Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances
- Thread starter PS
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of
heaven.
Read this in all translations........Jesus has not destroyed the law or the prophets....He has fulfilled dthem. Now our Lord, Who is all true knowledge, does not make grammatical errors. Unless you believe the Word is in error here in print, you cannot say to fulfill is to destroy.
I am the least of studied students of the Word, yet I know what He is saying.
Now are you willing to learn from Him what He has declared here before saying mercy and grace without understanding?
Mercy and grace permeate the Law and the Prophets when understood by the teaching of our Master (Teacher.)
To even entertain that the law is abolished stems from having eyes yet not seeing and ears yet not hearing, and this was not said in dark sayings nor in parables....
There is nothing wrong with being saved by the mercy of God, and yet remaining obedient to HIs will, but there is everything wrong when we know His will and yet teach against it and also disobey due to a self-proclaimed license.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of
heaven.
Read this in all translations........Jesus has not destroyed the law or the prophets....He has fulfilled dthem. Now our Lord, Who is all true knowledge, does not make grammatical errors. Unless you believe the Word is in error here in print, you cannot say to fulfill is to destroy.
I am the least of studied students of the Word, yet I know what He is saying.
Now are you willing to learn from Him what He has declared here before saying mercy and grace without understanding?
Mercy and grace permeate the Law and the Prophets when understood by the teaching of our Master (Teacher.)
To even entertain that the law is abolished stems from having eyes yet not seeing and ears yet not hearing, and this was not said in dark sayings nor in parables....
There is nothing wrong with being saved by the mercy of God, and yet remaining obedient to HIs will, but there is everything wrong when we know His will and yet teach against it and also disobey due to a self-proclaimed license.
I am speaking of the 613 Mitzvat laws when I speak of Jewish Law.
God is the Judge and God does not require man to carry out the death sentence before He has passed judgement on that momentous day. That is to pre-empt God. Man has no right to elevate himself to the level of God and act as judge and jury in the first place and executioner in the second place. Our role and duty is to live according to His commandments and premeditated killing (murder) is not ours to do.
I find this attitude most distasteful and is probably the cause of much of the violence in the world, certainly in the Middle East. God is the giver and taker of life and if Jews think otherwise, they are wrong. They have no authority to act as God.
Saul thought that and then he repented. I am surprised you say such things.
God is the Judge and God does not require man to carry out the death sentence before He has passed judgement on that momentous day. That is to pre-empt God. Man has no right to elevate himself to the level of God and act as judge and jury in the first place and executioner in the second place. Our role and duty is to live according to His commandments and premeditated killing (murder) is not ours to do.
I find this attitude most distasteful and is probably the cause of much of the violence in the world, certainly in the Middle East. God is the giver and taker of life and if Jews think otherwise, they are wrong. They have no authority to act as God.
Saul thought that and then he repented. I am surprised you say such things.
Last edited:
I am always amazed at those who attempt to use this scripture as a proof that we are still under the law, when it states the opposite. I am saddened to see so many people claiming to be in Christ, while at the same time trusting in their own efforts/works.
Just as the scripture states, Jesus did not come to abolish the law or the prophets, i.e. He didn't come to cast them aside, but to fulfill that which mankind could not accomplish. In the same way, the Lord fulfilled all that the prophets had written of Him. Once the Lord met the righteous requirements of the Law, it was completed, satisfied completely. Jesus did not come to perpetuate the Law, i.e. to keep it going, but fulfill it, bringing it to its conclusion, its fruition.
Jesus fulfilled the Law on behalf of every believer. Now when one believes in Christ, he is credited with Christ's fulfillment of the Law. In the same way, the wrath of God that every believer deserves was placed on Christ so that God's wrath no longer rests upon the believer. Once again, unless there is a shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. Jesus satisfied that as well, by shedding His blood on our behalf, albeit not for himself.
Everything is fulfilled through Christ. We are no longer under the written code, but follow Christ and are led by the Spirit. Consequently, anyone who isn't trusting in Christ as the One who provided salvation for them, is not saved. When anyone brings in any requirement for salvation along side of the Lord's sacrifice, it is the same as saying that His sacrifice was insufficient.
Test yourself and see if you are trusting in your own efforts or are you trusting in Christ as the One who saved you. It is a subtle lie of the enemy to begin to trust in ones own efforts in order to obtain or maintain salvation. All good works that we do should be for glorifying God and scripture also says that we are building up our treasures in heaven.
No, you don't what He is saying.
