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JesusLives

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Blik said:
I have lots of reasons to be depressed and suicidal. I'm 96, my family all dumped me, I'm in bed with a MRSA infection. But I don't feel at ALL like suicide, and that is because of what the Lord tells me.

Paul tells us that in whatever state we are in we are to be content. We are told to count our blessings We are told that God is love and we need to put on the spirit of God. A part of love is to accept. These are points I believe in, But that isn't enough. We have a subconscious mind that simply records everything and has much to do with our thoughts and actions.

In the Lord's Prayer we are told to ask for our daily bread, and of course that is bread on many levels. One level is the idea food we give our minds. That dirty book you read, that thought against your neighbor is all simply recorded and influences our thoughts and actions. The subconscious mind just accepts what it hears. So I am very careful of what I put in my mind I feed it good thoughts.
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Congrats on making it to 96. I hope I will be as lucky to make it to 96 and I hope the same for my Tourist cause that would mean we would still have quite a few years to be married. Hope the Lord comes before then in reality. But prayers for you and I love it when I hear people are in their 90's. I have an ex-father-in-law who is going to be 93 this year and he is such a sweet soul. God bless you both.
 
JaumeJ

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MatthewUK said:
What is the religious consensus on suicide, is it viewed as a sin? I have heard it is many times, but I always struggle to understand why it would be.
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Please, if you are in doubt, THINK.

There is but one sin unforgiveable, and in one place that puts a person in danger of damnation.

God will in no wise turn away a broken heart nor a contrite heart.

Judge not (to condemnation that is) lest you be judged.

The law (according to Jesus) is to be administered with mercy, justice and faith.

Who are any of us to judge the creatures God has deemed to crete?

Now, those who question any of the above are yet blind by the veil of Moses and under the law.

We do not sin but if we do, we have a constant Mediator, Jesus christ. Yes we are saved by grace and mercy but the law is still around, or would you say sin is no longer with us? Be real in your faith......especially in spreading mercy and love.
 
JaumeJ

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Jackson123 said:
Do not kill

Include yourself
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If one exacs merciless judgment in the law, he will never receive mercy...it is written so.

To make that declaraqtion (yours) is putting yourself in the throne to judge..

This is not to be. Reread my post, no, read it please, thank you and do not judge while sin is yet present.
 
Magenta

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Jesus identified only one unforgivable sin, and it was not suicide.
 
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JaumeJ said:
If one exacs merciless judgment in the law, he will never receive mercy...it is written so.

To make that declaraqtion (yours) is putting yourself in the throne to judge..

This is not to be. Reread my post, no, read it please, thank you and do not judge while sin is yet present.
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So you believe It is ok to kill? When you kill you ask forgiven, He Will forgive, when you kill yourself, you ask forgiven after you die did He forgive after we die?

If so, No body go to hell, we ask forgiven after we die.
 
JaumeJ

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Jackson123 said:
So you believe It is ok to kill? When you kill you ask forgiven, He Will forgive, when you kill yourself, you ask forgiven after you die did He forgive after we die?

If so, No body go to hell, we ask forgiven after we die.
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Your understanding lacks mercy. If you want mercy you will extend it to others, otherwise you have made yourself a judge above the Almighty..

I like to believe you do not want this on your conscience.
 
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JaumeJ said:
Your understanding lacks mercy. If you want mercy you will extend it to others, otherwise you have made yourself a judge above the Almighty..

I like to believe you do not want this on your conscience.
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So you believe, after you die you can ask forgiveness?

Say when you live, you do not believe in Jesus, after you die you say Sorry, can you save?
 
JaumeJ

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Jackson123 said:
So you believe, after you die you can ask forgiveness?

Say when you live, you do not believe in Jesus, after you die you say Sorry, can you save?
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This response, if it is intended to me, is a response to your own invention. Please try to understaqnd the posts before replying to them…….it helps for clarity all around.
 
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JaumeJ said:
This response, if it is intended to me, is a response to your own invention. Please try to understaqnd the posts before replying to them…….it helps for clarity all around.
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I do not understand what you say.

The Bottom line is you do believe suicide is ok don't you?
 
JaumeJ

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JaumeJ said:
Your understanding lacks mercy. If you want mercy you will extend it to others, otherwise you have made yourself a judge above the Almighty..

