How To Be Un-Saved

[joefizz]

Anyone who would think "less" of you for sharing your testimony is probably the one who needs to hear it the most. Just saying.

Yep you never know what person may need to hear a testimony or message.

 

[BillG]

I just wanted to let ya'll know that pretty soon I'm gonna share my testimony, please don't think less of me, I just feel I need to share it, maybe it will help someone.

Share it brother.
Do not be afraid to do so.
I'm sure that most of us here will not think less of you.
And I'm sure most of here know what your heart is . . I do.
Just so you know I will not think less of you.

 

[LoveGodForever]

If people get unsaved, then it has to be Jesus' fault!

God's not big enough to keep them saved!

If God can't keep everybody, then He's a liar!

We're eternally saved, no matter what we do!

That means once we do our one-time believe Jesus thing, I can now do whatever I want & still go to heaven!

Now I can do whatever I want, or refuse to do anything God wants me to do!

I can fight on CC & name call & mock all my opponents!

I can rebel from God & still go to heaven!

There is no falling away for christians, even though the Bible says so!

All those warnings in the NT are not for me, cuz my salvation can't be touched, not even by me! I dunno why the apostles wrote them.......

All of those warnings in the epistles are written to gnostics, Judiazers, fake christians & all the other sinners. None of them was written to the church, because they're automatically going to heaven.

Sinners are the ones falling away into apostasy.

All those falling away are fake christians.

There's no such thing as a christian backslider.

All who are showing evidence of faith with works are deluded & legalists & are going to Hell even though everybody who made their one-time decision of faith are saved.

No famous, popular, world-loved preacher is a freemason or going to Hell.

We should all get along & seek peace with those that believe heresy.

We shouldn't expose sin, because that hurts people's feelings & starts arguments with the ones sinning.

It's open season for "legalists". Fight with them & accuse & mock them all you want, because you can't be judged for it.

It's ok to lie on a legalist, misquote them, & falsely accuse them cuz they're going to hell anyway.

It's ok to do whatever necessary to win the argument with a legalist, even destroy their reputation if necessary.

Setting up a legalist to get them banned is alright, just don't openly admit to it.

The sooner we ban the legalists, the better off CC will be.

Those that believe in faithfulness to God to keep from backsliding are legalists & sinners. They are not saved because they mentioned works.

If anyone claiming to be a christian falls away, none of them were never saved to begin with, not even if they manifested God's love.

God predestined your salvation, so you're going to heaven no matter what you do.

Satan was thrown outta heaven for his rebellion, but saved rebels are going to heaven.

I've seen these attitudes in the BDF. They won't openly say them, but they live them.

Who are these people? Too many to tell on.

NOT EVERYBODY.

But a great majority.

Be rest assured yours truly will be the #1 sinner for saying it.

I'm not derailing the Op, I'm responding to it.

Some will say it's just my opinion. It is proper to state your opinion on CC, isn't it?

Indeed, nice summary, seems that this is the "Not by Works" thread #2.

Can someone tell me what the difference is between;

1. ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED and 2. HYPERGRACE?

Thanks for your help. Sorry for my ignorance here...

 

[BillG]

I think you'll come to understand that most of them say that those of us that believe we have eternal security, because we are born again Children of God, which they derogatorily refer to as OSAS, ​ARE HYPERGRACERS!

Yes they do.
And to be honest I have no idea why.

I have not seen anyone nor anyone on any thread on this forum who believes OSAS is saying "Hey is ok sin all you want, its ok it's covered"

Quite frankly for me I find it an isult and an attack on me because I believe OSAS because I'm promoting HG,

Yet they do not know me and how I walk with others.

I'm sure I'm not on my own here.

Mind you I'm sure those who think differently will say the same as well.

Oh well. An impass that this side of eternity will never be resolved.

Very sad really.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Yes they do.
And to be honest I have no idea why.

I have not seen anyone nor anyone on any thread on this forum who believes OSAS is saying "Hey is ok sin all you want, its ok it's covered"

Quite frankly for me I find it an isult and an attack on me because I believe OSAS because I'm promoting HG,

Yet they do not know me and how I walk with others.

I'm sure I'm not on my own here.

Mind you I'm sure those who think differently will say the same as well.

Oh well. An impass that this side of eternity will never be resolved.

Very sad really.

Hi Bill,

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW (James 2:9-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; 7:7) If we break any of God's Commandments then we stand guilty before God of committing SIN.

Those who continue in KNOWN UNREPETNANT SIN the bible says will NOT enter the kingdom of HEAVEN.

