What makes a raciest?
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You will never reason with the irrational that is self-deluded thinking separatism is rational.
When someone tells you what they are in public, believe them.
When someone tells you what they are in public, believe them.
It is the mindset of the yankee compromise. The South experienced this years before the War between the States. The yankee reaches out and grabs a certain amount of what belongs to the South. The South protests. The yankee says ok, I won't take that much, just this much. The South still gets nothing and the yankee gets to steal, just not as much as he wanted. That is a yankee compromise.
Quantrill
I find everything about racism offensive. Racist, narrow minded attitudes, filled with ugly supremacy and hate is so inexcusable, in every direction. No race is immune to the filth it brings. To me, it is sad and a disappointing commentary on humanity. Also, I am cognizant and weary, so tired, of the notion of assuming racism upon the masses; hyper use of the race card is frustrating and makes growth beyond it more challenging. I cetainly understand, though, that in those scenarios, they both perpetuate the problem of the other. I don't have any idea how we will ever stop the nonsense, grow and rise to what He died to help us with. The horrid truths and consequences that ignite and maintain the disgusting mindsets centered around racism shows just how much we ALL need Yeshua.
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Here you go laughing lady.
(Three Year with Quantrill, Universtiy of Oklahoma Press) "In September [August], 1863, Captain Bill Anderson and his company joined us. At this time, the outrages committed by the Federal troops, which consisted mostly of Home Guards and Kansas Redlegs and Jayhawkers, beggars description. At this late day, it seems impossible that human beings could have been guilty of such merciless outrages as these men committed. Among the leaders of these bands were Jenninson, Jim Lane and a Captain Mead and I will only attempt to give a few of their acts as an illustration of their brutality and to further impress upon the minds of my readers why we acted as we did....a neighbor, who had known these two girls and reported to the authorities that these two women were rebels and were buying flour to feed the bushwhackers. They were immediately arrested and placed in jail with some other girsl, who had been arrested and sentenced to be banished and here I copy the following descriptin of what occurred as give by Mrs. Flora Stevens , as she stood at the grave of Josephine Anderson and published in the Kansas City Post, under date of May 2, 1912.
"There were nine of these girls in the prison at 1409 Grand Avenue, when it fell. One of these was Josepohine Anderson. Her two sisters, Mollie, aged sixteen, and Janie, ten years old were also prisoners with her, and it was these three especially that the Union soldiers wanted to kill because they were sisters of Bill Anderson, the guerilla....
"When the soldiers heard that Bill Anderson's sisters were in their power, they determined to kill them. The first inkling of the plot was when Mrs. B.F. Duke, who now lives at 1717 Wabash avenue, but who then had a boarding house at Independence Avenue and Oak Street, heard some of the soldiers...speak of the progress they were making in tearing down a wall. Mrs Duke was a cousin of Bill Anderson, but the soldiers did not know it and told her of their scheme, and how they had removed a large section of the foundation wall of the woman's prison....The building did not fall the first day, some more of the wall was removed and it was at this time that Mrs. Duke learned of it.
"She was beside herself with rage and ordered all the soldiers from the house. With a number of friends she hurried to the military headquarters and begged that the girls be taken from the building before they were killed. Their pleadings were in vain and an hour later the building fell."
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(Three Year with Quantrill, Universtiy of Oklahoma Press) "In September [August], 1863, Captain Bill Anderson and his company joined us. At this time, the outrages committed by the Federal troops, which consisted mostly of Home Guards and Kansas Redlegs and Jayhawkers, beggars description. At this late day, it seems impossible that human beings could have been guilty of such merciless outrages as these men committed. Among the leaders of these bands were Jenninson, Jim Lane and a Captain Mead and I will only attempt to give a few of their acts as an illustration of their brutality and to further impress upon the minds of my readers why we acted as we did....a neighbor, who had known these two girls and reported to the authorities that these two women were rebels and were buying flour to feed the bushwhackers. They were immediately arrested and placed in jail with some other girsl, who had been arrested and sentenced to be banished and here I copy the following descriptin of what occurred as give by Mrs. Flora Stevens , as she stood at the grave of Josephine Anderson and published in the Kansas City Post, under date of May 2, 1912.
"There were nine of these girls in the prison at 1409 Grand Avenue, when it fell. One of these was Josepohine Anderson. Her two sisters, Mollie, aged sixteen, and Janie, ten years old were also prisoners with her, and it was these three especially that the Union soldiers wanted to kill because they were sisters of Bill Anderson, the guerilla....
