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I'm sorry Cee, I find zero evidence in the scriptures which say "Faith" alone saves me. I must choose the right "Faith", a certain Faith, the "Faith of Abraham". At least according to His Word.
The Pharisees had Faith. Those in Matt. 7 had "Faith". Did their Faith save them? Can the Faith in the Pope save you?
"Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."
Will Faith in these "Ministers of Righteousness" save me?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
What if you have Faith in the word's on one of these who Jesus warns of? Will that Faith save you?
We will just disagree Cee. Abraham believed in God enough to follow His Instructions, and this was called Faith.
It is through "THIS" Faith that we receive Grace. No other.
The Pharisees had Faith. Those in Matt. 7 had "Faith". Did their Faith save them? Can the Faith in the Pope save you?
"Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."
Will Faith in these "Ministers of Righteousness" save me?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
What if you have Faith in the word's on one of these who Jesus warns of? Will that Faith save you?
We will just disagree Cee. Abraham believed in God enough to follow His Instructions, and this was called Faith.
It is through "THIS" Faith that we receive Grace. No other.
There's a difference between belief and faith. You're talking about belief not faith.
Faith is belief in God. If you have faith, you have right faith.
There is no evidence in Scripture of "right faith". So I don't know where you're getting that idea from.
Faith in Christ saves you. Because only Christ can transform you. The idea that you can have works and faith doesn't work, because without faith that transforms you can't have true works. And faith that doesn't stand on its own, isn't true faith. Because true faith is apart from the Law. Once we are free of the Law, we can love freely. Abraham did believe God, Abraham believed that God was able to do what HE promised. People who preach works don't actually believe God is able to do what He promises, which is save them. They believe their works save them. Not God. And that's no faith at all.
Faith is belief in God. If you have faith, you have right faith.
There is no evidence in Scripture of "right faith". So I don't know where you're getting that idea from.
Faith in Christ saves you. Because only Christ can transform you. The idea that you can have works and faith doesn't work, because without faith that transforms you can't have true works. And faith that doesn't stand on its own, isn't true faith. Because true faith is apart from the Law. Once we are free of the Law, we can love freely. Abraham did believe God, Abraham believed that God was able to do what HE promised. People who preach works don't actually believe God is able to do what He promises, which is save them. They believe their works save them. Not God. And that's no faith at all.
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Brovo Cee, the "right faith" please post a scripture that says, the "right faith." And the Pharisee's had "no faith" at all which is evident of Nicodemus' struggle with unbelief. You are right Cee no evidence in scripture of, "right faith" comepletely false.
Unity and Maturity in the Body of Christ: Ephesians4:5
4) There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;
5) one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6) one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
Unity and Maturity in the Body of Christ: Ephesians4:5
4) There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;
5) one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6) one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
Nice quote...too bad it has nothing to do with your false statement that I addressed.....and your words prove your guilt and my biblical stance....let us recap and reexamine your false statement and what actually pleases God and saves a man....the exact thing you reject and deny....
Originally Posted by Studyman
Everyone has faith in something Cee.
Faith in the Pope will not save you. Faith in Muhammad won't save you. Faith in the long haired men's hair shampoo model Christianity created and place the name of Jesus on won't save you. Faith in your own thoughts will not save you. Faith that is dead will not save you.
Therefore "Faith" alone is not sufficient for Salvation.
Do you deny these truths?
The bolded is false, Satanic and not of GOD.
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
You sir, are a false teacher and you are pushing heresy!
HERE LET ALL SEE AND JUDGE.....
YOU SAID-----> Therefore "Faith" alone is not sufficient for Salvation.
GOD SAID----->It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Everyone has faith in something Cee.
Faith in the Pope will not save you. Faith in Muhammad won't save you. Faith in the long haired men's hair shampoo model Christianity created and place the name of Jesus on won't save you. Faith in your own thoughts will not save you. Faith that is dead will not save you.
Therefore "Faith" alone is not sufficient for Salvation.
Do you deny these truths?
The bolded is false, Satanic and not of GOD.
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
You sir, are a false teacher and you are pushing heresy!
