Have The 10 Commandments Been Abolished?
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The 10 Commandments GOD Personally gave to the people at Sinai were then SEPARATED from the rest of the commandments contained in ordinances/works given through Moses Deut 5v22 and God added no more (after the 10 were given).
So, to insist we either have to keep all 613 commandments or none at all is quite INaccurate !
The 10 Commandments of God are spiritual, holy just and good because they teach us to LOVE God and neighbour...they are eternal
but the commandments of ordinances/works were dealt with by Jesus on the cross Eph 2v15; Col 2v14 and no longer apply.
That is the simple answer to the question !
So, to insist we either have to keep all 613 commandments or none at all is quite INaccurate !
The 10 Commandments of God are spiritual, holy just and good because they teach us to LOVE God and neighbour...they are eternal
but the commandments of ordinances/works were dealt with by Jesus on the cross Eph 2v15; Col 2v14 and no longer apply.
That is the simple answer to the question !
2 Corinthians 3:1-6
1Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you? 2Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: 3Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.4And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
1Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you? 2Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: 3Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.4And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
L
Stunnedbygrace, it is very interesting that you will quote Paul in one breath, yet deny his word in another breath. If you trust him here, then why do you not trust him in another verse when he says "women are not to preach in the church" ? Could it be that you're worldly opinions have gotten in the way and caused you not to like just some of his words ? I will agree the posters here that say the 10 commandments and the laws "have not" been abolished.
Absolutely NOT! However it has been revealed, in the NT, that they are not for the Church. The teachings of the NT; and the indwelling Holy Spirit, do lead us to obey 9 of them (but not because they are Law). The 4th commandment is specifically stated to be optional for the Church. It is NOT required of non-Jewish believers to observe the Sabbath; but we are at liberty to do so if we find meaning in it or to maintain a witness to the Jewish community.
L
So, if you say we are not to abandon the laws but they are NOT FOR THE CHURCH, then you are saying the church doesn't need to go by any of them. I believe you are misinterpreting scripture. According to what you just said in your first sentence, it is fine to abandon "all" laws that were to govern the church. Are you sure that is the stance you wish to take here ?
If you read my post carefully you will see that I do NOT say church doesn't need to go by any of them.
I do say that both NT teachings and the indwelling Holy Spirit lead us to obey 9 of them.
I do say that we, the Church, OBEY THEM; not because they are Law; but because they are God's will for believers.
I do say that both NT teachings and the indwelling Holy Spirit lead us to obey 9 of them.
I do say that we, the Church, OBEY THEM; not because they are Law; but because they are God's will for believers.
L
I did read your post carefully. That is why I ask why you contradict your first sentence just a few sentences later. Do you not see the contradiction of saying the LAW DOES NOT APPLY to the church and then saying 9 of them do apply ? And are you now saying those 9 laws are the only laws that apply ? Are you completely disregarding the laws given unto the church within the NT and the Book of Corinthians ?
You misunderstand me.
We do not follow the law to achieve righteousness. That's first.
The law is for the inside of a man rather than ideas like: do this, don't do this, for the outside. That's second.
Even when a man does understand #1 and #2, he still can't keep it. In fact, it has just become even harder to keep if it is for his inside. (He can most likely refrain from shooting someone to death but he can definitely not refrain from ever having bitter anger in his heart toward his brother). That's third.
I know you won't understand any of that at present, but I have great hope for you!
We do not follow the law to achieve righteousness. That's first.
The law is for the inside of a man rather than ideas like: do this, don't do this, for the outside. That's second.
Even when a man does understand #1 and #2, he still can't keep it. In fact, it has just become even harder to keep if it is for his inside. (He can most likely refrain from shooting someone to death but he can definitely not refrain from ever having bitter anger in his heart toward his brother). That's third.
I know you won't understand any of that at present, but I have great hope for you!
Colossians 2:14 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.
Ephesians 2:15 - Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.
The natural reading of Ephesians 2:14,15 and Colossians 2:14 would see that the entire Old Covenant written code was nailed to the cross, including the Ten Commandments (with all the rules and regulations attached to them under the Mosaic Law) which were the center point of the Old Covenant (Exodus 34:29-34).
*Although the moral principles of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the New Covenant.
1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3
If the law of Moses bears the same relationship to believers today under the New Covenant as it did to Israel under the Old Covenant, in terms of its binding status, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today under the New Covenant.
"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).
The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.
Ephesians 2:15 - Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.
The natural reading of Ephesians 2:14,15 and Colossians 2:14 would see that the entire Old Covenant written code was nailed to the cross, including the Ten Commandments (with all the rules and regulations attached to them under the Mosaic Law) which were the center point of the Old Covenant (Exodus 34:29-34).
*Although the moral principles of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the New Covenant.
1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3
If the law of Moses bears the same relationship to believers today under the New Covenant as it did to Israel under the Old Covenant, in terms of its binding status, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today under the New Covenant.
"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).
The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.
L
You misunderstand me.
We do not follow the law to achieve righteousness. That's first.
The law is for the inside of a man rather than ideas like: do this, don't do this, for the outside. That's second.
Even when a man does understand #1 and #2, he still can't keep it. In fact, it has just become even harder to keep if it is for his inside. (He can most likely refrain from shooting someone to death but he can definitely not refrain from ever having bitter anger in his heart toward his brother). That's third.
I know you won't understand any of that at present, but I have great hope for you!
We do not follow the law to achieve righteousness. That's first.
The law is for the inside of a man rather than ideas like: do this, don't do this, for the outside. That's second.
Even when a man does understand #1 and #2, he still can't keep it. In fact, it has just become even harder to keep if it is for his inside. (He can most likely refrain from shooting someone to death but he can definitely not refrain from ever having bitter anger in his heart toward his brother). That's third.
I know you won't understand any of that at present, but I have great hope for you!