"When the soldiers heard that Bill Anderson's sisters were in their power, they determined to kill them. The first inkling of the plot was when Mrs. B.F. Duke, who now lives at 1717 Wabash avenue, but who then had a boarding house at Independence Avenue and Oak Street, heard some of the soldiers...speak of the progress they were making in tearing down a wall. Mrs Duke was a cousin of Bill Anderson, but the soldiers did not know it and told her of their scheme, and how they had removed a large section of the foundation wall of the woman's prison....The building did not fall the first day, some more of the wall was removed and it was at this time that Mrs. Duke learned of it.
"She was beside herself with rage and ordered all the soldiers from the house. With a number of friends she hurried to the military headquarters and begged that the girls be taken from the building before they were killed. Their pleadings were in vain and an hour later the building fell."
(continued in next post)
Quantrill
(continued from post #85) More for the laughing lady..because it is so funny.
"The plastering had been falling all day and the girls were in a panic. Nan Harris and Mollie Anderson had just gone out into the hall for a bucket of water, when they heard cries from the other girls that the roof was falling. The guard, evidently repenting at the last moment, carried these two girls to safety. Janie Anderson, who was the youngest, tried to escape through a window, but a twelve pound ball that had been chained to her ankle held her back and both her legs were broken. The other girls went down with the ruins. There were groans and screams for a long time, and Josephine Anderson could be heard calling for some one to take the bricks off her head. Finally her cries ceased.
"This foul murder was the direct cause of the famous raid on Lawrence, Kansas. We could stand no more. Imagine, if you can, my feelings. A loved sister foully murdered and the widow of a dead brother seriously hurt by a set of men whom the name assassins, murderers and cutthroats would be a compliment. People abuse us, but my God, did we not have enough to make us desperate and thirst for revenge?.....
"We were determined to have revenge, and so, Colonel Quantrill and Captain Anderson planned a raid on Lawrence, Kansas, the home of the leaders, Jim Lane and Jennison." (p. 120-123)
So go ahead and laugh lady. Pretend it didn't happen. And wonder why we refuse to forget.
Quantrill
"The plastering had been falling all day and the girls were in a panic. Nan Harris and Mollie Anderson had just gone out into the hall for a bucket of water, when they heard cries from the other girls that the roof was falling. The guard, evidently repenting at the last moment, carried these two girls to safety. Janie Anderson, who was the youngest, tried to escape through a window, but a twelve pound ball that had been chained to her ankle held her back and both her legs were broken. The other girls went down with the ruins. There were groans and screams for a long time, and Josephine Anderson could be heard calling for some one to take the bricks off her head. Finally her cries ceased.
"This foul murder was the direct cause of the famous raid on Lawrence, Kansas. We could stand no more. Imagine, if you can, my feelings. A loved sister foully murdered and the widow of a dead brother seriously hurt by a set of men whom the name assassins, murderers and cutthroats would be a compliment. People abuse us, but my God, did we not have enough to make us desperate and thirst for revenge?.....
"We were determined to have revenge, and so, Colonel Quantrill and Captain Anderson planned a raid on Lawrence, Kansas, the home of the leaders, Jim Lane and Jennison." (p. 120-123)
So go ahead and laugh lady. Pretend it didn't happen. And wonder why we refuse to forget.
Quantrill
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People not from the South repeatedly keep on saying that we have to stop talking about the war, but I think a war causes so much pain, that the people on the losing end, never really can forget.
Whenever I’m reading Quantrill’s posts, I can recognize what he’s writing from the stories I have heard from people over the years.
Not exactly the same stories, but the pattern and the anger is the same. It’s the anger from the feeling of being decimated in the country, the mockery of the South and the feeling that society is stuck with the Northerners victorious narrative.
Then there’s the ridiculing whenever somebody says they feel oppressed by the society. Instantly a gang of people without any knowledge of Southern history, starts yelling about what some slaveowner did in the 1850s.
Problem is, you can’t say a positive thing about the South, the minute you do, there’s a prerecorded choir yelling anti Southern slogans at you. It’s been effective. Most Southern folks are feeling ashamed of themselves at times, just for being Southern.
Whenever I’m reading Quantrill’s posts, I can recognize what he’s writing from the stories I have heard from people over the years.
Not exactly the same stories, but the pattern and the anger is the same. It’s the anger from the feeling of being decimated in the country, the mockery of the South and the feeling that society is stuck with the Northerners victorious narrative.
Then there’s the ridiculing whenever somebody says they feel oppressed by the society. Instantly a gang of people without any knowledge of Southern history, starts yelling about what some slaveowner did in the 1850s.
Problem is, you can’t say a positive thing about the South, the minute you do, there’s a prerecorded choir yelling anti Southern slogans at you. It’s been effective. Most Southern folks are feeling ashamed of themselves at times, just for being Southern.
A history of others? Silly statement.