I like to believe you do not want this on your conscience.
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Perhaps you are able to explain in detail just how your previous reply to my post pasted here applies. I cannot connect it…………...it is a nonsequeter.
 
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MessageOfTheCross said:
“24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive (pertains to being drawn aside into endless discussions which serve no purpose, and can only conclude in “strife!”); but be gentle unto all men (Fruit of the Spirit [Gal. 5:22]), apt to teach (teach correct Doctrine), patient (show patience to those who do not easily and quickly understand that which is being taught),

25 In meekness instructing those who oppose themselves (refers to those who place themselves in opposition to the true servant of the Lord and to True Doctrine); if God peradventure will give them Repentance to the acknowledging of the Truth (hoping those in error will repent and come to the Truth, and we might quickly say, “The Truth of the Cross”);”

“26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the Devil (if one is placing his Faith and Hope in anything other than Christ and the Cross, he has been “snared by the Devil,” which is serious indeed!), who are taken captive by him at his will. (Unless the Believer makes the Cross the Object of his Faith, which then gives him the help of the Holy Spirit, he is helpless against Satan, who will make him his captive, i.e., “in bondage to sin” [Gal. 5:1].)” 2 Tim. 2:24-26

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Are you saying that Jimmy Swaggart has suicidal thoughts? From the way he has conducted his life that doesn't surprise me.
 
dcontroversal

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MatthewUK said:
What is the religious consensus on suicide, is it viewed as a sin? I have heard it is many times, but I always struggle to understand why it would be.
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Knowing God's HOLY nature and character, would God honor a request that would lead to sin? The answer is NO......

Samson while chained to pillars, blind and fixing to be sacrificed to the false god"s" of the Philistines prayed and asked God for his strength back that he might....

a. KILL himself
b. AVENGE himself

God honored his request and in the process KILLED 7000 Philistine Lords when he brought the whole temple don upon himself and the Philistine Lords.....

He is not the only one....SAUL fell upon his own sword to KEEP the Philistines from making sport with him after he was severely wounded in battle....

Motivation, circumstance etc. all seems to come into play in determining if it is, or is not a sin indeed.

Like for example.....a soldier that commits suicide by jumping on a grenade to save 5 of his buddies....sin or not....
 
David7183

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MatthewUK said:
What is the religious consensus on suicide, is it viewed as a sin? I have heard it is many times, but I always struggle to understand why it would be.
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There was a woman with a testimony about this subject at the church I attend. She explained her son was a drug addict. Battling depression. For most of his teen years. He committed suicide. She was struggling with the loss and kept praying to God about why it happened and wondered about his salvation. Well one day she said she was praying and send me a vision came to her that showed her the events of what happened that day. In her vision she said she was with an Angel she believes And they were in his room in his final moments. Apparently he was high off drugs And he was standing there crying and shaking and he walked into his closet and sat down. he grabbed a gun And put it towards his head And stay there for a while and kept crying while saying please God please. and he closed the door to the closet. She wanted to go inside but Angel wouldn’t let her and then she heard the gunshot. Set of me they were in the clouds and she saw her son With another Angel walking towards the gates of heaven. She said her son looked real happy And he turned to the Angel and said I have to let my mom know I’m OK and the angel told him not to worry that she already knows and just like that she came out the vision. I always thought killing yourself was automatically a death sentence to hell. I guess that’s up to God.
 
Blik

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memyselfi said:
I love this because I truly believe, from Scripture, we can never be possessed, we are sealed, but we can be oppressed, and depending on where we are at in our walk with the Lord (though it does not determine our Salvation) it can effect our actions even unto committing suicide.
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From reading accounts of people who work with demon possession they say demons possess those who have sinful thoughts or practices. Christians who don't keep their mind clean are just as vulnerable as non Christians.
 
