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The only thing I doubt is man's ability to truly understand God's word without finding something contradictory. No, I don't doubt at all that Christ died for us. Fortunately, I am saved. At least, I like to think I am. Hmm.
What I'm pondering ... is if rapture itself really matters ... and hey, I'm not taking sides here. Most of the time, I struggle to understand a lot of things, so I go into these rooms to attempt to read and learn and see what other people think about these topics. There's nothing for me to rebut. What I'm getting at is that ... having Christ in my heart is more important than anything. And I guess I'm also saying that I (we, all of us) are lucky for that. Yep, I think that's all.
Also, what about people who are saved who struggle to understand God's word? What about people who can't read? What about someone who is handicapped in some way so that they can't imbibe His word? Hopefully they are still saved.
What I'm pondering ... is if rapture itself really matters ... and hey, I'm not taking sides here. Most of the time, I struggle to understand a lot of things, so I go into these rooms to attempt to read and learn and see what other people think about these topics. There's nothing for me to rebut. What I'm getting at is that ... having Christ in my heart is more important than anything. And I guess I'm also saying that I (we, all of us) are lucky for that. Yep, I think that's all.
Also, what about people who are saved who struggle to understand God's word? What about people who can't read? What about someone who is handicapped in some way so that they can't imbibe His word? Hopefully they are still saved.
C....,
Perhaps retrenching to the basics will help;
There are only three things we need to know from scriptures to obtain eternal salvation, what are they;
We must repent of our sins
We must be water baptized
We must live a righteous life according to G-d's law
Those three elements...like the rapture...is presented in The Bible several times in a manner all can understand them.
Remember G-d gave us a basic human instinct to know right from wrong....from birth.
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Brother Endoscopy,
Jesus/God is an Israelite. John is an Israelite. All the writers of the Bible are Israelites. The Bible is the revelation of an Israelite. We are in the family of an Israelite.
I really can't believe that you have made a statement like that. WoW.
Are you even from this planet? You must have never lived near an orthodox Jewish community.
AB Millennialism, is very close to preterism, except that the time line extends beyond 70 ad, with no gap, until this present day and beyond.
The 4 views are not all wrong, and they are not all right. The truth is the only thing that matters.
Show me where, help me out, be spicific.
I have not disagreed with the sequence have I? Show me where.
No symbolism at all? None? Zero? The numbers are not symbolic? The entities and events have no symbolism at all? You can't find any symbolism at all in Revelation? WoW.
This, coming from a pre-tribber, really.
Jesus is an Israelite. The Bible is about Him, an Israelite. The Bible is His words, the words of an Israelite.
Why do you continuously intentionally misrepresent what I say? Are you part of the fake news propaganda ministry? I've showed you ten times now the literal text of Rev 1 using your beloved AMPC. It was all of the "tribes of the earth" (or Land) that saw Him. Here it is again.
Then I showed you where John got his figurative speech from, Jer 25 (pasted below). This is clearly about 6th century BC Jerusalem. Thus John is using this to compare what was about to happen to 70 AD Jerusalem.
Did God punish every person on earth back then? No HE DID NOT!! I can't help you if you cannot read and even comprehend basic figurative prophetic language. And A-F was right when he described how the Jewish people felt about the rest of the earth in those days. Uncircumcised gentiles were filth and almost sub-human in their minds. If you don't know this, you really have never read the OT.
Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth shall gaze upon Him and beat their breasts and mourn and lament over Him. Even so [must it be]. Amen (so be it).
Then I showed you where John got his figurative speech from, Jer 25 (pasted below). This is clearly about 6th century BC Jerusalem. Thus John is using this to compare what was about to happen to 70 AD Jerusalem.
For behold, I am beginning to work evil in the city which is called by My Name, and shall you go unpunished? You shall not go unpunished, for I am calling for a sword against all the inhabitants of the earth, says the Lord of hosts...For the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions have fully come, and you shall fall and be dashed into pieces like a choice vessel.
Did God punish every person on earth back then? No HE DID NOT!! I can't help you if you cannot read and even comprehend basic figurative prophetic language. And A-F was right when he described how the Jewish people felt about the rest of the earth in those days. Uncircumcised gentiles were filth and almost sub-human in their minds. If you don't know this, you really have never read the OT.
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All the tribes of earth is all mankind Dipidy Doo!! 1/3 of mankind will be killed. When did this happen? Oops, it didn't!! When did Jesus return with the whole earth watching and mourning? It didn't. These are not spirit world events!! That is the flaw of the full pretorist view of eschatology!!
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My silly grasshopper,
A noise will come even to the ends of the earth, for the Lord has a controversy and an indictment against the nations; He will enter into judgment with all mankind; as for the wicked, He will give them to the sword, says the Lord.
This was Israel, not all mankind on the planet. This happened in the 6th century BC. You really should stop posting until you've done a little homework and learned these basic concepts.
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It's how they talked back then Brother End.
Now if any one consider these things, he will find that God takes care of mankind, and by all ways possible foreshows to our race what is for their preservation; but that men perish by those miseries which they madly and voluntarily bring upon themselves; for the Jews, by demolishing the tower of Antonia, had made their temple four-square, while at the same time they had it written in their sacred oracles, "That then should their city be taken, as well as their holy house, when once their temple should become four-square." But now, what did the most elevate them in undertaking this war, was an ambiguous oracle that was also found in their sacred writings, how," about that time, one from their country should become governor of the habitable earth." The Jews took this prediction to belong to themselves in particular, and many of the wise men were thereby deceived in their determination. Now this oracle certainly denoted the government of Vespasian, who was appointed emperor in Judea. However, it is not possible for men to avoid fate, although they see it beforehand. But these men interpreted some of these signals according to their own pleasure, and some of them they utterly despised, until their madness was demonstrated, both by the taking of their city and their own destruction.
It's how they talked back then Brother End.
We are talking about God's word not how some people talked back then. A lot of people talked about Jesus plotting to kill Him because of who He said He was. So are we going to do the same? Paul went on a killing spree against Christians holding a paper giving him this authority. Those who helped him right after his confrontation with Jesus feared for their lives because of his reputation for killing Christians. If we get a paper from a high religious source to do evil should we do it?
Brother PW,
That is a big jump to make in associating the 2 events. Not everyone died, 2 didn't.
There was still a portion of unbelieving natural branches after 70 ad who did not accept Jesus.
The Law ended for everybody at the cross, Israelite or gentile. That was it, veil torn.
Your own words should tell you. The Law was dead at the cross. It doesn't matter if they sacrificed or not, the veil was torn. Just like if they built another temple or not, the veil is torn for eternity.
The temple was a dead body with no presence of God. It's remains were to be destroyed along with the city according to prophecy.
Heb 8:7-12, 13, In the previous verses Paul is quoting from Jer 31:31-34. Paul is stating that in Jeremiah's time, when God said a "new covenant", at that time the old covenant was old and ready to pass, in Jeremiah's time.
Paul continues to show how the Law had already passed in ch 13, when he shows that Jesus had enter in, already, to a greater tabernacle Heb 13:11-12.
No, that happened at the cross. Jerusalem and the temple passed in 70 ad at the end of the temple age.
But the Law passed at the cross, at the end of the Law age.
Mat 5:
For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away (ISRAEL), one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
The Law passed at the cross, but the remaining prophecies in the Law and Prophets about the destruction of Jerusalem still had to be fulfilled.
But it doesn't ever say, "The last day of the Lord." So how do you know that it is the last, day of the Lord?
There is another day of the Lord coming against the planet. When the universe and planet will be shaken and the elements will melt.
Yes, it was like a switch was thrown. When the veil was torn, that was it, the Law was dead.
You are saying that the Law was still valid after the veil was torn, but that is like saying that a person is still alive although his dead body is in the next room. The dead body is there, it is not alive even though you act like it is.
Yes.
Yes.
Sorry, but the wrath came on everybody when Jerusalem fell, but the spiritual wrath of of being cut off from God only fell on those who did not accept Jesus.
The kingdom, the kingdom of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that started on the day of Pentecost.
The temple age, they buried the body that had been around for 40 years approx..
The kingdom age began on Pentecost and continues to this day, no gaps.
OK, So exactly where was this place? The presence of Jesus came at the destruction, but it wasn't a resurrection coming. The #2 resurrection has yet to happen.
For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Yes.
I must say again that you and pre-trib are the ones with the gap after 70 ad, not me.
The times of the gentiles/trib last until Israel of the natural branches is restored to military control over Jerusalem. 70ad-1967.
That fills in the gap.
The 3 1/2 times are not years.
You are right about that 70 ad city never being seen again. But the idea that it ToG's ended in 70 ad is coming from the predisposed idea that everything ended then, That is a complete false hood coming from one misrepresented verse. Jesus didn't leave us blind.
