MARIJUANA.

[AliceOfLegend]

Potential medicinal uses, does not justify recreational use.

Medical Marijuana is not legal in ALL states.

I'm not justifying recreational use.

Guess what I happen to live in Maine, where medical is legal.

and to the people who say it makes them not productive, just because it doesn't make you productive and you get lazy, doesn't mean that it does that to everyone.

Some people it actually helps get things done. there are many different types of marijuana. and they don't all work the same way.

 

[JohnKnox]

I am not the only person with these opinions.

I know, I've come across a few people w/an axe to grind.

they way you are arguing seems to imply that if you don't know for sure if it will work for you, you shouldn't take it.

if that were true no one should ever be prescribed any medication. you never know how any of it will work for sure, until you take it for a bit.

It's not about knowing exactly what effects a treatment will have on an individual. It's about knowing the effects and possible effects on the human body, and also different types of bodies, and how to watch out for these effects. (I guess that covers it)
I'm saying I don't trust the murky world of medical marijuana. I don't trust that it has to be prescribed by courts. I don't trust the marijuana lobby. I also mistrust the increasingly abusive use of the word "compassion".
You make it clear you don't trust mainstream medicine. I understand that, but I don't think that's objective. If you've opted for dangerous treatments, I'd be happy to know that they did work for you, but you have to understand, you are just one person. An untried, dangerous treatment is only worthwhile to those who land on their feet. Again, I'd be very happy to know that you were one of them.

 

[AliceOfLegend]

" It's not about knowing exactly what effects a treatment will have on an individual. It's about knowing the effects and possible effects on the human body, and also different types of bodies, and how to watch out for these effects. (I guess that covers it)" No that doesn't cover it, you can never be 100% certain how ANY medication is going to affect the human body.

Dangerous treatments? Yes it seems as though those prescriptions were dangerous. Doctors still prescribe them EVERY day because the effects of the drugs are different for some. Marijuana helps a lot of people, not everyone.

Also, I'm not against medication, I know it works for some, but I'm still cautious

 

[JohnKnox]

" It's not about knowing exactly what effects a treatment will have on an individual. It's about knowing the effects and possible effects on the human body, and also different types of bodies, and how to watch out for these effects. (I guess that covers it)" No that doesn't cover it, you can never be 100% certain how ANY medication is going to affect the human body.

I'm going to try to explain this one more time, being as concise as possible, and leave it at that: the point isn't being 100% certain. It's about being informed. I don't think the data are there to sufficiently inform anyone about marijuana.

Dangerous treatments? Yes it seems as though those prescriptions were dangerous. Doctors still prescribe them EVERY day because the effects of the drugs are different for some. Marijuana helps a lot of people, not everyone.

Like I said... sister... I'm very happy if it was worthwhile for you, especially in lieu of kidney failure. But that happiness is tainted by the perception that your anecdote might inspire intemperate and ill-advised use of marijuana, especially when they hear about what the ostensible scientific method did to you. And it's easy to do! Anecdotes are very powerful. I think my dad an intelligent man, but he once saw this woman on TV singing the praises of a certain natural remedy and about how much it did for her. He expected it to do the same for me. I had a very hard time making him understand that there is a great variety among patients with my condition. In the end, I talked to my dr about it, who told me that not much is known about this natural remedy, but it is suspected to interact in very bad ways with what I was taking at the time. So I might have really dodged a bullet by not being affected by this anecdote.

 

[AliceOfLegend]

Okay.

Glad you did your research before taking something. That's what everyone should do. (with doctor recommended medications as well.)

 

[alwaysunsure]

I don't think it should illegal , its not as dangerous as cigarettes and alcohol alot of people it does help with pain, and mental issues such as anxiety its made out to be as bad as cocaine, meth or heroin a gateway drug but anyone that I know that does meth doesn't like weed and oh yeah its more god made then anything else I listed

 

[AliceOfLegend]

I don't think it should illegal , its not as dangerous as cigarettes and alcohol alot of people it does help with pain, and mental issues such as anxiety its made out to be as bad as cocaine, meth or heroin a gateway drug but anyone that I know that does meth doesn't like weed and oh yeah its more god made then anything else I listed

Agreed, it's more God made then any of the "safe" medications.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Poison Ivy is God made too. We should roll that up and smoke it too.

I'm not against Medicinal use, as if someone is on chemo, lacking an appetite, uses Marijuana, and then gets the munchies. If that keeps a person alive, I have nothing against that.


As far as any other use, it should be illegal. It is a gateway drug. There is a DVD, "Crackheads Gone Wild" that is partly a joke, but it interviews a lot of people addicted to crack, and of the ones I could stand to watch, they all started with weed, and then wanted to get a stronger high so they laced their weed with crack. Then they smoked the weed, and the crack.

 

[Maddog]

As far as any other use, it should be illegal. It is a gateway drug. There is a DVD, "Crackheads Gone Wild" that is partly a joke, but it interviews a lot of people addicted to crack, and of the ones I could stand to watch, they all started with weed, and then wanted to get a stronger high so they laced their weed with crack. Then they smoked the weed, and the crack.

Just a thought, but could it not be (at least partly) the fact that cannabis is illegal that makes it a 'gateway drug'? Ie. since they're already breaking the law by possessing cannabis, there is less reason to refrain from moving on to harder drugs. Were cannabis legal, then many people may well be content with that and staying on the right side of the law.

