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Is Universalsim in Opposition to the Bible?
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Hi Lafftur!Hi eternally-grateful,
Yes, I do believe it is possible for Jesus to get lost souls out of hell because Jesus has the keys to hell and death. No one can cross the great gulf or chasm that Father Abraham talked about in Luke 16:20-31, but I do believe Jesus can and does!
Revelation 1:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
I think part of the problem here is that Hell should be translated into different words in various places in Scripture.
Hades is NOT the lake of fire, which is usually what we think of when Hell is mentioned.
The lake of fire is Gehenna, a totally different place than Hades.
No one is in Gehenna yet, because there hasn't been a final judgement where death, Hades, and those who's names aren't in the Book of life are thrown.
In regards to Jesus going to Hades, read post 252 for my thoughts on that.
Hello Adstar,
Correct! Jesus/Yeshua is the ONLY Way to have eternity in God's perfect existence.
I do not agree with universalism because I do not believe ALL will be saved.
The disagreement is over the "time frame" of being able to receive Jesus Christ/Yeshua as Savior and Lord. Most believe times up when we die on the Earth after which is the judgment.
To me, this judgment is whether I go to Paradise or Hell. It is NOT the Great White Throne Judgment wherein all that are not found in the Book of Life go directly into the Lake of Fire. The FINAL JUDGMENT is The Great White Throne after the 1000 year reign of Christ on the Earth.
So, I still think there is a very small chance that out of the pit of Hell a lost unsaved soul can call on the Name of Jesus/Yeshua and be saved.
The reason why I believe this is because when I look at what I know...........
- Jesus Christ is the ONLY WAY to the Father.
- We all need a Savior and Jesus is the Only Savior.
- After death is the judgment, however, it is not the Great White Throne judgement so, perhaps there is still a chance.....
- Jesus has the keys to death and hell so He can lock people in or let them out...
- So, if I died and ended up in hell, the ONLY WAY OUT and to the Father is still Jesus Christ and Him alone.
- Father Abraham cannot cross the great chasm nor anyone, but Jesus can!
Yes, I believe it is possible, BUT ONLY WITH JESUS and they have to call on His Name and receive His Blood for forgiveness of their sins and receive His Righteousness which is His Body - the Bread of Life.
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eternally-gratefull
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Hypergrace states faith in Christ is what saves
Universalism says we will be saved no matter what we believe
I agree, Jesus is God and all things are possible.Hi dc,
Oh goodness, good catch! I read right over the word "ALL". True, I do not believe ALL will be saved, HOWEVER, I do believe Jesus can get lost souls out of Hades.
Great post PennEd! Thank you!
I absolutely believe Yeshua/Jesus Christ/The Lamb of God/The Blood of Jesus is the ONLY Way. It's just the "time frame" that we differ on.
God's mercy trumps His judgment, until He says, "It is FINAL." There is an absolute end to this age and a FINAL JUDGMENT.
God's Mercy NEVER seems fair or just. Yet, it is God's Mercy - while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
In the parable about various times of the day that God looked in the market place for workers in His vineyard and He hired them even up to the last hour and paid them all the same. This does not seem fair or just, however, God's response was......
Matthew 20:11-16 King James Version (KJV)
11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
PennEd, you are a wonderful brother-in-Christ and I respect you very much and thank you for your great post! God bless you!
What then happened when they died prior to the new testament Savior's sacrifice in that regard?
Looking for a church, found a hindu temple... "oh well, lets go in"
Discernment is a superpower these days it seems.
And im unchristian for saying that, and a pharisee as well. Oy vey. A christian in a hindu temple? Now thats ecumenical on another level!
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Upon discovery that this was not a Christian church I was set to turn around and leave. My wife felt the Holy Spirit urging her to go inside. She talked to the Hindu man and gave him some Christian literature about salvation to consider. He started to read it immediately. Who knows what possible result that may have happened because my wife chose to follow the lead of the Holy Spirit?
It is really not effective to pass out basic Christian material about salvation to a spiritually mature Christian church as it is a waste of time and a form of 'preaching to the choir'. Jesus said that those that are well don't need a physician but the sick certainly do so, you go where the sick people are.
I am not sure if your post was critical or praise but I do believe that my wife made a wise decision in going inside the temple at the risk of embarrassment, ridicule and scorn.
Yeah, "oh well, let's go in" and perform the work that our Heavenly Father has prepared for us to accomplish beforehand. That's how we roll 'em. If that upsets others than that's just too bad.
Hi dc,
Good catch! I read right over the word "ALL". True, not all will be saved; HOWEVER, I do believe Jesus can get lost souls out of Hades BEFORE the Great White Throne of Judgment.
What do you think about Jesus being able to do that?
No, I do not believe that once a man dies lost he can be rescued from hell or the lake of fire...his destiny is sealed...............and the premise of one believing after burning in hell is also a farce....Luke 16, which I do not believe is a parable, presents the rich man refusing to believe Abraham concerning the ability of the word to convert his brothers that were still alive on the planet........He said, but if one went to them from the dead, they would BELIEVE and Abraham said, If they WILL not believe the LAW and Prophets which testify of Christ, they WILL NOT believe though one rose from the dead......and the truth is...ONE DID RISE from the dead..........
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD OF GOD!
Thank you for your kind words.Great post PennEd! Thank you!
I absolutely believe Yeshua/Jesus Christ/The Lamb of God/The Blood of Jesus is the ONLY Way. It's just the "time frame" that we differ on.
God's mercy trumps His judgment, until He says, "It is FINAL." There is an absolute end to this age and a FINAL JUDGMENT.
God's Mercy NEVER seems fair or just. Yet, it is God's Mercy - while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
In the parable about various times of the day that God looked in the market place for workers in His vineyard and He hired them even up to the last hour and paid them all the same. This does not seem fair or just, however, God's response was......
Matthew 20:11-16 King James Version (KJV)
11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
PennEd, you are a wonderful brother-in-Christ and I respect you very much and thank you for your great post! God bless you!
I would like to borrow a cup of optimism from my joyfull sister please!
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eternally-gratefull
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Nothing that I can see.
Now Grace churches, and churches that claim to follow hypergrace do have different doctrines outside of the gospel Which they disagree with.
Thanks, that's a good word.
Nice to see someone that follows what I am saying.
I am not saying there is another "way". There isn't.
That's an interesting point. Could you expand on that?Hi dc,
Oh goodness, good catch! I read right over the word "ALL". True, I do not believe ALL will be saved, HOWEVER, I do believe Jesus can get lost souls out of Hades.