OSAS= House Built on Sand

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[QUOTE="Slayer, post: 3709008, member: 272907"........Every single one of us Saints was guaranteed to be saved before the world was made, we never do anything to effect our salvation.
This is not biblical. Each of us are responsible to..."maintain"...righteousness ...until the end......physical death. We are helped by the HS .....and the reason for us to..."put on the coat of armor daily".

We do all things as a result of our salvation, we do good works because we have good dwelling in us. You do wicked things if you have wickedness dwelling in you, you act out what is in you and that's how we know who is who.

You guys like to twist things around to mean the opposite of the truth, that's exactly what Satan always does. This leads me to believe the many of you have fallen victim to the doctrines of Demons, I pray for you people all the time.[/QUOTE]

Your comments here could easily be miss-construed by the newbie or ill informed.
 
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Hevosmies said:
Is that not exactly what you believe? He creates reprobates to show His righteous judgment and gets glory for that as well? And do you not also believe people are created for hell? I cant see the misrepresentation here.


I am not an arminian. I laid out in another post exactly what I believe in: https://christianchat.com/threads/why-so-much-confusion-about-salvation.177511/post-3708295
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No one can blame G-d for anything goes as to their spirituality in the coming times. G-d gives us all the ammunition to stave off claimers of our eternity with salvation...it is ours to apply them in our lives for that end.
 
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What this generation fails to understand, is that interpretations belong to God, NOT TO MEN. Any person who goes about to interpret the Word of God (as if they even had the authority to do so) are not being patient for God to reveal to them whatsoever God will reveal to them. They seek understanding of the Word via their own intellect, their own studies, their own knowledge. Of course they will be deceived, because they seek the TRUTH some other way then through the HOLY Ghost who will reveal all Truths to them. But as long as a person tries to interpret the Word of God via their own self, the hands of the Holy Ghost are tied from revealing anything to them.

God will reveal to whom God will reveal. But woe to that person who goes about to interpret the Word of God themselves, and worse yet teach others what they THINK is the TRUTH, based on their own interpretations of the Word. Woe unto them indeed, for many false doctrines are born because of mens own interpretation of the Word, a thing that they should not do in the first place.

Men even misinterpret the very verse that says and teaches we should not interpret the Word of God via our own private interpretations. For more information on this, with Biblical references click HERE.

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Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9



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oh boy this thread looks like fun
 
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How can we lose our salvation if the atonement was perfect?
 
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justpassinthrough said:
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9



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another way of saying this is "he who does not have God transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ. He who has both the Father and the Son abides in the doctrine of Christ"
 
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DiscipleDave said:
What this generation fails to understand, is that interpretations belong to God, NOT TO MEN. Any person who goes about to interpret the Word of God (as if they even had the authority to do so) are not being patient for God to reveal to them whatsoever God will reveal to them. They seek understanding of the Word via their own intellect, their own studies, their own knowledge. Of course they will be deceived, because they seek the TRUTH some other way then through the HOLY Ghost who will reveal all Truths to them. But as long as a person tries to interpret the Word of God via their own self, the hands of the Holy Ghost are tied from revealing anything to them.

God will reveal to whom God will reveal. But woe to that person who goes about to interpret the Word of God themselves, and worse yet teach others what they THINK is the TRUTH, based on their own interpretations of the Word. Woe unto them indeed, for many false doctrines are born because of mens own interpretation of the Word, a thing that they should not do in the first place.

Men even misinterpret the very verse that says and teaches we should not interpret the Word of God via our own private interpretations. For more information on this, with Biblical references click HERE.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

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D...,

I would be hopeful that interpreters here...as anywhere....only respond when they are led to conclude that...that conclusion is what G-d leads them to believe.

But, at times I wonder ...especially when I see plain biblical language refuting some of the conclusions....if that is the guide used....and common sense tells me that the position is just not biblical. OSAS is one that comes to mind.
 
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D...,

I would be hopeful that interpreters here...as anywhere....only respond when they are led to conclude that...that conclusion is what G-d leads them to believe.

But, at times I wonder ...especially when I see plain biblical language refuting some of the conclusions....if that is the guide used....and common sense tells me that the position is just not biblical. OSAS is one that comes to mind.
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Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24
 
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Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24
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That reference does not support ...OSAS. If that was your effort.
 
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preston39 said:
That reference does not support ...OSAS. If that was your effort.
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John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

That reference did support OSAS and this one proves it.
 
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Grandpa said:
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

That reference did support OSAS and this one proves it.
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Not true.

We must keep scriptural teachings in context or one will be miss lead;....
...."sacrifice for forgiveness (Christ death on the cross) is not available where sin is present".
That, alone...proves that OSAS is not scriptural.

Why does the Lord's prayer (daily) say..."forgive us of our trespasses ....sins.... as we forgive those who trespass ..sin...against us"...?

Why is there unlimited number of times we can get forgiveness of our sins...?

Why does scriptures teach against backsliding...?

Why does scripture teach us to ..."put on the coat of armor..daily"...?

Many others available.

Your reference refers to our spiritual state after G-d says that.... ...we are SAVED....upon review after physical death.

Much confusion when we mix physical death with spiritual death.
 
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I am neither Arminian nor Calvinist
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The problem is both views are Biblical. The early elders had many diverse views of the Bible. They created the creeds for 3 reasons.
1. Define what a Christian must believe.
2. Define anything contrary as heresy.
3. Any Biblical issue outside of it as agree to disagree.
 
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selfdissolving said:
another way of saying this is "he who does not have God transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ. He who has both the Father and the Son abides in the doctrine of Christ"
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Christians who remain in obedience to the doctrine of Christ have God.


He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5:12



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Agreed.
We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus. The unsaved can't seem to comprehend grace is a free gift from God. They seem to think they have to earn it.

As to the subject of the thread.
John 10 NIV. No one can snatch them out of My hand
22 Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. 24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
 
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preston39 said:
G...,
Not true.

We must keep scriptural teachings in context or one will be miss lead;....
...."sacrifice for forgiveness (Christ death on the cross) is not available where sin is present".
That, alone...proves that OSAS is not scriptural.
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That doesn't even make any sense, not to mention that its not biblical.

There is no reason for forgiveness where sin is NOT present.

There are many admonitions for the SAVED Christian to walk uprightly in Christ. Those admonitions aren't, and can't be, a revocation of Eternal Life.

There is not ONE scripture that says God takes back His Gift of Salvation once He gives it.
 
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Grandpa said:
That doesn't even make any sense, not to mention that its not biblical.

There is no reason for forgiveness where sin is NOT present.

There are many admonitions for the SAVED Christian to walk uprightly in Christ. Those admonitions aren't, and can't be, a revocation of Eternal Life.

There is not ONE scripture that says God takes back His Gift of Salvation once He gives it.
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You are correct...in the proper context; ....Once G-d declares we are saved from eternal damnation ...we are saved forever. But, that does not occur until we are physically dead and judged. While we are here on this earth we are...born again....and living a righteous life.
If you disagree with The Bible please take it up with G-d. I am only a messinger.
 
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Endoscopy said:
27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
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So true. Great scripture.


His sheep who hear and obey His voice, are those who follow Him, and no one can snatch them out of His hand.


Sheep who hear His voice but don’t obey, end up becoming lost.



Lost sheep are no longer reconciled to Him.




JLB
 
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