for completion of the cleansing of sin process....even Christ said so.... What is it of this you do not understand;

"Repent and be baptized in order to receive the Holy spirit".

"Go though out the world and baptize in the name of The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit....."et al.

Those are directive writings which must be accepted in their own.

This is a new age religion argument that began in the...oh...sixties. Before that it was never questioned. The Bible does not change ...people do. his is an example...for convenience.

Yes, I don't understand this... water baptism has been taught and practiced by nearly all Christians since Pentecost... up until the marvelously enlightened folks in the 1800's or so.

It's amazing that from the apostles down to that point, everyone had it WRONG. I suppose it took a LOT of "detailed study" to be able to parse out the fact that the only thing necessary is belief. It takes an effort to dismiss out of hand the direct instructions from Jesus himself, and the apostles.

 

[preston39]

For salvation? No.

As an act of obedience to Jesus Christ? Yes.

p...,

You are taking on a big challenge;

Show me in scripture where baptism is not required...... and explain to me why Christ was baptized.:

[FONT=&quot]21 The like figure whereunto [/FONT]even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

[FONT=&quot]5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [/FONT]of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God,

et al... to list.

All related teachings in scriptures must be put in context when studying to render a proper conclusion.