WHY DOESN'T GOD HEAL EVERYONE?

[louis]

No one in this house has worked for money since 2002. Our house. Our food. Our lives. And we are not rich by any stretch on the imagination. (Slightly above the Federal Government's definition of "poverty.")

Why you're stuck on money? No idea. We learned the hard way how to trust God.

So, all along you think there are no miracles because people work for a living today? Umm, they worked for a living 2000 years ago too. Nothing has changed.

Your statement is rather broad and vague.
Do you meet the criteria for the offspring from the travailing woman in Micah 5:7 (also Revelation 12) who tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men?

Micah 5:7 [FONT=&quot]And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lord[/FONT][FONT=&quot], as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.[/FONT]

 

[Depleted]

Your statement is rather broad and vague.
Do you meet the criteria for the offspring from the travailing woman in Micah 5:7 (also Revelation 12) who tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men?

Micah 5:7 And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the Lord, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.

Do I need to?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Should he heal everyone? Well, I don't know if He should. Some people are a better testimony to Him if they're afflicted. But if He promises to heal anyone who has (or asks in) faith, then He definitely should fulfill that promise. And for some, He does. For the rest, they get to bite the bullet and persevere through any way they can.

here is a thought I have about healing...and it's just my thought...but anyway

the Israelites had every sort of miracle you can think of including being set free from terrible servitude..I think that can reasonably be viewed as a physical example of how a person can suffer with spiritual and or emotional problems...and yet they still made themselves a golden calf at the first opportunity they were left alone to their own devices (while Moses was up the mountain)...in fact Aaron, Moses brother, even went along with it

stay with me here...

I think we can make golden calves...that is our own gods even out of what God can do for us...that would be because we are basically depraved without the Holy Spirit...we can collect all our gold jewelry (the things we believe God has done for us) and create doctrines and methods and maybe even begin to think we are 'special'...and we parade around that and think that is the god that has saved us

God does not promise to heal everyone...but He does say to come to Him...I think we have covered all that at some length?

sometimes it is almost like God is just watching to see what we will do...this is hard to explain for me...anyway, I get pictures in my mind about things...and I think either God kind of does that, or (as an artist) I come by it naturally...at any rate, it's like I see how things are in our world with what I see in my mind's eye and I realize that everyone is not doing that

but I am saying that God WILL give you answers...I prayed for you earlier asking Him to help you know He is right there with you and that you would be able to begin to understand how He is working in your life and not be discouraged or impatient or whatever...believe me, I know all about those things

what I write, I write from years of struggle because I am stubborn and headstrong and it can take alot to get through to me

I know it can be very difficult and it seems either God does not care, or you are some kind of 'example' or maybe you just should never have been born (I thought that many times in years gone by)

but I end up with a peace and a trust I did not create in myself and really all I can offer you, is God is true and He knows and trust in Him...sounds like a platitude...heard it myself many times...but somehow He will prove this to you

I can only encourage you

ps...I am NOT at all saying you would make something wrong out of complete healing...those are just general thoughts regarding the larger question in general...not meant for you in particular, but just me thinking out loud

 

[louis]

Not going to derail this thread into eschatology, but read of the history of the church in the first two centuries of Christianity, and then tell me where it's been worse than that. Jesus wasn't fooling. He was warning the people who were going to go through hell on earth that even then he is sovereign, knows it, and it's all working out for God's glory and his people's good. Who else needed to know that but those who were going to go through that kind of truly great tribulation? I mean come on now! We're Americans. We've got it good!

Read Mark 13, Luke 21, and Matthew 24, all of which correspond with the same time period in which the abomination of desolation spoken of the prophet Daniel appears, and tell me when the waves and seas roaring causing mens to faint from the signs of events coming has occurred in the first two centuries, or for that matter at any time since?

Luke 21:25 [FONT=&quot]And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth [/FONT][FONT=&quot]distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;[/FONT][FONT=&quot]26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.[/FONT]

 

[louis]

Do I need to?

Only if you place total faith in the Lord, and none in Mammon; in which case you should then be able to heal the sick, and do many other miracles.

 

[Rosemaryx]

I don't really understand what you mean by OCD in your thoughts?

sounds like we all may have a touch of it now and then though if what I understand is right?