It is good to know your history. The Reconstruction continues daily. Changing the names of our streets, schools etc. etc. Taking down our monuments. Why? Because some black man from the NAACP cries how he is offended. And the yankee and liberals who have moved in our area join in. It happens all across the South.
Quantrill
It is good to know your history. The Reconstruction continues daily. Changing the names of our streets, schools etc. etc. Taking down our monuments. Why? Because some black man from the NAACP cries how he is offended. And the yankee and liberals who have moved in our area join in. It happens all across the South.
Quantrill
You are correct. But I quit feeling ashamed a long time ago. You can try and be understanding, and explain your history to those who constantly want to identify your an yours as evil people, but it does no good. They could care less. The NAACP needs to keep the South alive as a bunch of evil people, because it justifies their existence. The yankee government likes to jump when a black cries foul in the South. It gives them reason to take down our flags and history. And make no mistake, the yankee government hates our history.
Quantrill
Quantrill
Living a carnal life is one thing. I submit that we Christians need to be concentrating on our hearts and not on every single thing we may think or say. There are many things we could do which one could accuse us of living a carnal life but God looks at our hearts and knows that we are but "dust."
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Generational victim playing isn't healthy. Quantrill's ridiculous and that's all I'll say about that. What should concern Christians is that Quantrill claimed the Kansas massacre, where over 150 men were slaughtered and the town burned to the ground, had occurred for a reason. Quantrill was a southerner. His side lost. He was killed by Unionists. For a reason.
Well heck, Chucky Manson said the massacre of innocent victims to his cult in California occurred for a reason. And what's that mean? It's OK? Pardonable? Hardly.
The Civil War was about more than just slavery. But the facts of history never stops those invested in playing the victim through history from acting the part. That's why the Confederate Battle Flag drama that lasted less than a year in this country and yet impacted real history and the record thereof, is an example of what happens to real history when blind ignorance gains ground.
If people thought the CBF was an icon of slavery they proved they didn't know anything about history.
Same for those who play the victim in matters of slavery today. Forget the real history that tells us the only reason tribal people in Africa were shipped to European lands to become slaves is because they were POW's of tribal wars back in their homeland. Where they would have been executed as such had they not instead brought a valuable option to their captors there.
Real history tells us free blacks in the north owned slaves! Blacks owned black slaves!
Real history tells us that unless someone is over 200 years old today they had not one iota of linkage to slavery in the USA. When it was abolished with the passage of the 13th Amendment in 1865. And the Peonage law ended in under Roosevelt in 1867.
This doesn't stop people from insisting they're still slaves though.
Don't make excuses for someone's bad behavior on a forum. Especially the excuse that hopes to persuade good cause for that as , some people are still hurt due to the outcome of the Civil War. Those people weren't ALIVE during or shortly after the Civil War.
If we think retroactively claiming hurt due to a past history one wasn't alive for is an excuse to pardon bad behavior, given the history of the world's people, we're really setting ourselves up for a fall.
Well heck, Chucky Manson said the massacre of innocent victims to his cult in California occurred for a reason. And what's that mean? It's OK? Pardonable? Hardly.
The Civil War was about more than just slavery. But the facts of history never stops those invested in playing the victim through history from acting the part. That's why the Confederate Battle Flag drama that lasted less than a year in this country and yet impacted real history and the record thereof, is an example of what happens to real history when blind ignorance gains ground.
If people thought the CBF was an icon of slavery they proved they didn't know anything about history.
Same for those who play the victim in matters of slavery today. Forget the real history that tells us the only reason tribal people in Africa were shipped to European lands to become slaves is because they were POW's of tribal wars back in their homeland. Where they would have been executed as such had they not instead brought a valuable option to their captors there.
Real history tells us free blacks in the north owned slaves! Blacks owned black slaves!
Real history tells us that unless someone is over 200 years old today they had not one iota of linkage to slavery in the USA. When it was abolished with the passage of the 13th Amendment in 1865. And the Peonage law ended in under Roosevelt in 1867.
This doesn't stop people from insisting they're still slaves though.
Don't make excuses for someone's bad behavior on a forum. Especially the excuse that hopes to persuade good cause for that as , some people are still hurt due to the outcome of the Civil War. Those people weren't ALIVE during or shortly after the Civil War.
If we think retroactively claiming hurt due to a past history one wasn't alive for is an excuse to pardon bad behavior, given the history of the world's people, we're really setting ourselves up for a fall.
The point, laughing lady, was, as has been explained, Quantrill and his men didn't attack Lawrence just because it was there. And that is how you presented your one sided history. I doubt you ever knew of what went on before, and I doubt you cared. All you knew is that Quantrill was a murderer and outlaw etc, etc. Now once there is explanation given, you mock it as though it means nothing, as everything has a reason. Shows your depth of history knowledge.
