Are women allowed to Preach?

[eternally-gratefull]

I favor homosexuals, drug addicts, thieves, liars and everyone not saved in the church. They are the ones who need to hear the gospel. Sadly many in church look down upon anyone they perceive as "unGodly". I know that there is none any more unGodly, filthy or amoral than I was before I heard the Word and God saved me. Instead of letting my fear and hate push away those who need God the most, I choose to be lead by Him how He sees fit and to remember I too was once lost but now am found.

it is part of the legalistic mindset. They believe a person must clean themselves up first. They do not understand, any person sruggling with sin, be it sexual (homo or hetero) drug or alcohol, etc etc needs saved before they can find victory over sin,

they also would never have walked with jesus, because those where the very people he went after, like he said, the well do not need a physician, the sick do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree those people need help. Drug rehabilitation, mental therapy, and in general they need to come to God. However, they need to be outside of the congregation until they are stable enough to enter. If you let a bunch of homosexuals, drunkards and thieves into your congregation immediately without treatment, then they are highly likely to destroy the entire congregation and you end up with no church at all. And a homosexual should never be allowed to become any preacher. That is strictly against the will of God as this man is not a man with high moral standard.

How will they be healed if they are not allowed to be part of the body. What a joke. God set trquirements for being a decon, those must be held to, but the flock is full of sinners, what makes you think you are any better than those? What makes uou think God likes your sins any better?

 

[John146]

I think this hits on the issue right here, the traditional church model where one man leads a ceremonial what i have come to call “play acting” ceremony which follows a script from begining to end (prayer, sing a hymn, announcments, sing a hymn, read a passage, sing a hymn, prayer, 20minute sermonette, prayer alter call prayer dismisal)i knownot all follow this script. But most churches i have been to follow something like this. Sunday night and wed night services are less stringent. And whats funny, is if we take 1 cor 14 literally, women should NOT be allowed to pray on wed night prayer meeting either, but most placed i have been, even if they follow this allow women to pray (especially the pastors wife) and in most of the sunday school meetings women prayed and spoke openly,

we have gotten away from the NT church model and have followed a traditional model which has preachers, instead of teachers, preaching instead of discipling, and worried more about numbers than souls,

the church has lost its way,

14:34 Here the women are not permitted to speak in tongues in the assembly. That's the context of the passage. God is a God of order. He has given order to the church like it or not. Concerning women:

A woman may testify and sing praises in church - (Psa. 105:6).
A woman is not to be the pastor of a church (1 Tim. 3:1-7).
She may not teach nor usurp authority over the man (1 Tim. 2:11-13).
The woman is subject unto the husband. (Gen. 3)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am thankful I was welcomed before I was stable enough. Without Jesus and the love of so many brothers and sisters I would never have been stable enough.

Amen, i wonder how many wonderful brothers and sisters we would have who are walking close with God if they too where allowed to be part of the body,

one of my leaders is an ex homosexual who was healed by God, got married and has three beautiful kids, one of whome is leading a small group themselves, if the church did what LD said we must do, he would probably have been lost.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

With his persecution complex

If you read his last post (just before yours)he also brought his superiority complex (thank god i am not like homosexuals, drug addicts, thiefs etc etc.)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

One way or another, that person still needs to hear the Gospel. That is the point. Let God do His work, in His timing, and do not alienate them from the brethren that God tells them to not forsake. Of course, use sound judgement and keep order.

Good point, they demand he commits one sin, in order to help them have victoru over another sin, hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

If you read his last post (just before yours)he also brought his superiority complex (thank god i am not like homosexuals, drug addicts, thiefs etc etc.)

It's what happens when you see only the letter of the word.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's what happens when you see only the letter of the word.

I call it phariseeism, or the jewish way. As they mastered this practice for centuries

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Your rhetoric is a form of persecution right there. Maybe someday, but for now the U.S. doesn't force Christians to leave.

perhaps in your mind it is so....the very fact you can get on here and abuse folks, tells another story

while you squirm all over this thread, actual believers are dying for Christ

I guess it's the hatred that keeps you going

what hatred? this hatred:

It is the BIBLE and the true word of God that has Lorded over you ladies. Can't you see that. Just look at your Bibles and read 1 Corinthians 14:34-14:35. It is clear enough you should be able to understand it.

what happened with you that you hate women so much?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I said "most commentators" reference this verse. Check them all out. Perhaps there are other verses which can also be applied. However, here is John Gill's commentary, and others also present the same argument.