I know God fights this fight for you!

so encouraging to read how He has fought for you and cared for you!

(((hugs)))

Well I just copied a little bit from GotQuestions , Question: "What is scrupulosity, and how can it be overcome?"

Answer: [FONT=&quot]Scrupulosity, sometimes called “religious [/FONT]OCD[FONT=&quot],” is essentially an excessive and debilitating concern with morality. Paranoid Schizophrenia, Delusional Disorder, and similar psychological illnesses may accompany obsessive religious thoughts or delusions of a religious nature. And sometimes religious eccentricities appear in other personality disorders. Scrupulosity is considered a psychological illness in modern psychology.[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, sans-serif]Often, those suffering from scrupulosity will focus on one particular aspect of morality, such as sexual purity or blasphemy. Someone with scrupulosity might continually doubt his salvation or go to extreme measures to ensure she is forgiven. He may attend religious services compulsively, pray repetitive prayers for salvation, perform religious rituals until she feels she has done so perfectly, require constant assurance from clergy members, make frequent pacts with God, or obsess over fears of moral compromise...[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, sans-serif]Mine attacks my salvation , and although I know in my heart I am Gods child , and when my mind is in normal state I am fine and growing well in our LORD , but when I get attacked with the OCD in my mind , it is like the evil one knows my weakness is my mental health , so this is what suffers...[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, sans-serif]I can not shut the voice down , neither can I stop it by distraction to something else ...Last week it was so bad I was scared to read my bible because everytime I read it , the voice was louder then me and telling me the oppisite to what Gods word is...Thank God these past few days it has gone from the front of my head , I can still hear it now and then in the background , but like I said , the comfort I got when reading that God knows my thoughts was such a relief , He knows that voice in my head is not from my heart , so I get my healing by trusting God , leaning on Him , and what I feel that God is showing me is that I do not have to run and hide from Him in shame , I dont know why I have this and I have asked God to take it from me , but His words as Hhe said to Paul comfort me also " My grace is sufficient " so I rest in that...xox...[/FONT]

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Additional confirmation why some are not healed. Very good.

no Louis it is not good

you are putting the onus on the person and stating that since they agree with you, they must also be right...that would be a big no on that one because you are not right here with healing for all and if not they are double minded

If one can be double minded and believe also in Mammon, would your perspective of expecting the Lord to cure them then not deny the Word in James 1:7-8, which states not to expect any help from the Lord?

James 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

what is James talking about? not healing as context would have it:

2Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters,[SUP]a[/SUP] whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. 5If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. 6But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do.

he is talking about perserverance in trials for the testing of our faith so that we may be complete in Christ and not lacking..this has something to do with patience also...James says if we lack wisdom we should as for it from God but not waiver when we do

and you have popped the verses right out of there natural setting and inserted them in to the golden calf of 'God heals all' and if not, it is the person's fault because they are double minded

without sounding mean, I suppose you give yourself a good clap on the back but it is a boot you would need because you are assuming the right to judge why someone is not healed and running all over people who have begged God for healing and are not healed

that, is not the Holy Spirit encouraging believers....that is, as I said, a golden calf of one's own making

and here is another gem of yours still blaming the person:

True, but don't expect the Lord to give you what you want if you are double minded.
We should continue to hope, and pray, and study the Word, to increase in faith and be more the Way the Lord wants us to be (singularly minded) in faith towards Him and not Mammon as well, so that we can do all the things they who are singularly faithed in Him can do.

mammon is money...or covetousness...so it seems you are saying people who desire healing are being outside of God's will because they covet it...because, it appears you are saying that anything outside of God's will is wrong....

so asking for healing must be outside of God's will...that would be the conclusion a person could come to if they tried to logically follow your reasoning

which I do not recommend they do

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Ah, man! Is that a segue into the OSAS debate? lol

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floundering and getting desperate (half joking)

 

[7seasrekeyed]

If you read my earlier posts you will see why people today are not healed as they were during the first century AD. Most Christians today, myself included are double minded, having faith both in Christ and Mammon. Rather than my repeating all the posts and scriptures I showed to support this perspective, you can simply go through the pages and find those with my name on top to review.

now I am wondering if Doctors appear as mammon to you

thank you for not repeating your posts

 

[7seasrekeyed]

James 4:1-8, further confirms why many who ask do not receive being due to their double mindedness.