HERE LET ALL SEE AND JUDGE.....
YOU SAID-----> Therefore "Faith" alone is not sufficient for Salvation.
GOD SAID----->It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Sure....now just come online with the truth, get right and trust JESUS by faith before it is too late....OH wait....I forget that you do not believe faith can save a man....which spirit leads you to say that?
God's spirit leads to say the following which totally contradicts your view...
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
God's spirit leads to say the following which totally contradicts your view...
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
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Seriously?
You find no evidence in the Bible that there is such a thing as Faith in other gods, Faith in false doctrines, Faith in false prophets?
1 Kings 18:27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.
They didn't have faith in their god?
Why did Jesus say to "Take Heed"? Why does satan disguise itself as "ministers of Righteousness". Are you saying the Pharisees didn't believe they had Faith in God?
Look, I can see this is getting nowhere. I don't even know how to respond to such a statement.
I don't believe "MY" Works can save me. I believe the Works of the Word which became Flesh can save me as He tells me as much.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
And according to the Bible, who is Jesus?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Duet. 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God (The Word which became Flesh) require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good? God's instructions were made for us as Jesus said.
This is the Jesus I have Faith in. It is His Word's that are a lamp to my feet, and who guide my footsteps.
I don't believe there is any other true God though this world had created many others.
We are just on two different Gospels here Cee.
You find no evidence in the Bible that there is such a thing as Faith in other gods, Faith in false doctrines, Faith in false prophets?
1 Kings 18:27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.
They didn't have faith in their god?
Why did Jesus say to "Take Heed"? Why does satan disguise itself as "ministers of Righteousness". Are you saying the Pharisees didn't believe they had Faith in God?
Look, I can see this is getting nowhere. I don't even know how to respond to such a statement.
I don't believe "MY" Works can save me. I believe the Works of the Word which became Flesh can save me as He tells me as much.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
And according to the Bible, who is Jesus?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Duet. 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God (The Word which became Flesh) require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good? God's instructions were made for us as Jesus said.
This is the Jesus I have Faith in. It is His Word's that are a lamp to my feet, and who guide my footsteps.
I don't believe there is any other true God though this world had created many others.
We are just on two different Gospels here Cee.
I'm trying to understand your position when you say basically ALL Faith is true faith in Christ.
I'm not sure, given the examples of religions in the Bible, The Word's of the Word which became Flesh, and what I see in the religions of this world.
Jesus did say as the word:
"Thou Shall have no other god's before Me"
If there were only one God in the mind of man he wouldn't have said this.
I'm not sure, given the examples of religions in the Bible, The Word's of the Word which became Flesh, and what I see in the religions of this world.
Jesus did say as the word:
"Thou Shall have no other god's before Me"
If there were only one God in the mind of man he wouldn't have said this.
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Hi decon, I stopped reading studyman's posts a long time ago. And now he is saying the bible is full of wrong faiths and you must choose the "right faith.", what a load of garbage. I just posted a short lesson on how to "know "the true from the counterfeit" and the first thing to do is study the true not the counterfeit.
Oh well like before I'm done with studyman, and like before I cannot understand his theology
and it comes not from the bible.
God bless!
Oh well like before I'm done with studyman, and like before I cannot understand his theology
and it comes not from the bible.
God bless!
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WRONG!
IF YOU CAN FIND ONE PERSON THAT GOD, CHOSE TO SAVE HIM; THEN YOU WILL KNOW HOW EVERYONE IN THE UNIVERSE IS SAVED. That is because GOD DOES NOT CHANGE, according to Mal. 3:6.
Romans 4:3-5 (ESV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
Romans 3:20 (CSBBible)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For no one will be justified in his sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin comes through the law.
Galatians 2:16 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
J
LOL...Too funny
He was my absolute favourite character back in the day when they played reruns again and again, calm cool and collected!!
I wish I were sometimes, unfortunately emotions still get the best of me on the rare occasion..hehe.
He was my absolute favourite character back in the day when they played reruns again and again, calm cool and collected!!
I wish I were sometimes, unfortunately emotions still get the best of me on the rare occasion..hehe.