Yes.
Yes.
I must say again that you and pre-trib are the ones with the gap after 70 ad, not me.
The times of the gentiles/trib last until Israel of the natural branches is restored to military control over Jerusalem. 70ad-1967.
That fills in the gap.
The 3 1/2 times are not years.
You are right about that 70 ad city never being seen again. But the idea that it ToG's ended in 70 ad is coming from the predisposed idea that everything ended then, That is a complete false hood coming from one misrepresented verse. Jesus didn't leave us blind.
Yes.
The natural branches were not cut off forever, only until the fullness of the gentiles has come in. The idea that the natural branches are cut off forever comes from the RCC, I believe.
They are not cut off forever and the reality that Israel controls Jerusalem today is PROOF that they are not!
In the dreams of a preterist. Brother, you know that there is more, look for it, just don't automatically believe the writings. When you really think about some of the things, you will see that it is short on the time line.
"Our age", the mill didn't end in 70 ad., we are still in the mill, the kingdom age, right now.
Yes.
Look at Israel, No nation can exist against the will of God.
If no nation can exist against the will of God, then this Israel must exist by the will of God.
If this Israel exists by the will of God, then shall we say that it exists by chance? Or by the will of men excluding God?
No, we will say that this Israel exists by the will of God.
Then the will of God is expressed in the Bible.
So the question that you must ask yourself is, Is this Israel shown in the Bible?
The Olivet Discourse is meant to be understood as a multiple Prophecy. Jesus predicted that the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem would happen within the disciples generation and it did. He also predicted his second coming.
We are told how we can tell if a person is a true prophet and that is by seeing the things they predict coming true. Jesus and the OT Prophets used this method of predicting something to happen within the hearers lifetime as proof that all their predictions would occur as they said .Otherwise how would anyone know if they were true of false if they only had
some distant Prophecy to rely on.
The Book of Revelation is no different. It has a multiple application. The plagues caused by the four Horsemen follow
the same pattern as that of Jesus in Matthew and Luke. They are also the same plagues Moses warned Israel about
if they disobeyed Gods Law. The book was addressed to first century churches. If it was only relevant to the last generation before the end why would they bother to read any of it. Also within the book there are warnings that the time for events to happen are short. No amount of time bending and scripture twisting can avoid these plain warnings read by first century Christians who had the same sense of time passing as we do.
The Bible and Revelation in particular uses symbols to represent events and concepts God wants to convey. Ignoring this ends up with a reader in a hopeless muddle. One of the methods is the use of hyperbole to emphasis the severity of Gods Judgement. Jesus uses this when he talks of future tribulation. Here are some other examples:
The Fall Of Edom
All the host of heaven shall rot away and the skies roll up like a scroll
All the host shall fall as leaves fall from a vine, like leaves falling from a fig tree
For my sword has drunk its fill in the heavens behold it descends for judgement upon Edom
upon the people i have devoted for destruction
Isaiah 34:4-5
To Egypt
Son of man raise a lamentation over Pharaoh king of Egypt and say to him
When I blot you out I will cover the heavens and make their stars dark
I will cover the Sun with a cloud and the Moon shall not give its light
All the bright lights of heaven I will make dark over you and put
darkness on your land declares the Lord
Ezekiel 32:2,7-8
The fall of Babylon by the Medes
For the stars of the heavens and their constellations will not give
their light the Sun will be dark at its rising and the Moon will
not shed its light Therefore I will make the Heavens tremble
and the earth will be shaken out of its place at the wrath of the lord
of hosts in the day of his fierce anger
Isaiah 13:10,13
This is how the Prophets described judgement on various nations. The Universe didnt literally come
apart it just felt like it to those the judgement was aimed at. We use expressions in a similar way.
If someone says they had a broken heart would a surgeon find their Heart in bits if they were opened up?
Jesus said there would be Tribulation never seen before or will be again. Had he forgotten the Flood?
of course not. He was using the same mode of expression that the Prophets used. The whole point of all
this is to show how literalism distorts the true meaning of the text we read and the way we understand it.
We are told how we can tell if a person is a true prophet and that is by seeing the things they predict coming true. Jesus and the OT Prophets used this method of predicting something to happen within the hearers lifetime as proof that all their predictions would occur as they said .Otherwise how would anyone know if they were true of false if they only had
some distant Prophecy to rely on.
The Book of Revelation is no different. It has a multiple application. The plagues caused by the four Horsemen follow
the same pattern as that of Jesus in Matthew and Luke. They are also the same plagues Moses warned Israel about
if they disobeyed Gods Law. The book was addressed to first century churches. If it was only relevant to the last generation before the end why would they bother to read any of it. Also within the book there are warnings that the time for events to happen are short. No amount of time bending and scripture twisting can avoid these plain warnings read by first century Christians who had the same sense of time passing as we do.
The Bible and Revelation in particular uses symbols to represent events and concepts God wants to convey. Ignoring this ends up with a reader in a hopeless muddle. One of the methods is the use of hyperbole to emphasis the severity of Gods Judgement. Jesus uses this when he talks of future tribulation. Here are some other examples:
The Fall Of Edom
All the host of heaven shall rot away and the skies roll up like a scroll
All the host shall fall as leaves fall from a vine, like leaves falling from a fig tree
For my sword has drunk its fill in the heavens behold it descends for judgement upon Edom
upon the people i have devoted for destruction
Isaiah 34:4-5
To Egypt
Son of man raise a lamentation over Pharaoh king of Egypt and say to him
When I blot you out I will cover the heavens and make their stars dark
I will cover the Sun with a cloud and the Moon shall not give its light
All the bright lights of heaven I will make dark over you and put
darkness on your land declares the Lord
Ezekiel 32:2,7-8
The fall of Babylon by the Medes
For the stars of the heavens and their constellations will not give
their light the Sun will be dark at its rising and the Moon will
not shed its light Therefore I will make the Heavens tremble
and the earth will be shaken out of its place at the wrath of the lord
of hosts in the day of his fierce anger
Isaiah 13:10,13
This is how the Prophets described judgement on various nations. The Universe didnt literally come
apart it just felt like it to those the judgement was aimed at. We use expressions in a similar way.
If someone says they had a broken heart would a surgeon find their Heart in bits if they were opened up?
Jesus said there would be Tribulation never seen before or will be again. Had he forgotten the Flood?
of course not. He was using the same mode of expression that the Prophets used. The whole point of all
this is to show how literalism distorts the true meaning of the text we read and the way we understand it.
A point of clarification about your post. Jesus said the law is in place until the heavens and earth disappear. The change actually is we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus. Thus we are freed from the penalty of the law through His sacrifice on the cross and resurrection. Those not accepting his sacrifice will be judged by the law at judgement time. Our faith in Jesus releases us from that judgement. A pastor I admired once told me he starts a sermon about the sacrifice with the resurrection and its meaning since if he starts at the cross he might not get to the meaning of the resurrection.
Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV
Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.
Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV
Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.
Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
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First the Bible was written by man under the inspiration of God. Therefore it is the Word of God written by a man. You try to dilute the fact God inspired the text to be modified by the writer. That concept to me is disgusting since it implies that part of it is not from God.
God chose Isreal and his descendents to be the people He would deal with for all to see. Jesus is the descendent of David who was prophesied saying He would end up on the throne of David. He was a Jew, part of the house of Judah contain 2 tribes and a portion of the Levites. The other 10 tribes were scattered. The throne was part of the tribe of Judah. The first time the word Jew is used in the Bible the king of Israel is upset with the king of Judah. Therefore a Jew is a descendant of the house of Judah.
Jesus was part of the house of Judah thus a Jew. The country of Israel was destroyed long before Jesus was born.
God chose Isreal and his descendents to be the people He would deal with for all to see. Jesus is the descendent of David who was prophesied saying He would end up on the throne of David. He was a Jew, part of the house of Judah contain 2 tribes and a portion of the Levites. The other 10 tribes were scattered. The throne was part of the tribe of Judah. The first time the word Jew is used in the Bible the king of Israel is upset with the king of Judah. Therefore a Jew is a descendant of the house of Judah.
Jesus was part of the house of Judah thus a Jew. The country of Israel was destroyed long before Jesus was born.
We are talking about God's Word, yes, as given first to the Jews, first in the OT, then in the NT it was opened up to us. The Bible is the divinely inspired Word of God, this is fact. However, the Bible is also a literary work containing figures of speech and symbolic words with alternative meaning from that of the literal word. This is especially true in the prophetic books. Any decent author today uses a plethora of colorful figurative language to enhance the understanding and reading experience. God is not a boring God, inspiring dull words. He inspired colorful writings using symbols. Each symbol has a literal meaning. If you think every word is to be taken literally, you are missing a great part of the true meaning. Many Christian scholars have written on this topic. Here is a chart showing some of the Biblical symbols in use and their true meanings. Follow the link:
Bible Symbols Chart
The first step to understanding Revelation or any prophetic book is to recognize these symbols when you see them. If you fail to do this, you would be like the Romans in John's day. He wrote using OT symbols so that his audience would understand but not his captors.