James 4:1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

this is just amazing

someone gets stuck on one thing and maybe it applies to them, but now it must be everybody cause it struck a personal chord

that is how I am starting to think of it

great passage from James...but applies better to interpersonal relationships IMO

 

[louis]

no Louis it is not good

you are putting the onus on the person and stating that since they agree with you, they must also be right...that would be a big no on that one because you are not right here with healing for all and if not they are double minded

I am putting the onus on the statement being in corroboration with the Word in James 1 statiing not to expect anything from the Lord if one is double minded. To claim otherwise, is to deny Gods Word.

what is James talking about? not healing as context would have it:

2Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters,[SUP]a[/SUP] whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. 5If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. 6But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do.

he is talking about perserverance in trials for the testing of our faith so that we may be complete in Christ and not lacking..this has something to do with patience also...James says if we lack wisdom we should as for it from God but not waiver when we do

and you have popped the verses right out of there natural setting and inserted them in to the golden calf of 'God heals all' and if not, it is the person's fault because they are double minded

without sounding mean, I suppose you give yourself a good clap on the back but it is a boot you would need because you are assuming the right to judge why someone is not healed and running all over people who have begged God for healing and are not healed

that, is not the Holy Spirit encouraging believers....that is, as I said, a golden calf of one's own making

and here is another gem of yours still blaming the person:

You are claiming double mindedness in relation to having to go through trials and tribulations. Maybe one does have to go through trials and tribulations to get out of being double minded, but trials and tribulations do not represent being double minded.

mammon is money...or covetousness...so it seems you are saying people who desire healing are being outside of God's will because they covet it...because, it appears you are saying that anything outside of God's will is wrong....

so asking for healing must be outside of God's will...that would be the conclusion a person could come to if they tried to logically follow your reasoning

which I do not recommend they do

What a twister ye be. Let's keep it simple in what I said, and not the numerous trajectories you have assumed my statements to claim.
Mammon is money, and Christians who seek it, like me and ye, are double minded.

 

[louis]

now I am wondering if Doctors appear as mammon to you

thank you for not repeating your posts

Doctors are nothing more than an attempt to cure the ills of man with what they currently have available to them.
Mammon on the other hand, is money, which is part and intergral of all the worlds systems under Satan today.

 

[louis]

this is just amazing

someone gets stuck on one thing and maybe it applies to them, but now it must be everybody cause it struck a personal chord

that is how I am starting to think of it

great passage from James...but applies better to interpersonal relationships IMO

Or for the love of money/money, which is the root of all evil.

1 Timothy 6:10 [FONT=&quot]For the [/FONT]love of money[FONT=&quot] is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.[/FONT]

 

[BillG]

Bill...I would not accept that...we do share some similar things it seems

I used to get pretty anxious myself over who knows what...would just hit me and I wanted to claw the walls

I began to see it as spiritual (through other things...long story)

I am of the mind that we do not just accept things...I believe we need to distingush when we can take a stand and whatever it is, it has got to go

I can still get those zoomy butterflies for no reason...but now I chase 'em away in Jesus name

the fact that this hit you all of a sudden sends up red flags IMO and I don't want to get spooky here but my worst things also started in a church...through an individual that was appearing as a minister of God but was not because they were living a double life and fooling people...you cannot do that and be a person through whom the Holy Spirit operates

if I can get free of that, I believe you can also...I heard you about the prayers and begging God...I begged God for 7 years to get free and although it is like I can still feel...if that makes sense...aftereffects...I know what is what now and will not accept things I know are not of God...I honestly wish I could have just not lived this, but in the end, it probably has helped me more than hurt me...

I wish I could talk to you face to face but that isn't going to happen....but coping is not good.

I don't want to 'cope' and I am sure you don't either. we are promised victory over the enemy and sometimes it can take years because this is just not taught in church

it is really through reading 2 different books that I got free...one is one that I already mentioned to you and the other is Neil Andersons' 'Victory Over the Darkness'....and I went to different people also to 'help' with my problem and they made it worse because they could not help me...in the end, I came to the conclusion that God wanted me to stand on my own 2 feet and help myself...with His word and His promise to set us free

unlike physical healing, we are promised victory over the devil because Jesus attained that for us

I don't know what Paul's thorn in the flesh was, but not sure it was his eyesight...seems more likely that everywhere he went, great opposition was stirred up against him...and that by an unseen 'force'

I can see some people rolling their eyes now...but if this helps at all.........

