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[Slayer]

Slayer, Jesus told the rich young ruler to sell all that he had to gain eternal life. I hope you have done that.

I'm glad Jesus never told me to do that, He told the rich young ruler not me. That young man was a slave to his god of mammon, I don't believe in that god.
I believe in the One true God, you don't need to be rich to be slave to the god of mammon. Most of those who live in poverty are slaves of that god as well, and all those who call themselves Christians and don't give sacrificially are also slaves to that god.

 

[preston39]

Lucifer was a son of God who became lost.

He is now called the enemy of God.


Judas, likewise was appointed and destined to reign and rule with Christ and the other apostles.

He also became lost.


Please tell me you understand the simple truth that for a son to become lost, he first must belong to the Lord.


What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7


All 100 sheep belong to the shepherd.

They are his sheep.

• What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them JPT

J...,

I think I smell a hint of what is not in scriptures in your post. (leave it at that for now)

What IS IN that scripture is.... It is symbolic of caring for each and every person and the desire to see them saved.

 

[justpassinthrough]

We can't compare the situation they dealt with 2000 years ago to today. Today's Church is far more able to do Gods work than the early Church. We have everything we need to build the Church so that it can feed all the worlds poor and bring the Gospel to them, the only limiting factor is greedy Christians.

Greedy Pastors who build giant elaborate buildings, but refuse to make disciples.



JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

I use believer and true believer to describe the difference between the elect of God and the hypocrites and reprobate, who claim to believe but they are exposed as unbelievers.

You are free to use whatever words you want.


What you are not free to do, is to change what the doctrine of Christ teaches us, by replacing His words with your words.


Please don't do that.


He gave to His servants talents.

These are not reprobates, or unbelievers.


“For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey. Matthew 25:14-15


Why would Jesus entrust talents to reprobates or unbelievers and expect them to produce more to benefit Him and His people.



And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. Luke 12:42-46


Here Jesus again refers to His people, His stewards, His servants who He has promoted to be a ruler over His people, to distribute food to them.


The ones who are faithful in doing this will be blessed when He returns.

• Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes.

But those who think their Master, their Lord, their King, is delayed in His return and begin to abuse His servants whom they were entrusted to watch over and give provision, and associate with the immoral, will be cut in two and assigned with the unbelievers in hell.

• But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk,

• the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Do you understand that "cut in two" in a reference to the punishment of covenant breakers?




JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

J...,

I think I smell a hint of what is not in scriptures in your post. (leave it at that for now)

What IS IN that scripture is.... It is symbolic of caring for each and every person and the desire to see them saved.

Brother, Jesus uses specific language in His teaching.


Do you believe the lost need to be saved?



“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.
Luke 15:4-7

• likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

Those who wander away from Christ and become lost, are sinners in need of repentance.


Those who remain reconciled to Christ are called "just" persons.




James says it this way -


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

• Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth,

• let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death

JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

I'm glad Jesus never told me to do that, He told the rich young ruler not me.

 

[UnderGrace]

[/QUOTE]I'm glad Jesus never told me to do that, He told the rich young ruler not me. That young man was a slave to his god of mammon, I don't believe in that god.
I believe in the One true God, you don't need to be rich to be slave to the god of mammon. Most of those who live in poverty are slaves of that god as well, and all those who call themselves Christians and don't give sacrificially are also slaves to that god.[/QUOTE]


You only know if you are a slave to something when you no longer have it, then the truth is revealed about oneself.

Careful not to assume too much about oneself.

 

[PennEd]

Lucifer was a son of God who became lost.

He is now called the enemy of God.


Judas, likewise was appointed and destined to reign and rule with Christ and the other apostles.

He also became lost.


Please tell me you understand the simple truth that for a son to become lost, he first must belong to the Lord.


What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7


All 100 sheep belong to the shepherd.

They are his sheep.

• What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them

JPT

Judas is a perfect example that displays following Christ does NOT make you a Christian.

Judas followed Jesus for 3 yrs. Saw incredible miracles. Likely performed miracles himself, along with the other Apostles.
BUT JUDAS WAS NEVER A BELIEVER. He never believed Jesus was the Son of God. He never addressed Jesus as Lord. Even at the end he didn't say he betrayed God or God's Son. He said he'd betrayed innocent blood.

Vastly different than Peter who denied the Lord likely usingprofanity. Peter HAD declared who Jesus is.

Satan did not just become lost. He seeks/sought to usurp God's throne. He is also not human. Jesus did not become and die for the fallen Angels. They are ineligible for Salvation.

 

[Slayer]

Greedy Pastors who build giant elaborate buildings, but refuse to make disciples.