According to Bible Gateway, there are 1670 sBiblical ymbols:
https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/dictionary-of-bible-themes/1670-symbols
Now I don't agree with every interpretation of these links but most are correct. Spend some time looking them over as it will help you.
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Like it or not, the Jews were God's chosen people, set apart from the rest of the world. They were taught that they were special. They were to be circumcised unlike the Gentiles. They had established diets, food permissible and not. They had sanitary standards unlike the Gentiles. They had standards of conduct. They were to be the shining example to the rest of the world as God's chosen. Their writings were about them from their prospective. They looked down on outsiders and called them "heathen" and "idolaters" and "pagans." That is Biblical fact. Thus they called themselves "mankind" as I showed you from a quote from Josephus.
There are several pieces of advise I can give any student of prophesy. These are things which took me a life time to learn and it completely altered how I view the Bible and our place in God's plan in a positive and incredible way. It's like going from an old Philips black and white TV to a new 75 inch Samsung plasma (or whatever is better).
1. Learn to recognize prophetic symbolism as it remains true to itself
2. Put yourself in the time of each prophetic writer, in other words, think like they thought, understand what was going on in their time period
3. Audience integrity is so important. Who was the writer, writing to? Identify the audience and what message(s) was the writer trying to convey and the relevancy to the audience?
4. Recognize that English translations are not perfect. Hebrew and Greek words can and do have multiple meanings just as many English words do. Thus translations are not perfect nor are they inspired by God. Only the original text is inspired. Chapter numbers and verse numbers were not inspired either and they were not used in the original manuscripts.
5. Put aside any preconceived biases or notions. Start over ignoring everything you've been taught because unless those teaching you followed the first 4 rules, they are wrong on just about everything.
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AF,
I am associating the ending of two ages, the age before the Mosaic age (whatever you call it) and the end of the Mosaic age and pointing out in each case there was a one generation transition period.
That is NOT true. Your theory violates Mat 5:18. "Heaven and Earth" (Jerusalem and Israel) did not pass away at the Cross and not all was fulfilled. The OT is loaded with prophesy of the final destruction and desolation of Israel. Until the temple fell and the nation was destroyed, not all was fulfilled. Thus Christ's own teaching was that the Law would not pass away until ALL was fulfilled and His Presence returned which happened in 70 AD.
This is why the futurist's view of a future to us second coming has to be false. This is why they invent a new temple and resumption of animal sacrifices. If the Law ended in 70 AD, their futurist view fails because they recognize that the Law needs to end (temple and sacrifices) before Christ can return (or some think Christ ends it upon His return).
The truth is Christ ended the need for sacrifices at the Cross and the new way began, open for all to accept. But God allowed a 40 year transition for people to be educated, especially those not in Jerusalem to witness Christ's ministry, death and resurrection. This is why He sent His disciples out into all the Roman Empire (and none went beyond it) to educate the gentiles but also the Jews of the dispersion.
The veil being torn showed that no longer did one need to follow the Law for redemption of sins as one could pray directly to God, through Christ Jesus. However, a switch was not thrown. At the time of the Cross, the message of Jesus had not gone out beyond Israel. So if a Jew living abroad (and there were many), all the Jews of the diaspora, the so-called 10 lost tribes were still under the Law because they had not heard the message of salvation. Let's say Christ died in 30 AD (or 33). You have a Law abiding Jew living in Turkey who never heard that the Messiah came and died and he dies himself one year after Christ. Too late to accept Christ. Christ had already been to Hades to minister to the dead. No what? Is he screwed? NO!!
This is why Christ didn't return for 40 years to give time for the gospel to be preached to all the known world, to the nations of the diaspora who were living under the Law until they heard the new message of salvation. Don't you see? This is why Christ sent them out so all could hear before He returned because when He returned He was going to pass judgment on every Jew. Every Jew had to have a chance to accept or reject. Those who died under the Law after the Cross but before 70 AD were judged according to the Law with the Blood of Christ retroactively saving them (if they did not hear the message of salvation).