Well that's where I am at and have been for nearly 30 years.

I gave a snippet so now I'm go give some insight.

That day in church I was sat next to my fiance.
A lady that I realised that I did not want marry.

My thoughts were "Ok we will marry, have a couple of kids, get divorced and I would get to see the kids at the weekend"
That was my life experience with my mum.
Married divorce twice in my younger years.
Never knew my real dad. Only two shocking memories.
Step dad hated me.

So back to my thoughts in that church service and even as I type this I feel so ashamed and tears are rolling down my face.

I was willing to be like what I saw and had been through.
That afternoon I broke off the engagement. Even though the elder I spoke to implored me not to.

That is when the severe anxiety started.

After that any time I got close to a lady and the possibility of commitment my anxiety went off the Richter scale.

In fact I dumped my now wife before we got married.

Then God made it clear to me. This is your wife to be. In fact my wife had dream before we started going out.
This man is your husband.

So I believed God. We got back together. To be honest I was all over the place with her.
But when God said to me "Tori is your wife to be" you could but hold me back.

We celebrate 24years of marriage this year, have 4 beautiful kids.
The thought of leaving them has never entered my mind.
I love them so so much.

My beautiful Godly wife tells me, yes this screw up that she feels so secure with me, Im a great loving husband, wonderful Father and I have actually taught her so much (she was bought up in a secure loving Christian family)

Yet I still carry over that day in church.

I have revisited that day thousands of times.
Been prayed for and over thousands of times.
Claimed Bible verses above not being anxious
Repented of my thoughts about divorce and that must be true given been married for almost 24 years, not because I have to be but because I love being married to the most amazing woman who I love so deeply.

Yet that day in church is still with me, the anxiety.

So to me I can't see where else to go with it.

My wife and I are planning our 25th next year.
Really looking forward to it.
We are planning a cruise.
The Med and Fjords.

 

[stonesoffire]

If I have a total faith in the Lord in providing for all my needs, then why would I need to have faith in working for Mammon/money?

I don't know about double mindedness having anything to do with money, but I think it means to have two opinions. With healing, it might be, I know God heals, but I don't know if He will heal me. This was one I had to deal with.

 

[tourist]

Doctors are nothing more than an attempt to cure the ills of man with what they currently have available to them.
Mammon on the other hand, is money, which is part and intergral of all the worlds systems under Satan today.

It is hard to live without money. It's the love of money that is evil not the money itself. Thank God that He provided doctors. Not everyone gets healed by God in this lifetime so you have a choice and that is to remain sick and decline or see a doctor and maybe get better. It's really a no-brainer.

 

[tourist]

Only if you place total faith in the Lord, and none in Mammon; in which case you should then be able to heal the sick, and do many other miracles.

Very few people have the gift to heal someone. Even if you have total faith in God that does not mean the you have been given the gift of healing.

 

[BillG]

It is hard to live without money. It's the love of money that is evil not the money itself. Thank God that He provided doctors. Not everyone gets healed by God in this lifetime so you have a choice and that is to remain sick and decline or see a doctor and maybe get better. It's really a no-brainer.

Luke was a doctor

 

[BillG]

It is hard to live without money. It's the love of money that is evil not the money itself. Thank God that He provided doctors. Not everyone gets healed by God in this lifetime so you have a choice and that is to remain sick and decline or see a doctor and maybe get better. It's really a no-brainer.

Yes the love of money is the root of evil.

I know of a few people in my church who earn a lot of money.
They work to earn a lot of money.
Then they use it to help others.

 

[louis]

I don't know about double mindedness having anything to do with money, but I think it means to have two opinions. With healing, it might be, I know God heals, but I don't know if He will heal me. This was one I had to deal with.

Double mindedness is believing in two opposing ideologies; the same as in serving two opposing masters at the same time, which cannot stand. For either man will either hate the one and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other; Ye cannot serve God and Mammon.

Matthew 6:24 [FONT=&quot]No man can serve two [/FONT][FONT=&quot]masters[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Ye cannot serve God and mammon[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT]