Are there any God ordained feasts I can partake in?

[Dan_473]

Sorry. Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't insert the words "in scripture" like it should be, giving the wrong impression.

I think I agree that there is no stated direction to partake in a feast in the New Testament unless one counts the Lord's Supper as a feast.

I think the kind of feast mentioned in the scripture below, in a positive fashion, is probably what we would call a potluck.

Jude 1: 12. These are hidden rocky reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you

 

[Blik]

I think I agree that there is no stated direction to partake in a feast in the New Testament unless one counts the Lord's Supper as a feast.

I think the kind of feast mentioned in the scripture below, in a positive fashion, is probably what we would call a potluck.

Jude 1: 12. These are hidden rocky reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you

If you only know scripture as being in the NT, then I haven't seen a scripture directly telling us to celebrate with a feast. However, we are given plenty of examples of Jesus and Paul honoring the feasts. Scripture tells us to do this "for all generations". We are told to follow Jesus, and we are told to follow Paul. Jesus, we are told is one with God--we don't have many separate Gods. They speak truth, and there is one truth. Christ and Paul, in scripture, did not give us that scripture apart from God the Father, for God is one.

In Acts 17:10-14 we are told of the Bereans who checked all Paul told them with scripture--that was only the OT at that time. If Paul taught anything different then they knew he wasn't of God, but Paul does not. If God tells us to do something "for all generations" then Paul and Christ tells us to believe in God the Father.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Jude 1: 12. These are hidden rocky reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you

These "love feasts" were connected with the Lord's Supper. Not something on their own. See 1 Corinthians 11. So the Lord's Supper is the only feast for Christians. It would appear that Christians would have a fellowship meal and then have the Lord's Supper on a weekly basis.

As to Christ and the apostles observing feasts under the Old Covenant, we should be clear that the Old Covenant was in force until the crucifixion of Christ. That's how simple the matter is.

We are addressing feasts for the Church, not Israel under the Old Covenant.

 

[FlyingDove]

This has become a... major topic of discussion amongst close family and friends lately. Forsaking "pagan holidays" and being more in line with God's holy days. I've done some research and know that certain feasts are types, and there are anti-types and once fulfilled they are no longer celebrated (they are omitted). What feasts, if any, still exist and are we free to partake in (though not obligated to)?

My father has been watching Michael Rood from Rood Awakening and because of what he is learning (origins), he is desiring to celebrate God ordained feasts, holidays, and what not. Of course we have our canned response that you cannot dismiss certain holidays based on origin because it is the genetic fallacy, dismissing something based upon origin instead of current use or applicability. However, it is still intriguing if there are certain God ordained feasts or celebrations that we can enjoy.

I don't know... this has been a hot topic in my house (and close friends, family, etc) lately. Can some of you more informed believers enlighten me on this discussion?

Hi Ben, I enjoy reading your posts. Here are a few of my own thoughts on the OP question

The 7 Feasts of the Lord
1) Passover, 2) Unleavened Bread, 3) Firstfruits, 4) Pentesost, 5) Rosh Hashanah 6) Yom Kippur 7) Tabernacles

Jesus died on Passover, He was buried on Unleavened Bread, He rose on Firstfruits, He sent the quickening Holy Spirit on Pentecost.

Throughout scripture two kingdoms: Physical & Spiritual are revealed.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam (Jesus Christ) was made a quickening spirit

Adam physical, Christ Spiritual (1 Cor 15:45)

Cain physical, Abel spiritual

Ishmael physical, Isaac spiritual (See Gal 4:22-31)

Esau physical, Jacob spiritual

Israel physical, Body of Christ/Church spiritual

The passover Feast was given to physical Israel. Christ the quicked spirit fulfiled the Feast. When we partake in the Lords Supper. We remember his death (Passover) his burial (uneavened bread) & resurrection (firstfruits). We keep/participate in the spiritual Feast of Passover

At the 1st Pentecost when God gave Moses the law. The physical Nation of Israel was born.

At the 1st Pentecost after Christ's resurrection. Believers became a new creatation (born spiritually) and thereby participate in the Feast of Weeks/Pentacost

After the calling-up/rapture of the Body of Christ/Church. At the return of Christ. ALL Gods focus will return onto Israel & the Fall Feasts will be fulfiled

Anyone that thinks the Feast are forever finished. May want to read Zec 14:16-21

 

[Blik]

These "love feasts" were connected with the Lord's Supper. Not something on their own. See 1 Corinthians 11. So the Lord's Supper is the only feast for Christians. It would appear that Christians would have a fellowship meal and then have the Lord's Supper on a weekly basis.