The above does not support your claim of us being under the Law. No one who has faith in Christ is teaching anyone to break the commandments or the break the law. Also remember that, when Christ said this, the Law was still in affect as Jesus had not yet paid the penalty for sins.
The bottom line is that, if you are trusting in your own actions, efforts, works, as a means for entering in to eternal life, you will fail.
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast."
I like the NLT version as it brings out the true meaning of this scripture even more so:
"God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God.Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it."
Consider yourself saved by what Christ did, not by your own works or efforts. Follow Christ and when you stumble, confess it and ask for forgiveness and move on. We are not under the Law! All good works that a believer does should be to glorify God and not for the purpose of maintaining salvation, knowing that salvation has already been provided through faith in Christ. It's no wonder that the Lord said that many will say "Lord, Lord" but won't be able to enter in. And why not? Because they will have erroneously been trusting in their own efforts, the works of the Law.
No sir, you do not know what you are talking about. You only think that you do.
Last edited:
This 5 minute rule does annoy me. I tried to add this but was timed out.
Just to add, I do believe it is right and proper to meet together in praise and worship of God and to remember his death and resurrection in the communion service. Indeed we are told not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together.
Just to add, I do believe it is right and proper to meet together in praise and worship of God and to remember his death and resurrection in the communion service. Indeed we are told not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together.
It appears you have found me again. Please, if you do not understand what Jesus is saying in plain words, do not give a whatever pops into your mind post.....saying I do not understand. When you know my heart and mind you will be god, but that cannot happen.
Jesus first said He was not going to destroy the law and the prophets, then He said He has come to fulfill them. NOw, God does not use two different words to say abolish or destroy here, He is using one for destroy and another ascomopleting.......What is being said here by Jesus is understandable, especially when the worhipper knows that the Lw was not written as something of a whim or a lie, rather it was a cvenant for that time to be fulfileld, that is completed come the Messiah. The Messiah fulfills all of the law in His very being.
No Temple, City of Israel, Sacrificial, Claen, Priesthood, Tithing, and etc laws for He completes them all, yet the law is not destroyed--
How can this be? The remaining laws are all found in the two great laws of love.......I need not repeat them, for so many here do and do it as a parrot not realizing that if the laws are within the laws of love they still exist.
Are you going to break any of the laws of our behavior in a moral and holy manner with impunity? I think not, though you may by weakness and if you truly believe Jesus Christ, you will not be seen by God as guilty.....but yet you have sinned, and sin only has existence in breaking a law....
It is certain some are still not understanding this because they sing the do-nothing sone of mercy only. Oh, right, they use the word, grace-only, not realizing the difference. Is this your song? Faith without works is no faith at all, and works begin by giving thanks for the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ for our sins......still do you yet capture this?
If not it is certain you will come back telling me I am unot understanding and I am confused......They said much worse to my Lord and Salvation, Yeshua.
Jesus first said He was not going to destroy the law and the prophets, then He said He has come to fulfill them. NOw, God does not use two different words to say abolish or destroy here, He is using one for destroy and another ascomopleting.......What is being said here by Jesus is understandable, especially when the worhipper knows that the Lw was not written as something of a whim or a lie, rather it was a cvenant for that time to be fulfileld, that is completed come the Messiah. The Messiah fulfills all of the law in His very being.
No Temple, City of Israel, Sacrificial, Claen, Priesthood, Tithing, and etc laws for He completes them all, yet the law is not destroyed--
How can this be? The remaining laws are all found in the two great laws of love.......I need not repeat them, for so many here do and do it as a parrot not realizing that if the laws are within the laws of love they still exist.
Are you going to break any of the laws of our behavior in a moral and holy manner with impunity? I think not, though you may by weakness and if you truly believe Jesus Christ, you will not be seen by God as guilty.....but yet you have sinned, and sin only has existence in breaking a law....
It is certain some are still not understanding this because they sing the do-nothing sone of mercy only. Oh, right, they use the word, grace-only, not realizing the difference. Is this your song? Faith without works is no faith at all, and works begin by giving thanks for the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ for our sins......still do you yet capture this?
If not it is certain you will come back telling me I am unot understanding and I am confused......They said much worse to my Lord and Salvation, Yeshua.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Labouring at what?
Heavily laden from what?
Rest from what?
I'll give you a hint;
Galatians 3:24-25
Labouring at what?
Heavily laden from what?
Rest from what?
I'll give you a hint;
Galatians 3:24-25
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
The Lord already said it. But when Paul explains all the legalists and judaizers try to twist the meaning into something else.
2 Peter 3:15-18
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Isn't it strange that the instruction to avoid being led away with the error of the wicked is to Grow in Grace and in the Knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ? It must be hard for the legalist and judaizer who scoffs at grace and calls it heresy.
What's even more telling is other translations that call it lawlessness instead of the error of the wicked. What is the solution for lawlessness? Its not increasing your knowledge of what the law says. Its growing in Grace and in the Knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Hmmmm. Something to look into?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
The Lord already said it. But when Paul explains all the legalists and judaizers try to twist the meaning into something else.
2 Peter 3:15-18
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Isn't it strange that the instruction to avoid being led away with the error of the wicked is to Grow in Grace and in the Knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ? It must be hard for the legalist and judaizer who scoffs at grace and calls it heresy.
What's even more telling is other translations that call it lawlessness instead of the error of the wicked. What is the solution for lawlessness? Its not increasing your knowledge of what the law says. Its growing in Grace and in the Knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Hmmmm. Something to look into?
I think it is a mistake to disregard the Examples Paul said were written for our admonition. (1 Cor.10) Paul also said why the Pharisees were blinded.
Rom. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God (The Word which became Flesh), they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And again;
Rom. 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith.(Belief in God enough to follow His instructions as Abraham did) Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
And again;
2 cor. 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
Jesus said the same thing.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Your belief that the letters of Paul and Peter were already "recorded" when Jesus was walking and talking to the people as the Word which became Flesh is untrue I believe.
I see you make nice, smooth, good sounding sermons which man would certainly "SEE" looked wise. I'm sure you mean well. But I believe there is sufficient evidence and many warnings about following any word's or any god that is not from the bible no matter how "good" they might sound to us.
It is my sincerest hope that it is the Word which became Flesh that has written His Laws on your heart, and not the prince of this world who deceives.
Jesus inspired this test for us to be sure.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
Rom. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God (The Word which became Flesh), they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And again;
Rom. 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith.(Belief in God enough to follow His instructions as Abraham did) Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
And again;
2 cor. 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
Jesus said the same thing.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Your belief that the letters of Paul and Peter were already "recorded" when Jesus was walking and talking to the people as the Word which became Flesh is untrue I believe.
I see you make nice, smooth, good sounding sermons which man would certainly "SEE" looked wise. I'm sure you mean well. But I believe there is sufficient evidence and many warnings about following any word's or any god that is not from the bible no matter how "good" they might sound to us.
It is my sincerest hope that it is the Word which became Flesh that has written His Laws on your heart, and not the prince of this world who deceives.
Jesus inspired this test for us to be sure.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
=Jackson123;3526899]
The Bible teaches of you break one, you are guilty of breaking them all.
Ex. 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
You don't know who the Congregation of the Lord is and you are preaching to people on this forum? Shame on you.
Paul says there are two Laws. #1. The Law of Works, which is the Levitical Priesthood ceremonies and sacrificial "works of the Law" for remission of sins.
#2. The Law of Faith, which is the First and Greatest Commandment which the Law and Prophets teach us how to abide by. We are judged by this Law, not the Law of works.
The Sabbath Law is part of the Law of faith, not the Law of Works.
Ex. 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
You don't know who the Congregation of the Lord is and you are preaching to people on this forum? Shame on you.
Paul says there are two Laws. #1. The Law of Works, which is the Levitical Priesthood ceremonies and sacrificial "works of the Law" for remission of sins.
#2. The Law of Faith, which is the First and Greatest Commandment which the Law and Prophets teach us how to abide by. We are judged by this Law, not the Law of works.
The Sabbath Law is part of the Law of faith, not the Law of Works.
Grandpa..young man,
Labouring at what?
Heavily laden from what?
The heavey burdens laid upon us by hypocrites......their interpretation of the Word as opposed to learning directly from Jesus Christ, for His hoke is easy, His burden is light. He said this when asking all to come and learn of Him..
Rest from what?
Rest from the heavy burden laid upodn all by hypocrites.
I'll give you a hint;
Now I will give YOU a hint, stick to the quote from which you are deriving your useless questions because the responses are right before our eyes in Christ's Words.
Labouring at what?
Heavily laden from what?
The heavey burdens laid upon us by hypocrites......their interpretation of the Word as opposed to learning directly from Jesus Christ, for His hoke is easy, His burden is light. He said this when asking all to come and learn of Him..