 

[jimmydiggs]

So the logical response Red_Tory gave on the Gay Marriage thread about a Slippery Slope, that you agreed with, has absolutely no relevance when it comes to legalization of Cannabis?

If Cannabis is legalized, it sends the message that it is "OK" to use. So then what is wrong with Cocaine?

 

[Maddog]

So the logical response Red_Tory gave on the Gay Marriage thread about a Slippery Slope, that you agreed with, has absolutely no relevance when it comes to legalization of Cannabis?

I'm suggesting that redrawing the line on what's legal and what's not may appease those who are already using cannabis and dissuade them from moving onto harder drugs. As it stands though, cannabis users have already broken the law so their fear of legal repercussions from harder drugs is probably lessened.

If Cannabis is legalized, it sends the message that it is "OK" to use. So then what is wrong with Cocaine?

Since you asked, I don't think there's anything intrinsically wrong with coke.

It's not a slippery slope in the same sense as gay marriage leading to incest is. That was a rational extrapolation based on the argument for gay marriage which can just as easily be applied to incest. Our drugs laws (presumably) derive from a different set of critera ie. they are based on the harm they do to society and/or individuals etc. Since each drug is different, they must be assessed individually on a case by case basis, so the legalisation of cannbis would not logically necessitate the legalisation of coke (for example).

 

[Credo_ut_Intelligam]

So the logical response Red_Tory gave on the Gay Marriage thread about a Slippery Slope, that you agreed with, has absolutely no relevance when it comes to legalization of Cannabis?

If Cannabis is legalized, it sends the message that it is "OK" to use. So then what is wrong with Cocaine?

That depends on the parity of the arguments. The arguments homosexuals set forth work just as well for incest, bestiality, and pedophilia.

But it's not immediately clear how some arguments for cannabis work just as well for cocaine. Is cocaine just as addictive as cannabis? What is the safe amount cocaine compared to the safe amount of cannabis? Is cocaine equally harmful to health has cannabis?

However, some persons use arguments for the legalization of cannabis that do work just as well for the legalization of cocaine. Usually, these persons are Libertarians (not the metaphysical brand I was talking about in the thread about God's foreknowledge, but the political brand... the two are unrelated).

Libertarians will usually argue that persons have the right to harm their own bodies if they choose to. So even if cannabis or cocaine is harmful to themselves it shouldn't be disallowed by the government... but then most libertarians don't think there should be much of a government.

So there may be some arguments for cannabis that are a slippery slope for cocaine, but then those persons who argue in that way probably wouldn't care that it allows for cocaine either. But it doesn't look like all arguments will work that way.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Why don't you just say, that you want to be able to smoke weed?


http://www.gotquestions.org/sin-drugs.html <--- I suggest you read and consider.

 

[Credo_ut_Intelligam]

Why don't you just say, that you want to be able to smoke weed?

Because I don't want to be able to smoke weed.

What does the Bible say about doing drugs? <--- I suggest you read and consider.

I skimmed it. I didn't catch any good arguments, but I saw some bad ones.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I skimmed it. I didn't catch any good arguments, but I saw some bad ones.

So then, tell me. What do you consider to be good arguments to keep it illegal or bad arguements to keep it illegal?

In addition, what do you consider to be good arguements for legalization, and bad arguements for legalization?

 

[Credo_ut_Intelligam]

So then, tell me. What do you consider to be good arguments to keep it illegal or bad arguements to keep it illegal?

In addition, what do you consider to be good arguements for legalization, and bad arguements for legalization?

See post 41, 44, 45, 55.

 

[FrankensteinGirls]

I'm a little concerned about the fact that cannibis is being put in the same catagory as coke. They effect the body very differently.
If your against cannibis you should be against a lot of different things, such as most prescriptions, some fish, among other things that for some could be deemed unsafe. (mentioned fish because there is some when prepared incorrectly can kill)

 

[Red_Tory]

I can't say whether I'm for or against medical marijuana because I'm not a doctor.

 

[christian_guy]

I think (mainly Americans) are misinformed about cannabis. It does have amazing healing properties that can cure the body of many ills. It only becomes a problem when you alter your mind with it. And with that said technically any drug can be sinful if it is overindulged and is used to replace God. now of course it is illegal in the us so thus it would be a sin but in places that it isn't illegal I would have to say it's okay to smoke it (in reasonable amounts)

two things I would like to remind you, Jesus first miracle was turning water to wine and in 1 Timothy 5:23 Paul tells timothy to drink a bit of wine to cure his stomach problems

23 Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses. (NIV)

For a short time America ban all alcoholic products. If politicians only read the bible and knew its policy on the issue they would have come to a better conclusion on alcohol, I think the same can be said about Marijuana.

The second thing I would like to remind you is to respect those who feel uncomfortable with drugs. We all have different levels of spirituality and the bible tells us not to smear the conscious of a good man. I forget the bible verse but there was one letter from Paul where he talks about eating pagan food. He said that he didn

 

[christian_guy]

aah! my thing got cut off, here is the rest of my rant

The second thing I would like to remind you is to respect those who feel uncomfortable with drugs. We all have different levels of spirituality and the bible tells us not to smear the conscious of a good man. I forget the bible verse but there was one letter from Paul where he talks about eating pagan food. He said that he didn