In other words, the Law could not have fully passed at the Cross because the new message of salvation could not have been fully preached until the Cross/Resurrection and until it was heard throughout the nations (known world as in Roman Empire). Besides, all things were not fulfilled until 70 AD. Look again at this passage:
Pretty clear to me, the Law was to remain in effect until HEAVEN AND EARTH PASSED and ALL THINGS PREDICTED OCCURRED.
According to futurists, the Law must still be in effect because they don't think Heaven and Earth passed. Yet, there can be no Law without the temple sacrifices. Thus Heaven = Temple/Jerusalem and Earth = Jerusalem/Israel.
I am associating the ending of two ages, the age before the Mosaic age (whatever you call it) and the end of the Mosaic age and pointing out in each case there was a one generation transition period.
That is NOT true. Your theory violates Mat 5:18. "Heaven and Earth" (Jerusalem and Israel) did not pass away at the Cross and not all was fulfilled. The OT is loaded with prophesy of the final destruction and desolation of Israel. Until the temple fell and the nation was destroyed, not all was fulfilled. Thus Christ's own teaching was that the Law would not pass away until ALL was fulfilled and His Presence returned which happened in 70 AD.
This is why the futurist's view of a future to us second coming has to be false. This is why they invent a new temple and resumption of animal sacrifices. If the Law ended in 70 AD, their futurist view fails because they recognize that the Law needs to end (temple and sacrifices) before Christ can return (or some think Christ ends it upon His return).
The truth is Christ ended the need for sacrifices at the Cross and the new way began, open for all to accept. But God allowed a 40 year transition for people to be educated, especially those not in Jerusalem to witness Christ's ministry, death and resurrection. This is why He sent His disciples out into all the Roman Empire (and none went beyond it) to educate the gentiles but also the Jews of the dispersion.
The veil being torn showed that no longer did one need to follow the Law for redemption of sins as one could pray directly to God, through Christ Jesus. However, a switch was not thrown. At the time of the Cross, the message of Jesus had not gone out beyond Israel. So if a Jew living abroad (and there were many), all the Jews of the diaspora, the so-called 10 lost tribes were still under the Law because they had not heard the message of salvation. Let's say Christ died in 30 AD (or 33). You have a Law abiding Jew living in Turkey who never heard that the Messiah came and died and he dies himself one year after Christ. Too late to accept Christ. Christ had already been to Hades to minister to the dead. No what? Is he screwed? NO!!
This is why Christ didn't return for 40 years to give time for the gospel to be preached to all the known world, to the nations of the diaspora who were living under the Law until they heard the new message of salvation. Don't you see? This is why Christ sent them out so all could hear before He returned because when He returned He was going to pass judgment on every Jew. Every Jew had to have a chance to accept or reject. Those who died under the Law after the Cross but before 70 AD were judged according to the Law with the Blood of Christ retroactively saving them (if they did not hear the message of salvation).
In other words, the Law could not have fully passed at the Cross because the new message of salvation could not have been fully preached until the Cross/Resurrection and until it was heard throughout the nations (known world as in Roman Empire). Besides, all things were not fulfilled until 70 AD. Look again at this passage:
for, verily I say to you, till that the heaven and the earth may pass away, one iota or one tittle may not pass away from the law, till that all may come to pass.
Pretty clear to me, the Law was to remain in effect until HEAVEN AND EARTH PASSED and ALL THINGS PREDICTED OCCURRED.
According to futurists, the Law must still be in effect because they don't think Heaven and Earth passed. Yet, there can be no Law without the temple sacrifices. Thus Heaven = Temple/Jerusalem and Earth = Jerusalem/Israel.
You don't know the half of it when it comes to Koine Judean ancient Greek verbs. I ran into it by accident. Greek has 7 verb tenses and English have 3. None of the Greek tenses translate easily into English. Their present tense for example is present going into the future. English doesn't have that. It is a translators nightmare. Here is a wiki on the subject.
Greek verbs
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_verbs
Greek verbs
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_verbs
Additional comments, I waswas interrupted.
First Daniel states it is a closed book until the end times. Revelation is written the same way so it too is closed.
The symbolism in these 2 books then is a deliberate method of closing the books until the end time events start happening.
Here is a wiki site about Greek verb tenses. It's a translators nightmare.
Greek verbs
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_verbs
Your rules are too simplistic concerning eschatology. Theologians have for centuries looking at the subject have come up with 4 possible Biblical views of eschatology. The closed symbolism of Daniel and Revelation insure only end times will open the books. It was done deliberately by God!!!
Why do some links work and others don't? Puzzling!!!
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