ONCE SAVED AWLAYS SAVED teached regardless of practicing SIN you will still enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

I do not think you believe this Bill just to be clear.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes they do.
And to be honest I have no idea why.

I have not seen anyone nor anyone on any thread on this forum who believes OSAS is saying "Hey is ok sin all you want, its ok it's covered"

Quite frankly for me I find it an isult and an attack on me because I believe OSAS because I'm promoting HG,

Yet they do not know me and how I walk with others.

I'm sure I'm not on my own here.

Mind you I'm sure those who think differently will say the same as well.

Oh well. An impass that this side of eternity will never be resolved.

Very sad really.

Hyper grace does not promote you can sin all you want. That is the lie insinuated by the attackers. HG is nto a bad thing (the gospel) anyone who believes in salvation by grace through faith alone believes in hypergrace.

Now the WOF aspect. No. We do not agree.. but thats not hypergrace in my view.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hyper grace does not promote you can sin all you want. That is the lie insinuated by the attackers. HG is nto a bad thing (the gospel) anyone who believes in salvation by grace through faith alone believes in hypergrace.

Now the WOF aspect. No. We do not agree.. but thats not hypergrace in my view.

So ONCE SAVED AWLAYS SAVED = HYPERGRACE?

 

[BillG]

Indeed, nice summary, seems that this is the "Not by Works" thread #2.

Can someone tell me what the difference is between;

1. ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED and 2. HYPERGRACE?

Thanks for your help. Sorry for my ignorance here...

I think with Hypergrace is that people who believe in it are saying that we can sin all we want and still be saved.
However those who believe in OSAS are accused of being Hypergrace believers.
Which is not true.

Not for me anyway.

So the issue is not Hypergrace but OSAS and NOSAS

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think with Hypergrace is that people who believe in it are saying that we can sin all we want and still be saved.
However those who believe in OSAS are accused of being Hypergrace believers.
Which is not true.

Not for me anyway.

So the issue is not Hypergrace but OSAS and NOSAS

Bill. That is what those who attacked hypergrace were saying, that was thoroughly refuted.

Once saved always saved (the doctrine) is a calvanist doctrine based on TULIP. (People attacking it are usually attacking calvanism)

Once Salved always saved (the believe that once a person is saved, they are always saved) is a belief help by all people who believe in grace alone through Faith alone. Which would be you and I.

 

[Chester]

I see it like this, At the present time (ie, anyone reading this saying, at that time, no matter when that time is) my sheep are hearing me and they are following me, ie, my sheep (this is who they are) are ALWAYS hearing me, and they are ALWAYS following me.

OK - I have no problem agreeing with the above. The first line - "my sheep are hearing me and they are following me" is exactly what the text says. Then you say "ie" - and now your interpretation follows. And I think that this is how you interpret it focusing on the sheep as the subject. So you say: "my sheep (this is who they are) are always hearing me, and they are always following me". I agree with that because at any point in time that you have a sheep that sheep will be hearing and following Jesus. The text says so. So I agree with what you say.

Where I would not agree would be if you change the present tense to a future tense verb: that is: if you would say: "My sheep will always hear me, and they will always follow me". If you would say that, I would simply answer by saying that the text does not say that.

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[BillG]

Hi Bill,

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW (James 2:9-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; 7:7) If we break any of God's Commandments then we stand guilty before God of committing SIN.

Those who continue in KNOWN UNREPETNANT SIN the bible says will NOT enter the kingdom of HEAVEN.

ONCE SAVED AWLAYS SAVED teached regardless of practicing SIN you will still enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

I do not think you believe this Bill just to be clear.

Evening LGF, I hope all is well with you.

If you don't mind me asking, although even if you do I'm gonna ask anyway

If you don't think I believe this then why not others?

 

[joefizz]

Yes they do.
And to be honest I have no idea why.

I have not seen anyone nor anyone on any thread on this forum who believes OSAS is saying "Hey is ok sin all you want, its ok it's covered"

Quite frankly for me I find it an isult and an attack on me because I believe OSAS because I'm promoting HG,

Yet they do not know me and how I walk with others.

I'm sure I'm not on my own here.

Mind you I'm sure those who think differently will say the same as well.

Oh well. An impass that this side of eternity will never be resolved.

Very sad really.

I'm not even Once saved always saved in technicality,and I've never heard a hyper grace doctrine either so color me confused when someone says I'm either one,I'll say that I grew up Baptist but my beliefs aren't all Baptist,my beliefs stem from"God's word" I don't need a "label" to "believe" and "understand" God's word.