Because of these events that happened to the girls in the yankee prison, Bill Anderson about went insane. He then became known as 'bloody Bill Anderson' as he would have no mercy on any yankee soldier or sympathizer. Cause and affect. Here is some more information for you from the books I mentioned. I will be brief. Quantrill always paroled the yankee prisoners he caught. It was common practice during the War. Both sides exercised it. Until a yankee order came out that all and any of Quantrill's men who are prisoners and who are caught, will be shot on sight. And then some where. No prisoners taken. Well, guess what. After that Quantrill would no more take prisoners either. He killed all yankees he could. So, who is the murderer? Quantrill or the yankee's that started the policy. Read up on it and see if it isn't so. Or do I need to show your again.
I understand it was war. I'm not the one complaining that Quantrill and many of his men were killed. You are the one whining and complaining about him being a murderer and ignoring the fact that it was a war, and many of Quantrills men had their familes murdered by the yankees. You want to make it sound like you see both sides now. But you don't.
And whose 'bad behavior' are you talking about?
Quantrill
Because of these events that happened to the girls in the yankee prison, Bill Anderson about went insane. He then became known as 'bloody Bill Anderson' as he would have no mercy on any yankee soldier or sympathizer. Cause and affect. Here is some more information for you from the books I mentioned. I will be brief. Quantrill always paroled the yankee prisoners he caught. It was common practice during the War. Both sides exercised it. Until a yankee order came out that all and any of Quantrill's men who are prisoners and who are caught, will be shot on sight. And then some where. No prisoners taken. Well, guess what. After that Quantrill would no more take prisoners either. He killed all yankees he could. So, who is the murderer? Quantrill or the yankee's that started the policy. Read up on it and see if it isn't so. Or do I need to show your again.
I understand it was war. I'm not the one complaining that Quantrill and many of his men were killed. You are the one whining and complaining about him being a murderer and ignoring the fact that it was a war, and many of Quantrills men had their familes murdered by the yankees. You want to make it sound like you see both sides now. But you don't.
And whose 'bad behavior' are you talking about?
Quantrill
Abraham Lincoln was a white supremacist. As were most of the yankees. The KKK was not formed as a white supremacist organization. It was formed to combat the wrongs done by the carpet bagging yankees who were coming down from the north to take advantage of a defeated Southern people.
The Federal govt, (yankee), used the black people against the Southern defeated people. The Fed. govt. made the black man the enemy of the Southern people. Promised them many things. Forty acres and a mule. They used the black man, not because they looked at him as equal, but because they wanted to create a political voting majority in the South.
The KKK was formed to fight against the yankee rule of Reconstruction. Have you ever heard of that? Probably not. So because the Fed. govt. did use the black man against us, then yes, we fought against the black man.
Consider this...or better yet...let me ask you, have you ever heard of the 'emancipation proclamation'? You are Canadian but don't feel bad if you haven't because you would be surprised at how many Americans don't know anything about it either. I will add more to this upon your response.
But, the black panthers have nothing in common with the KKK except they both are racist. The KKK was more than racism. Go to any KKK web site that gives what they believe, and tell me the things you agree with and those you don't. Can you be honest in this? The black panthers are against the white people period. The KKK was agaisnt the Fed. govt that was putting them under 12 years of martial law where the Southernor had no rights what so ever. And the Fed. govt. was using the blacks to enforce this upon the Southern white people. Just as they continue to do today with the NAACP.
So, you see how your statement that both the KKK and the black panthers are racist, is an over simplification.
Quantrill
The Federal govt, (yankee), used the black people against the Southern defeated people. The Fed. govt. made the black man the enemy of the Southern people. Promised them many things. Forty acres and a mule. They used the black man, not because they looked at him as equal, but because they wanted to create a political voting majority in the South.
The KKK was formed to fight against the yankee rule of Reconstruction. Have you ever heard of that? Probably not. So because the Fed. govt. did use the black man against us, then yes, we fought against the black man.
Consider this...or better yet...let me ask you, have you ever heard of the 'emancipation proclamation'? You are Canadian but don't feel bad if you haven't because you would be surprised at how many Americans don't know anything about it either. I will add more to this upon your response.
But, the black panthers have nothing in common with the KKK except they both are racist. The KKK was more than racism. Go to any KKK web site that gives what they believe, and tell me the things you agree with and those you don't. Can you be honest in this? The black panthers are against the white people period. The KKK was agaisnt the Fed. govt that was putting them under 12 years of martial law where the Southernor had no rights what so ever. And the Fed. govt. was using the blacks to enforce this upon the Southern white people. Just as they continue to do today with the NAACP.
So, you see how your statement that both the KKK and the black panthers are racist, is an over simplification.
Quantrill