Rest from what?
Rest from the heavy burden laid upodn all by hypocrites.
I'll give you a hint;
Now I will give YOU a hint, stick to the quote from which you are deriving your useless questions because the responses are right before our eyes in Christ's Words.
R
I don't have time to read all of this thread, let alone participate, so I'll cut right to where I'm at on this.
The handwriting is the man made ordinances of the Rabbi's. The law itself was not written down. It was handed down in an oral tradition out of respect for God's word. Rabbinical law was written down.
When Christ was crucified and raised to life, the law of God itself could no longer condemn us and the worship requirements of the law were made obsolete (we now draw near to God in covenant through faith in Christ now, not through the ceremonies and procedures of the law anymore). So when the law was nailed to the cross with Christ in regard to those things, the added on Rabbinical law lost it's power and could no longer be enforced.
That's why you can say,"talk to the hand" to the Rabbi you once were required to obey no matter what he said to do in regard to Sabbaths and Holy Days. If the law of God itself does not HAVE to be obeyed in regard to Sabbaths and Feasts, etc. how much more the rulings of the Rabbi's do not now HAVE to be obeyed. That's why no one can judge you in regard to those things.
If the law of Sabbath, for example no longer HAS to be obeyed to be in covenant with God, how much LESS does any rabbinical law that drew it's power from the law of Sabbath have to be obeyed. Not at all, of course. Talk to the hand, Rabbi Ben-so-and-so.
The handwriting is the man made ordinances of the Rabbi's. The law itself was not written down. It was handed down in an oral tradition out of respect for God's word. Rabbinical law was written down.
When Christ was crucified and raised to life, the law of God itself could no longer condemn us and the worship requirements of the law were made obsolete (we now draw near to God in covenant through faith in Christ now, not through the ceremonies and procedures of the law anymore). So when the law was nailed to the cross with Christ in regard to those things, the added on Rabbinical law lost it's power and could no longer be enforced.
That's why you can say,"talk to the hand" to the Rabbi you once were required to obey no matter what he said to do in regard to Sabbaths and Holy Days. If the law of God itself does not HAVE to be obeyed in regard to Sabbaths and Feasts, etc. how much more the rulings of the Rabbi's do not now HAVE to be obeyed. That's why no one can judge you in regard to those things.
If the law of Sabbath, for example no longer HAS to be obeyed to be in covenant with God, how much LESS does any rabbinical law that drew it's power from the law of Sabbath have to be obeyed. Not at all, of course. Talk to the hand, Rabbi Ben-so-and-so.
Last edited by a moderator:
I thought so too many years ago when this stuff came to me..
Gen. 29:7 And he said, Lo, it is yet high day, neither is it time that the cattle should be gathered together: water ye the sheep, and go and feed them.8 And they said, We cannot, until all the flocks be gathered together, and till they roll the stone from the well's mouth; then we water the sheep.
Gen. 31:44 Now therefore come thou, let us make a covenant, I and thou; and let it be for a witness between me and thee.
45 And Jacob took a stone, and set it up for a pillar.
46 And Jacob said unto his brethren, Gather stones; and they took stones, and made an heap: and they did eat there upon the heap.
Gen. 49:23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:
24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel)
Ex. 4:Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
Ex. 17:11 And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed.
12 But Moses' hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun.
Ex. 28:9 And thou shalt take two onyx stones, and grave on them the names of the children of Israel:
10 Six of their names on one stone, and the other six names of the rest on the other stone, according to their birth.
Anyway, I could go one and on.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
I love this Book.
Gen. 29:7 And he said, Lo, it is yet high day, neither is it time that the cattle should be gathered together: water ye the sheep, and go and feed them.8 And they said, We cannot, until all the flocks be gathered together, and till they roll the stone from the well's mouth; then we water the sheep.
Gen. 31:44 Now therefore come thou, let us make a covenant, I and thou; and let it be for a witness between me and thee.
45 And Jacob took a stone, and set it up for a pillar.
46 And Jacob said unto his brethren, Gather stones; and they took stones, and made an heap: and they did eat there upon the heap.
Gen. 49:23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:
24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel)
Ex. 4:Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
Ex. 17:11 And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed.
12 But Moses' hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun.
Ex. 28:9 And thou shalt take two onyx stones, and grave on them the names of the children of Israel:
10 Six of their names on one stone, and the other six names of the rest on the other stone, according to their birth.
Anyway, I could go one and on.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
I love this Book.