 

[joefizz]

Bill. That is what those who attacked hypergrace were saying, that was thoroughly refuted.

Once saved always saved (the doctrine) is a calvanist doctrine based on TULIP. (People attacking it are usually attacking calvanism)

Once Salved always saved (the believe that once a person is saved, they are always saved) is a belief help by all people who believe in grace alone through Faith alone. Which would be you and I.

TULIP has nothing on me whatever it is...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

(My response in red above)

I do not see how you can not see you are saying exactly what I am claiming you are saying.

A sheep is always a sheep. Jesus purchased his sheep with his own blood. They not only know who their master is, they always hear him, and they always follow after him (that is the meaning by what he wrote. My sheep hear my voice, and they follow.

Nothing in the passage says his sheep can be his sheep one minute, then the next minute not be his sheep. Why would anyone even claim this? (A sheep can not go to his master and say I do nto want to be yiiouyr sheep any more. I want to be that persons sheep)

And again, I am using the present tense verb as you use it in John 3. WHoeer is presently believing, has eternal life (if believing stops then they do not have eternal life)’ you can not have it one way in one passage, then not have it another way in another passage,

 

[LoveGodForever]

Bill. That is what those who attacked hypergrace were saying, that was thoroughly refuted.

Once saved always saved (the doctrine) is a calvanist doctrine based on TULIP. (People attacking it are usually attacking calvanism)

Once Salved always saved (the believe that once a person is saved, they are always saved) is a belief help by all people who believe in grace alone through Faith alone. Which would be you and I.

I BELIEVE that we are saved by GRACE alone through FAITH ALONE but I believe the rest of God's Word that says...

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

Romans 6
1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that GRACE may abound? God forbid. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?


DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

How is my belief in the scriptures here different from yours?

Evening LGF, I hope all is well with you.

If you don't mind me asking, although even if you do I'm gonna ask anyway

If you don't think I believe this then why not others?

Bill, I thought you believed similar to what I have stated above as I do. Was I incorrect? Do you believe in OSAS aka HYPERGRACE?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

TULIP has nothing on me whatever it is...

me either bro. I did not even know OSAS was a calvanist doctrine until I came into CC..

 

[BillG]

I'm not even Once saved always saved in technicality,and I've never heard a hyper grace doctrine either so color me confused when someone says I'm either one,I'll say that I grew up Baptist but my beliefs aren't all Baptist,my beliefs stem from"God's word" I don't need a "label" to "believe" and "understand" God's word.

As for me?

I don't need a label either.
Or a banner of demonation.

Jesus is my banner
I love him, he loves me.
I want to be like him, he wants me to be like him.
That's why he had to go back to the Father so the HS would come and convict us of unbelief in Jesus.
When we do then he is in us.

It's the HS in us who works in order to conform us to the image of Jesus.

And boy has he got a work to do in me.
But I acknowledge it and ask for help.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

As for me?

I don't need a label either.
Or a banner of demonation.

Jesus is my banner
I love him, he loves me.
I want to be like him, he wants me to be like him.
That's why he had to go back to the Father so the HS would come and convict us of unbelief in Jesus.
When we do then he is in us.

It's the HS in us who works in order to conform us to the image of Jesus.

And boy has he got a work to do in me.
But I acknowledge it and ask for help.

I used to tell people I was a baptist (when I was one) and this confused people. I guess there are many different baptists with quite a few beliefs (people would Say I believe this or that, which I did not) so I stopped. And just told them I am a christian. I stopped using names. They confuse people. Just tell people what you believe. Less confusion./

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm not even Once saved always saved in technicality,and I've never heard a hyper grace doctrine either so color me confused when someone says I'm either one,I'll say that I grew up Baptist but my beliefs aren't all Baptist,my beliefs stem from"God's word" I don't need a "label" to "believe" and "understand" God's word.

Hyper grace was a term used by Joseph Prince when he said he believed grace was hyper (meaning over abundant, or so deep. God would never run out of it) And haters of Jospeh prince came in hating in those who were speaking of things he said. And an all out war started. I think you got in the end of that war, (most of the people are banned now) but by then the argument was based on grace s works, not hypergrace. But it was the same thing.

 

[joefizz]

I used to tell people I was a baptist (when I was one) and this confused people. I guess there are many different baptists with quite a few beliefs (people would Say I believe this or that, which I did not) so I stopped. And just told them I am a christian. I stopped using names. They confuse people. Just tell people what you believe. Less confusion./

Precisely,unless of course they ignore or twist what you say,but ideally if you can stand by your beliefs without necessarily a label or church backing then you can cover alot of ground with people.