nothing happened at all; you either just fail to understand what has been told to you and you have read, or you willfully look for something to argue about, because being contrary is all you know to do. i don't know which it is.
you said "being under the Law means death in the context of" Romans 7:1
and quoted Romans 2:11-13 as though this is the context of Romans 7.
it's not.
the Law means the Law. do you think Romans 7 is talking about a different "the Law" ?
No, not at all.
6 But now we are delivered from the law,
that being dead wherein we were held;
that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not
in the oldness of the letter.
You seem to preach that the reason the Law killed us is because we followed it. And Jesus saved us by paying the death our obedience caused so we can create your own religion now, each to his own, and transgress the Commandments of God by our own religious traditions.
I don't believe this preaching. I believe what Paul teaches.
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned
without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned
in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For
not the hearers of the law
are just before God,
but the doers of the law shall be justified.
But I already broke His Commandments, so I am "dead in my sins", I am under the "curse" of the Law, "the wages of sin is death". But Jesus has freed me from this death, He has given me a new chance to "Pick up my cross and follow Him" this time, instead of guiding my own footsteps which caused my death in the first place, I will not only have His Commandments, but this time I will strive, with His help, to follow His Instructions. Not the religions of the land as you preach, but the righteous instructions of the Word which became Flesh.
you're confused. read the rest of Romans 2, then Romans 3-5.
no one is justified by the Law: no one "
does" it.
only Jesus Christ.
I'm not confused, I just know what the scripture says.
27 Where
is boasting then?
It is excluded. By what law?
of works?
Nay:
but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith
without the deeds of the law.
What was this chapter talking about in the first place?
1 What advantage then
hath the Jew? or what profit
is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that
unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe?
shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Unbelief in What? That Jesus is the Messiah, will you also deny this Biblical fact? So if they didn't believe in the Messiah, then they didn't believe in His Promise in Jer. 31. And if they didn't "BELIEVE" in the Promise in Jer. 31, then they would still be performing the duties and service of the Levitical Priesthood. What were the duties of this "Law"? To administer God's Laws to the people, and to perform sacrificial ceremonial "Work's of the Law" for atonement of sins. Paul is telling the Gentiles that these Jews were depending on these "Works" or "Deeds" of the Law for remission of sins instead of Faith in the Messiah, like Abraham did, who had God's Laws, but didn't have the Priesthood which wasn't added until 430 years later.
You don't know this because your knowledge comes from men and not from the Word of God. I am telling this to you because it is true and the Bible confirms this truth both in every scripture in the NT and in every scripture in the OT. There is the "law of Faith" that Abraham had, and the "Law of Works" that was added 430 years after Abraham. Paul is explaining this in Gal. 3, and Romans 3. Man is not justified by the works or deeds of the Laws given to Moses for the atonement of sins. But the Law of Faith, Love the Lord, and Love your neighbors, and God's instructions on how to follow them are required as Paul said in Rom. 2 and
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing,
but the keeping of the commandments of God.
And again;
19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa,
I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea,
and then to the Gentiles, that they (ALL)
should repent and
turn to God, and
do works meet for repentance.
the same Jesus you claim to honor said; "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."
So it isn't me who is confused about Paul's teaching, it is you.
if you could be justified by the Law, Christ died for nothing.
Paul is making a complex argument, laying out a systematic theology reasoning that salvation is found in Jesus Christ, and nowhere else: for all have sinned, both those under the Law and those not under it. no one is justified by the Law. i already quoted this to you ((why do you accuse me of '
building a religion from one verse' ? i give you dozens, daily! aren't you yourself trying to do the exact same thing you accuse others of? hey - doesn't Romans 2:21-24 attest to exactly this? i left off quoting it to you yesterday to avoid shaming you, but you ask for it today!))
You twist the same few scriptures the Pope uses to support his religion. You refuse to even acknowledge my posts other than replying with a scripture you think beats up, or makes Void, all the other verses in the Bible.
Please post scriptures, I am all about God's words, All of them.
24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles
through you, as it is written.
25 For circumcision verily profiteth,
if thou keep the law:
but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision (Gentiles)
keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Why is God's Name Blasphemed through the Jews?? Because they honored God with obedience as did Abraham and Zechariahs and Caleb and Noah and the rest of the examples of Faith in the Bible? Or is it because they transgressed the Commandments of God by their religious traditions? Of course you can't answer thins. Paul is once again exposing your religion.
27 And shall not uncircumcision (Gentiles)
which is by nature,
if it fulfil the law,
judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision
dost transgress the law?
Just because they are Jews doesn't give them the license to sin against God, and if a Gentile "turns to God" in repentance isn't his obedience considered "Circumcision"? will the obedient Gentile not judge the disobedient Jew?
No Post, I am not confused, but you sure are.