JPT

Sounds like you have fallen victim to Devils like Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn. You may have suffered loss due to your poor judgement in the past, but don't let that put you off. There are faithful Churches out there, you just need to look and ye shall find

 

[Slayer]

I'm glad Jesus never told me to do that, He told the rich young ruler not me. That young man was a slave to his god of mammon, I don't believe in that god.
I believe in the One true God, you don't need to be rich to be slave to the god of mammon. Most of those who live in poverty are slaves of that god as well, and all those who call themselves Christians and don't give sacrificially are also slaves to that god.[/QUOTE]


You only know if you are a slave to something when you no longer have it, then the truth is revealed about oneself.

Careful not to assume too much about oneself.[/QUOTE]
God has blessed me and my whole family with abundance, my father is a successful business man but he is a Roman Catholic and he only gives like $5 a week to his church. God has blessed my business and I'm no where near as wealthy as my father but I give in the hundreds a week.

I don't drink, smoke, gamble and I don't buy designer label clothes, I don't eat in restaurants often, my car is 7 years old, I never go to the movies of sporting events, I don't buy expensive furniture, I don't go on expensive vacations, I don't peruse any hobbies except for the occasional hunting and fishing outings, I don't waste any money on vein things so I can contribute as much as possible to God.

I'm not saying that I'm good because I give generously and sacrificially, we know that only God is good, I'm saying that anyone who takes Gods Word seriously would make every effort to contribute as much money as possible to God.

 

[mailmandan]

Judas is a perfect example that displays following Christ does NOT make you a Christian.

Judas followed Jesus for 3 yrs. Saw incredible miracles. Likely performed miracles himself, along with the other Apostles.
BUT JUDAS WAS NEVER A BELIEVER. He never believed Jesus was the Son of God. He never addressed Jesus as Lord. Even at the end he didn't say he betrayed God or God's Son. He said he'd betrayed innocent blood.

In Matthew 10:1, we read that Jesus gave His 12 disciples power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. This would include Judas Iscariot, yet Jesus referred to Judas Iscariot as an unbelieving, unclean devil who would betray Him! (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11). Apparently, Judas believed that Jesus' name has the power to cast out demons but did not truly believe in His name (John 1:12) and become a child of God, but instead was the son of perdition (John 17:12).

 

[know1]

We can't compare the situation they dealt with 2000 years ago to today. Today's Church is far more able to do Gods work than the early Church. We have everything we need to build the Church so that it can feed all the worlds poor and bring the Gospel to them, the only limiting factor is greedy Christians.

Right?
Like if them greedy Chistian pastors would stop begging and badgering the people to "give till it hurts", so they can have the biggest, baddest building and bank account, and start trusting God to fund any projects, like they tell the people to do, there might be enough $ to actually help others.

 

[know1]

In Matthew 10:1, we read that Jesus gave His 12 disciples power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. This would include Judas Iscariot, yet Jesus referred to Judas Iscariot as an unbelieving, unclean devil who would betray Him! (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11). Apparently, Judas believed that Jesus' name has the power to cast out demons but did not truly believe in His name (John 1:12) and become a child of God, but instead was the son of perdition (John 17:12).

One cannot cast out demonic spirit or heal the sick without first believing on the Lord Jesus and in his name, the very things scripture say You must do to be born again.
Andrew what did he call Peter when he was trying to prevent Jesus from going to the cross? Did He call Peter, Satan?
And didn't Jesus also say that a spirit of infirmity was Satan also?
The fact is, Judas Iscariot believed just like everybody else that believed in Jesus.
The reason why Jesus called him those things was because of the dominant spirit that was in him at the time, even as he did with Peter.
As it was back then, so it is with the Christian of today as well. Those who we sometimes refer to as, True Believers, can be taken over, coerced, or duped into doing things that are bad or simple, like the devil did with Peter, denying Jesus three times.
Just because somebody fails, even loses their salvation, doesn't mean they never were a Christian or a True Believer, they just let the devil get the better of them.

 

[mailmandan]

One cannot cast out demonic spirit or heal the sick without first believing on the Lord Jesus and in his name, the very things scripture say You must do to be born again.
Andrew what did he call Peter when he was trying to prevent Jesus from going to the cross? Did He call Peter, Satan?
And didn't Jesus also say that a spirit of infirmity was Satan also?
The fact is, Judas Iscariot believed just like everybody else that believed in Jesus.
The reason why Jesus called him those things was because of the dominant spirit that was in him at the time, even as he did with Peter.
As it was back then, so it is with the Christian of today as well. Those who we sometimes refer to as, True Believers, can be taken over, coerced, or duped into doing things that are bad or simple, like the devil did with Peter, denying Jesus three times.
Just because somebody fails, even loses their salvation, doesn't mean they never were a Christian or a True Believer, they just let the devil get the better of them.