As to Christ and the apostles observing feasts under the Old Covenant, we should be clear that the Old Covenant was in force until the crucifixion of Christ. That's how simple the matter is.

We are addressing feasts for the Church, not Israel under the Old Covenant.

Are you saying that all the covenants that God made with us before the Last Supper are dead and gone? Do you believe in God the Father?

Would you please give us this "old covenant" that you say is replaced. If it was true that there is scripture told to us in error that we are not to believe, we need to know just what it is.

 

[Blik]

Hi Ben, I enjoy reading your posts. Here are a few of my own thoughts on the OP question

The 7 Feasts of the Lord
1) Passover, 2) Unleavened Bread, 3) Firstfruits, 4) Pentesost, 5) Rosh Hashanah 6) Yom Kippur 7) Tabernacles

Jesus died on Passover, He was buried on Unleavened Bread, He rose on Firstfruits, He sent the quickening Holy Spirit on Pentecost.

Throughout scripture two kingdoms: Physical & Spiritual are revealed.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam (Jesus Christ) was made a quickening spirit

Adam physical, Christ Spiritual (1 Cor 15:45)

Cain physical, Abel spiritual

Ishmael physical, Isaac spiritual (See Gal 4:22-31)

Esau physical, Jacob spiritual

Israel physical, Body of Christ/Church spiritual

The passover Feast was given to physical Israel. Christ the quicked spirit fulfiled the Feast. When we partake in the Lords Supper. We remember his death (Passover) his burial (uneavened bread) & resurrection (firstfruits). We keep/participate in the spiritual Feast of Passover

At the 1st Pentecost when God gave Moses the law. The physical Nation of Israel was born.

At the 1st Pentecost after Christ's resurrection. Believers became a new creatation (born spiritually) and thereby participate in the Feast of Weeks/Pentacost

After the calling-up/rapture of the Body of Christ/Church. At the return of Christ. ALL Gods focus will return onto Israel & the Fall Feasts will be fulfiled

Anyone that thinks the Feast are forever finished. May want to read Zec 14:16-21

According to the Greek thinking and language, the physical and spiritual is separate. But the OT was given by God in Hebrew and more and more science is finding that so was most of the NT. In Hebrew, letters and words can be understood on many different levels and there is a spiritual side to the physical. In Hebrew teachings, it cannot be said that one passage is spiritual only and there is nothing physical about it, or a passage is physical history only with no spiritual message.

 

[wolfwint]

Biblically speaking this is not an accurate statement.

Ex. 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

So you are circumcised? Otherwise you will not please God, arcording your view.
So far I know on the council in Jerusalem in acts 15 it was made clear, that gentiles must not circumcised ore following the thora as the jews has to do.
Again, no scripture says that we have to hold the feasts, exccept the seventh day as restday, which we found in Leviticus 23.
And please, Blik ore somebody from which feasts you are talking? Which God says we should partake?
Till now I dont get an clear answer.

 

[wolfwint]

I agree...and there is more....
Isah chapter 56 talking of the Stranger and the son of strangers (non-Isrealites) how they are NOT cut off from the people of God when they 'join themselves to the Lord....everyone that keeps the Sabbath from polluting it....the Sabbath being one of God's Holy Days !

Christians need to realise they are rejecting the Lord of the Sabbath and true Christ - not just His day...for HIS Presence is in it !

Are I understood you right? Christ presence is in the day?
Like the RCC believes that Christ is in the hostie during the transformation what we called the Lord supper? 7 Is Christ not always present in us through his Spirit?

 

[graceNpeace]

Are you saying that all the covenants that God made with us before the Last Supper are dead and gone? Do you believe in God the Father?

Would you please give us this "old covenant" that you say is replaced. If it was true that there is scripture told to us in error that we are not to believe, we need to know just what it is.

No, he is saying that the Sinaitic covenant (made only with the Israelites, and, only a temporary covenant) has been fulfilled by the New covenant and is no longer binding on New covenant believers...

 

[Nehemiah6]

Are you saying that all the covenants that God made with us before the Last Supper are dead and gone? Do you believe in God the Father?

Now that you are on the "hot seat" you are asking me if I believe in God the Father? Well the Bible is very clear. The Godhead consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. One God, three Divine Persons (Mt 28:19)

What I am saying is that anyone who has truly received Christ as Lord and Savior will make sure that he remains under the New Covenant.

Would you please give us this "old covenant" that you say is replaced.

You will find the Old Covenant is Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. But Christ Himself is the Christian's Passover Lamb, hence "Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us". And here is what the Lord Jesus Christ said before He was crucified:

And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, [NEW COVENANT] which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. (Mt 26:27-29)

Do you see the close connection between the New Covenant and the Lord's Supper? That should settle the issue finally.

 

[Blik]

Now that you are on the "hot seat" you are asking me if I believe in God the Father? Well the Bible is very clear. The Godhead consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. One God, three Divine Persons (Mt 28:19)

What I am saying is that anyone who has truly received Christ as Lord and Savior will make sure that he remains under the New Covenant.

You will find the Old Covenant is Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. But Christ Himself is the Christian's Passover Lamb, hence "Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us". And here is what the Lord Jesus Christ said before He was crucified:

And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, [NEW COVENANT] which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. (Mt 26:27-29)

Do you see the close connection between the New Covenant and the Lord's Supper? That should settle the issue finally.

What I am questioning about your interpretation of scripture is not whether Christ has come and is our sacrificial lamb and our Savior. What I am questioning is that all the covenants that God gave us before this new covenant is dead and gone.

We know what is obsolete, now. The Holy Spirit is given to all of us for a guide. Christ is our sacrificial lamb. It isn't that anything of God is gone but we are given the same things only much better. Some things are obsolete, but scripture is specific about just what is, and the celebrations of God's redemption for us is NOT in that list of what is obsolete.

What I cannot believe is true is that when we were given Christ as our Savior it was a cancellation of what His Father taught us---that a new covenant wiped out all the old covenants.

 

[BenFTW]

What I am questioning about your interpretation of scripture is not whether Christ has come and is our sacrificial lamb and our Savior. What I am questioning is that all the covenants that God gave us before this new covenant is dead and gone.

We know what is obsolete, now. The Holy Spirit is given to all of us for a guide. Christ is our sacrificial lamb. It isn't that anything of God is gone but we are given the same things only much better. Some things are obsolete, but scripture is specific about just what is, and the celebrations of God's redemption for us is NOT in that list of what is obsolete.

What I cannot believe is true is that when we were given Christ as our Savior it was a cancellation of what His Father taught us---that a new covenant wiped out all the old covenants.

You're free to be under the Old Covenant, but then too are you a debtor to the whole Law and with it, condemnation. I think you should rather rejoice at the grace and mercy of God, that He has granted you a righteousness that is not of the law, but of faith. Faith in the Son of God. It is through this that the righteousness of God is imputed to you, and the righteous requirement of the Law is fulfilled (in Christ, imputed to you).

 

[Blik]

No, he is saying that the Sinaitic covenant (made only with the Israelites, and, only a temporary covenant) has been fulfilled by the New covenant and is no longer binding on New covenant believers...

The God I am speaking of is the true God, God created all people. He is the God of all. He created the Hebrew race because people made up Gods of their design and were not true. God made the Hebrew race to show the world what He is like. If the God you speak of is only of Israel, it is not the true God.

 

[Blik]

You're free to be under the Old Covenant, but then too are you a debtor to the whole Law and with it, condemnation. I think you should rather rejoice at the grace and mercy of God, that He has granted you a righteousness that is not of the law, but of faith. Faith in the Son of God. It is through this that the righteousness of God is imputed to you, and the righteous requirement of the Law is fulfilled (in Christ, imputed to you).

If I was under the law and not under Christ for forgiveness, I would be in serious trouble for, as you say, I would have to obey all law. I am a child of God, created by Him and subject to all He says. God is of three persons, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. I am led by God, and led to keep ALL the law. The Holy Spirit leads me in that, but I am a human being and cannot keep all the law no matter how I try. Therefore I put myself under Christ who forgives my sins. I am under Christ for forgiveness, not forgiven because of keeping law. Christ asks me to repent of sin and turn from it. Therefore, I listen and learn law to walk with Christ and turn from sin as much as I am able.

All this doesn't have anything to do with me saying I won't listen to anything God directs in the OT, labeling it old covenant and refusing to listen to it.

 

[BenFTW]

If I was under the law and not under Christ for forgiveness, I would be in serious trouble for, as you say, I would have to obey all law. I am a child of God, created by Him and subject to all He says. God is of three persons, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. I am led by God, and led to keep ALL the law. The Holy Spirit leads me in that, but I am a human being and cannot keep all the law no matter how I try. Therefore I put myself under Christ who forgives my sins. I am under Christ for forgiveness, not forgiven because of keeping law. Christ asks me to repent of sin and turn from it. Therefore, I listen and learn law to walk with Christ and turn from sin as much as I am able.

All this doesn't have anything to do with me saying I won't listen to anything God directs in the OT, labeling it old covenant and refusing to listen to it.