yeah. no thank you

I had no idea this is how you viewed scripture

you think women are cursed by God apparently

leaves a real bad taste for anything else you might say

 

[7seasrekeyed]

That's okay. I can't believe you respect him. He's always been an I'm-better-than-you kind of fellow.

my bad apparently

give people enough rope....etc

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

14:34 Here the women are not permitted to speak in tongues in the assembly. That's the context of the passage. God is a God of order. He has given order to the church like it or not. Concerning women:

A woman may testify and sing praises in church - (Psa. 105:6).
A woman is not to be the pastor of a church (1 Tim. 3:1-7).
She may not teach nor usurp authority over the man (1 Tim. 2:11-13).
The woman is subject unto the husband. (Gen. 3)

Not all women have husbands. How many times must I tell a person with weak faith, I am redeemed from the curse.
You can't keep women shackled to cursed living to make yourself feel religious and superior.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I'm tempted to ask what church you go to to make sure I never accidentally walk into that building.

has gargoyles at the entrance

I already asked...apparently the reveal is either under consideration or one of those 'I got a secret' thingies

I'm thinking church of the repressed, depressed, oppressed and just plain messed

 

[7seasrekeyed]

How will they be healed if they are not allowed to be part of the body. What a joke. God set trquirements for being a decon, those must be held to, but the flock is full of sinners, what makes you think you are any better than those? What makes uou think God likes your sins any better?

mercy

I'm thinking it is prob a good thing that they only perfect people in that church

like ingrown toenails

 

[tourist]

I agree those people need help. Drug rehabilitation, mental therapy, and in general they need to come to God. However, they need to be outside of the congregation until they are stable enough to enter. If you let a bunch of homosexuals, drunkards and thieves into your congregation immediately without treatment, then they are highly likely to destroy the entire congregation and you end up with no church at all. And a homosexual should never be allowed to become any preacher. That is strictly against the will of God as this man is not a man with high moral standard.

This doesn't make any spiritual sense. So what you are really saying is those that are sick as a result of sin have to be treated first before coming to Jesus. Seriously, I would search for another church that doesn't shun those that are more sinful than their holy than thou selves. You would shut out homosexuals, drunkards and thieves, does this mean if they have other types of sins than these you would allow them to enter into the congregation. Fortunately, it's up to God to choose who is allowed to enter His church.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

yeah. no thank you

I had no idea this is how you viewed scripture

you think women are cursed by God apparently

leaves a real bad taste for anything else you might say

He lost my respect some time ago by his promotion of the KJVO cult. And his insistence that The Holy Spirit should be quenched. The man is a Pharisee. He is quick to reprimand and admonish anyone with a different doctrinal position than his but I've rarely if ever, noticed him offer encouragement to other Christians.

 

[John146]

Not all women have husbands. How many times must I tell a person with weak faith, I am redeemed from the curse.
You can't keep women shackled to cursed living to make yourself feel religious and superior.

Why must you go to the extreme when trying to justify not believing the word of God? Do you think that God was ever like this?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This doesn't make any spiritual sense. So what you are really saying is those that are sick as a result of sin have to be treated first before coming to Jesus. Seriously, I would search for another church that doesn't shun those that are more sinful than their holy than thou selves. You would shut out homosexuals, drunkards and thieves, does this mean if they have other types of sins than these you would allow them to enter into the congregation. Fortunately, it's up to God to choose who is allowed to enter His church.

He does not understand the very point james tried to make.

[h=1]James 2:9-11 New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,”[a] also said, “Do not murder.”[b] Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

while he tries to be a better law keeper than the one in sexual,sin, his sin makes him just as guilty, instead of judging the sinner, he should be welcoming the sinner into his family with open arms. Because he is just as guilty, and just as dependant on grace as the sexual sinner who finds christ and now in search of healing. [/FONT]

 

[tourist]

Why must you go to the extreme when trying to justify not believing the word of God? Do you think that God was ever like this?

She absolutely believes in the Word of God. The point she was making and was not addressed is not all women have husbands.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He lost my respect some time ago by his promotion of the KJVO cult. And his insistence that The Holy Spirit should be quenched. The man is a Pharisee. He is quick to reprimand and admonish anyone with a different doctrinal position than his but I've rarely if ever, noticed him offer encouragement to other Christians.

I stopped reading his stuff awhile ago, thats why i never respond to him, just not worrh it. He has some very strange doctrines.