Talk about mixed up. Show me evidence from the Bible that Judas Iscariot was a genuine believer. Judas may have believed that Jesus' name has the power to cast out demons but did not truly believe in His name (John 1:12) and become a child of God, but instead was the son of perdition (John 17:12). What part of unbelieving, unclean devil who would betray Jesus (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11) equates to "believing on the Lord Jesus and in His name?"

 

[PennEd]

One cannot cast out demonic spirit or heal the sick without first believing on the Lord Jesus and in his name, the very things scripture say You must do to be born again.
Andrew what did he call Peter when he was trying to prevent Jesus from going to the cross? Did He call Peter, Satan?
And didn't Jesus also say that a spirit of infirmity was Satan also?
The fact is, Judas Iscariot believed just like everybody else that believed in Jesus.
The reason why Jesus called him those things was because of the dominant spirit that was in him at the time, even as he did with Peter.
As it was back then, so it is with the Christian of today as well. Those who we sometimes refer to as, True Believers, can be taken over, coerced, or duped into doing things that are bad or simple, like the devil did with Peter, denying Jesus three times.
Just because somebody fails, even loses their salvation, doesn't mean they never were a Christian or a True Believer, they just let the devil get the better of them.

I guess the guys that Jesus said He NEVER knew, NOT THAT HE KNEW AT ONE TIME, that casts out demons in His Name were also saved at one time too.

 

[notuptome]

Judas is a perfect example that displays following Christ does NOT make you a Christian.

Judas followed Jesus for 3 yrs. Saw incredible miracles. Likely performed miracles himself, along with the other Apostles.
BUT JUDAS WAS NEVER A BELIEVER. He never believed Jesus was the Son of God. He never addressed Jesus as Lord. Even at the end he didn't say he betrayed God or God's Son. He said he'd betrayed innocent blood.

Vastly different than Peter who denied the Lord likely usingprofanity. Peter HAD declared who Jesus is.

Satan did not just become lost. He seeks/sought to usurp God's throne. He is also not human. Jesus did not become and die for the fallen Angels. They are ineligible for Salvation.

Boy Judas gives us a perfect example of what Paul is writing about in Romans 1. Judas knew who Jesus was but Judas wanted a conquering king not a suffering King. In the face of all the miracles Jesus performed still Judas did not accept the Messiah that God chose to send.

Today is no different. Men read the bible and understand what it says but they do not like what it says so they go about to change it into something they prefer.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I guess the guys that Jesus said He NEVER knew, NOT THAT HE KNEW AT ONE TIME, that casts out demons in His Name were also saved at one time too.

Sounds like someone is choosing not to believe Jesus' word "NEVER"



[I'm not referring to you, PennEd, just to be clear to you and to the readers... some of whom may not read too clearly, or perhaps be inclined to take my words out of their context ]

 

[GRASSESANDDRAGONFLIES]

No problem, I'll give you over 100 thank you

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Sacrificial-Giving

https://www.openbible.info/topics/sacrificial_giving

Thank you as well.
None of those verses at the links you have shared here say what you insist is true.
That if we do not give a sacrificial offering of money to our respective churches that we each attend God will throw us into Hell.
And really how could such verses exist what with all the verses that relegate money to something to be held less dearly than is service , sacrificial offerings, of one's self to God.


“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. " Matthew 6:19-21

In matters of a church and you thinking it is requisite Christians attend:
1 Corinthians 3:16 "Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?"

 

[dcontroversal]

There are just too many scriptures speaking about the importance of giving sacrificially in the Bible. My Church teaches that it's vital part of being a Christian and those who don't obey the Bible are not true believers.

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Sacrificial-Giving

https://www.openbible.info/topics/sacrificial_giving

My bible teaches saved faith is saved and no where does it tie how much you give or don't give to embellishing and or losing salvation....Like I said...whoever taught you that crap i would avoid!

 

[dcontroversal]

Satan never was, nor will ever be a "bearer of light"
There is only Satan the reference the light bearer in the old testament was to
Nebuchadnezzar.

If Judas was lost he was always lost.

I will say it....Judas was lost and never saved and then lost it..........a devil from the beginning, the SON of perdition, the thief holding the bag....Jesus was clear...Have not I chosen you (the 12) and ONE of you IS a devil.....<---IS is a "be verb" end of story!