Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances

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eternally-gratefull

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Just so we understand each other, I believe Jesus is the WORD and the WORD is God who became flesh. I also believe God is unchanging. Neither do I believe a loving God who planed our salvation from the foundation of the earth would curse His children in this life.

I also believe we are born sinners after the influence of the Serpent in the Garden and where-ever the true God is, the imposter, the harbinger of death and destruction, is not far behind, hence the curse.
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Ok, You have explained the curse placed on the earth because of sin.

You still have not understood the curse explained in Colossians 2 which was nailed to the cross. That curse is still on us, So it has yet to be destroyed.
 
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I see the Ten Commandments as being from God, and the Levitical Law as being the law of sinful man.
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God gave both. He did not just give the ten..

God Told Moses what to write. God then told the people of Isreal that they must confirm and obey ever word. He also told them to write them in stone again when they entered the promised land. so everyone would remember them.
 
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Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord (The Word which became Flesh) blameless.

This is how the Bible talks about people how love God and have faith in Him. These knew Jesus when He came.

Nothing you preach can erase this biblical Fact.

Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
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But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

This is how the Bible talks about people who create their own Laws and ways and reject God's Instructions. They didn't know Jesus when He came.

I know you preach against this, so does the Pope. I have already shown you where you are in error on this subject, but it is the very foundation of all your preaching against the Christ and His Words. I'm not going to argue with you anymore. Like Jesus said;

Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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Galatians 4:21-26
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?​
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[SUP]22 [/SUP]For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.​
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[SUP]23 [/SUP]But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.​
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[SUP]24 [/SUP]Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.​
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[SUP]25 [/SUP]For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.​
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[SUP]26 [/SUP]But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

This isn't super difficult. Once you have been to Christ.

2 Corinthians 3:12-16
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
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[SUP]13 [/SUP]And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
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[SUP]14 [/SUP]But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
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[SUP]15 [/SUP]But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
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[SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Of course, telling someone that their mind is blinded when Moses is read doesn't really convince them of this fact. All it does is make them upset. But facts are facts.

Galatians 3:3 [SUP] [/SUP]
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Only lawyers and judaizers think so.
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Ok, You have explained the curse placed on the earth because of sin.

You still have not understood the curse explained in Colossians 2 which was nailed to the cross. That curse is still on us, So it has yet to be destroyed.
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God took our sins upon himself, never to be remembered against us any-more. They are finished for those who surrender themselves to Him in faith believing.
 
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God took our sins upon himself, never to be remembered against us any-more. They are finished for those who surrender themselves to Him in faith believing.
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That is only possible because Jesus took what was contrary to us, and against us (the curse of the law) and nailed it to the cross
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
God gave both. He did not just give the ten..

God Told Moses what to write. God then told the people of Isreal that they must confirm and obey ever word. He also told them to write them in stone again when they entered the promised land. so everyone would remember them.
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That is for you to believe, but may I point out that the Golden Calf (Baal) was called LORD, while the true God is also the LORD. Both Lords have opposing natures.
 
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Would you say that death and condemnation are against us and contrary to us???

2 Corinthians 3:7-9
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.​
 
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That is for you to believe, but may I point out that the Golden Calf (Baal) was called LORD, while the true God is also the LORD. Both Lords have opposing natures.
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The golden calf had nothing to do with the law God gave to moses.
 
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That is for you to believe, but may I point out that the Golden Calf (Baal) was called LORD, while the true God is also the LORD. Both Lords have opposing natures.
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do you consider exodus, numbers and Deut inspired scripture?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
That is only possible because Jesus took what was contrary to us, and against us (the curse of the law) and nailed it to the cross
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Yes. The handwritten ordinances that are against us.

For handwriting read G5498 “chirograph”, that is, a manuscript (specifically a legal document or bond.)

These are the ordinances of men that are found the the law (specifically a legal document or bond) that are against us because they are impossible to keep, and so we are condemned by them. They have been blotted out.
 
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Yes. The handwritten ordinances that are against us.

For handwriting read G5498 “chirograph”, that is, a manuscript (specifically a legal document or bond.)

These are the ordinances of men that are found the the law (specifically a legal document or bond) that are against us because they are impossible to keep. They have been blotted out.
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See there you go again saying it is the law of men, not of God, You just did another 180

You also miss the fact the ten commands were part of those ordinances.
 
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Levitical law was abolished with the tearing apart of the veil in the Temple. Now we can enter into the presence of God and live according to His commandments and not the law of men i.e. Moses and the priests.
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Moses created nothing. The Word which became Flesh created everything and gave Moses what He created.

The Priests, however, corrupted what the Christ gave to Moses. I think it is a mistake to claim Moses, and the wicked Kings of Israel, or the Pharisees are the same because they are not. And it is also a mistake to preach there is a difference between what the Word which became Flesh instructed and what Jesus instructed, as they are the same.
 
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I know, all I am saying is that they called their idols LORD. Not to be confused with the true LORD.
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They did not give the law. Moses was given the law.. and he took it from God and gave it to them.
 
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See there you go again saying it is the law of men, not of God, You just did another 180

You also miss the fact the ten commands were part of those ordinances.
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The Levitical Priesthood wrote much of the law.

Personally I believe the Ten Commandments were given by God. Not so with the Rabbinical law that is against us.
 
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The Levitical Priesthood wrote much of the law.

Personally I believe the Ten Commandments were given by God. Not so with the Rabbinical law that is against us.
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I am talking about the law written in the bible not the law written by men after the return of exhile. The law of moses. Given by Moses given to moses from God. which included the ten commands, and many other things (moral law. civil law and ceremonial law) which was given to Moses in the OT.
 
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I am not certain about the laws being writtendown by the Levitical priests, though there are a lot of factors most are not aware of that do figure in to what you have shared.

From Adam until Noah there was oral tradition within which were laws. From Noah until Moses there was also the tradition of oral history with laws. Finally the oral traditions were still and are yet observed to a large degree along with the writingss of Torah, the Prophets and the specific Writings.

Whether what you have shared is or is not in this instance really would not effect the teachings of Jesus christ for He did do away with laws that do not contain mercy, faith and justice. This would cover anything added by men. I know those laws of stoning people to death are definitely not merciful, and my faith tells me the sins requiring the execution of this punishment are are not of Jesus, our God and Father, and it is certainly not just to deprive any soul of time to repent.....

I listen to Jesus on these points of law as it is under mercy......most either will not or do not. So what I believe allows for your wonderful contribution.


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The Levitical Priesthood wrote much of the law.

Personally I believe the Ten Commandments were given by God. Not so with the Rabbinical law that is against us.
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eternally-gratefull said:
I am talking about the law written in the bible not the law written by men after the return of exhile. The law of moses. Given by Moses given to moses from God. which included the ten commands, and many other things (moral law. civil law and ceremonial law) which was given to Moses in the OT.
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The Ten Commandments I believe are God given, while the Oral Law that came down from Moses that contains the moral law, civil law, and ceremonial law is of man that was handwritten by the scribes.
 
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