Who has said to ignore the OT? There is much to learn. Many things point to Christ, the Messiah. Just today I was reading about the bronze serpent that the Israelites looked to in order to be saved (from the fiery serpents) and how it was actually a symbol of Jesus and sin on the cross, because Jesus became sin for us, who knew no sin (paying the penalty of sin as if He had committed it, when He did not).

There are many amazing truths in the Torah.

 

[Blik]

Who has said to ignore the OT? There is much to learn. Many things point to Christ, the Messiah. Just today I was reading about the bronze serpent that the Israelites looked to in order to be saved (from the fiery serpents) and how it was actually a symbol of Jesus and sin on the cross, because Jesus became sin for us, who knew no sin (paying the penalty of sin as if He had committed it, when He did not).

There are many amazing truths in the Torah.

Isn't the OT full of old covenants that most posters say is replaced by the new covenant? If these people find amazing truths they seem to be saying they decide what is old and needs to be tossed out and these amazing truths.

I find the 119th psalm an amazing truth, yet it is as old covenant as anything can be.

 

[Honey_Bee]

What I always find interesting, is why don't we accept the words on the page as they are written? The only time you will see the term "Lord's supper" in the bible, it says, after v18 "When you come together in church", and v19 "heresies", (that they which are approved may be manifest) ;

[SUP]20 [/SUP]When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.


The bible instructs us, "Study to shew thyself "approved" unto God"... we do not have feasts or sacraments of the altar. When I study words, terms and subjects like idolatry, arousal(of the flesh), reprobate(thinking), I began to see what approved, and "proving", really meant from a spiritual sense for doctrines. We are to "judge ourselves", "recover ourselves" and even "cleanse ourselves" of wrong thinking, wrong doctrine, wrong behavior, etc

Rightly dividing the word of truth, means recognizing distinctions in the word of truth... as Paul communicated to Peter,

"But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel."

Just as the ministry of John the baptist diminished and the earthly ministry of Christ began, the ministry of reconciliation brought forward a transition in truths and doctrines. Why do you think Paul was arrested, because he was preaching Christ according to the revelation of the mystery, the message of Christianity.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, *which was kept secret since the world began* (not from the foundation of the world, mind you).

 

[graceNpeace]

Isn't the OT full of old covenants that most posters say is replaced by the new covenant? If these people find amazing truths they seem to be saying they decide what is old and needs to be tossed out and these amazing truths.

I find the 119th psalm an amazing truth, yet it is as old covenant as anything can be.

You are continuing, incorrectly, to paint with a very broad brush!
The only covenant that has been abrogated is the Sinaitic covenant!

None of the other covenants have been abrogated although they have been mostly fulfilled in Christ!

I personally wish that people would stop using the term "Old covenant" - it is imprecise and meaningless!
I know that what they really mean is the "Sinaitic covenant", but you are exploiting that imprecision to accuse people of saying things that they patently did not mean...

 

[Dan_473]

If you only know scripture as being in the NT, then I haven't seen a scripture directly telling us to celebrate with a feast. However, we are given plenty of examples of Jesus and Paul honoring the feasts. Scripture tells us to do this "for all generations". We are told to follow Jesus, and we are told to follow Paul. Jesus, we are told is one with God--we don't have many separate Gods. They speak truth, and there is one truth. Christ and Paul, in scripture, did not give us that scripture apart from God the Father, for God is one.

In Acts 17:10-14 we are told of the Bereans who checked all Paul told them with scripture--that was only the OT at that time. If Paul taught anything different then they knew he wasn't of God, but Paul does not. If God tells us to do something "for all generations" then Paul and Christ tells us to believe in God the Father.

I think if we want to celebrate the Passover the way Jesus did, we would need to keep it in Jerusalem.

I see the law as a single unit, something that can't be broken up into pieces and still be of value as something to be kept.


Then Moses said, “This is*[x]what the*Lord*has commanded, ‘Let an omerful of it be kept throughout your generations, that they may see the bread that I fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you out of the land of Egypt.’”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+16&version=NASB


Imo, if the law is to be kept throughout all generations then it makes sense to me that it would be kept in the way that it is written on our hearts, as the New Covenant.

 

[Dan_473]

These "love feasts" were connected with the Lord's Supper. Not something on their own. See 1 Corinthians 11. So the Lord's Supper is the only feast for Christians. It would appear that Christians would have a fellowship meal and then have the Lord's Supper on a weekly basis.

As to Christ and the apostles observing feasts under the Old Covenant, we should be clear that the Old Covenant was in force until the crucifixion of Christ. That's how simple the matter is.

We are addressing feasts for the Church, not Israel under the Old Covenant.

yes, that sounds right.

I note also that when Jesus died the veil of the temple was ripped in two.