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David7183 said:
There was a woman with a testimony about this subject at the church I attend. She explained her son was a drug addict. Battling depression. For most of his teen years. He committed suicide. She was struggling with the loss and kept praying to God about why it happened and wondered about his salvation. Well one day she said she was praying and send me a vision came to her that showed her the events of what happened that day. In her vision she said she was with an Angel she believes And they were in his room in his final moments. Apparently he was high off drugs And he was standing there crying and shaking and he walked into his closet and sat down. he grabbed a gun And put it towards his head And stay there for a while and kept crying while saying please God please. and he closed the door to the closet. She wanted to go inside but Angel wouldn’t let her and then she heard the gunshot. Set of me they were in the clouds and she saw her son With another Angel walking towards the gates of heaven. She said her son looked real happy And he turned to the Angel and said I have to let my mom know I’m OK and the angel told him not to worry that she already knows and just like that she came out the vision. I always thought killing yourself was automatically a death sentence to hell. I guess that’s up to God.
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To me. It is danger trust to a vision other than bible.
 
MessageOfTheCross

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memyselfi said:
I love this because I truly believe, from Scripture, we can never be possessed, we are sealed, but we can be oppressed, and depending on where we are at in our walk with the Lord (though it does not determine our Salvation) it can effect our actions even unto committing suicide.
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Oppression is real. It means control. Most Christians are being controlled by demonic kings. Why? Because their Faith is not exclusively and maintained in Christ and the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won (i.e., The Blood of Jesus - The Finished Work).
 
MessageOfTheCross

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“The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me…to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound.” —Isaiah 61:14

Most people do not think they are at war with Satan, but Satan is at war with everyone, especially Christians.

In Genesis 3:15, God says there will be enmity (war or hatred) between Satan and the woman, and between Satan’s followers and Christ, which includes believers, since they are in Christ. Satan also comes trying to steal, kill, and destroy from everyone (Jn. 10:10). As a result, most people are defeated and are his prisoners of war since they do not know how to have victory over sin and Satan.

The following are examples of the numbers per year in the United States of those who are defeated and are Satan’s prisoners of war in the following categories:
• 38 million who are in bondage to alcohol
• 22 million drug addicts.
• 1.3 million who attempt suicide, and 40,000 who take their own lives
• 28,000 viewers of Internet porn every second
• Those who sexually abuse one out of three girls and one out of five boys before they reach the age of 18
• Those who sexually, physically, or verbally abuse or neglect 1 million children annually
• Those who cause 4.7 million women to be victims of domestic violence annually
• 3 million addicted to gambling
• 33.8 million adults who smoke or chew tobacco and 440,000 who die annually as a result.
• 17 percent of children and 37 percent of adults who are obese

These are some pretty obvious examples, and some of them are Christians who are struggling to overcome sin. But there are many who are struggling and losing to less obvious sins such as fear, anger, depression, unforgiveness, and selfishness. When the Assyrians would capture prisoners of war, they would put a ring or hook through the lower lips of the defeated soldiers so they could lead them around. The Babylonians put a ring or hook through the noses of prisoners of war. After prisoners of war were shown off in the triumph of a victorious Roman general (see last month’s article), half of them were killed and the other half became slaves. All of this is similar to how Satan uses and abuses his prisoners of war.

The reason Christians have become prisoners of the war with Satan is because they are fighting the wrong war, and they are trying to fight Satan and sin the wrong way. Christians are not to fight against sin because the power of sin is greater than their greatest strength. God told Paul that the power of Christ could only help him when he realized how weak he himself was, and that he had to totally depend on Christ so God’s power could work in and through him (II Cor. 12:9).

In realizing their helplessness and understanding that they do not have to turn to hopelessness, Christians can say yes to the hope that is only available in Christ. Besides that, the power of sin was already broken on the Cross, so believers do not have to keep fighting that battle.

Therefore, their weapons are not carnal (II Cor. 10:4), or something they can produce themselves and use to accomplish their victory. Their battle is not against acts of sin, but the fight is to keep their faith in who Christ is and what He did on the Cross, so they stay in His death, burial, and resurrection and are, therefore, victorious. That is the only way they are triumphant in Christ (II Cor. 2:14). And that is the only way He can work in them both to will (change their desires), and to do (give them the power of the Holy Spirit) (Phil. 2:13), so they can overcome sin. This is the only way believers can yield themselves as God’s servants (slaves) of obedience instead of being slaves to sin unto death (Rom. 6:16).

A believer can know he is a prisoner of war if he is repeatedly committing sins, such as works of the flesh (Gal. 5:19-21), or he is missing some of the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23).

Pastor Dave Smith - JSM
 
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Sorry to hear that testimony Bilk, and glad that your faith in God is so strong........I will be praying for you
 
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