Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

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ArmEnia. <----- Hint: This is a link. Click it.

Do you think Jacobus ArmInius is from there? (He's the guy that this false doctrine came from).

I posted links for both Calvinism and Armenianism. Both links defending them have lengthy arguments covering each of the 5 points of Calvinism and Armenianism. They are filled with scripture references. Go there and read about them and then try to refute what they say. It is obvious you haven't taken the time to read them. Here is several sites about the differences and at the bottom is the Biblical defense of each. Read those 2 sites and then refute them. Your condemnation means nothing without demonstrating their error Biblically!!! The creeds were created for 3 reasons.
1. Define what a Christian must believe.
2. Anything contrary is heretical.
3. Any Biblical difference of opinion outside the creeds is to agree to disagree.

This is the historical reason the creeds were created by the elders from 212 to 500. Something many Christians of today ignore. Something stated by man is to be ignored. That is unless it is their churches and denominations doctrinal statements obout what the denomination and church believes. Hypocrasy anyone?

Quinquarticular Controversy
The diametrically opposed Calvinist and Armenian 5 points

Reformed/Calvinism
TULIP
1. Total depravity
2. Unconditional election
3. Limited atonement
4. Irresistible grace
5. Perserverance of the Saints

Armenianism
1. Free will or Human ability
2. Conditional election
3. Universal Redemption or General Atonement
4. The Holy Spirit can be Effectually Resisted
5. Falling from Grace

For a deeper discussion of the differences go to these web sites,

https://www.gotquestions.org/Calvinism-vs-Arminianism.html

Arminianism vs Calvinism Controversial Passages
https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages

There are denominations adhering to Calvinism, Arminianism, and parts of each creating a spectrum of different views of these issues.

Calvinism Armenianism debate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Calvinist–Arminian_debate

Biblical Defense of Calvinism
https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm

Biblical Defense of Arminianism
http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theology/calvinism-versus-arminianism/biblical-defense-of-arminianism/

 

[Endoscopy]

Fixed the above misspelling but the site went back to the top level and my correction was lost. This happens too often with me.

 

[preacher4truth]

I posted links for both Calvinism and Armenianism.

What are you rambling about?????? Refute what? I've condemned what exactly? That's right, I've condemned nothing. You don't even know what you're talking about, relax.

I'm trying to show you that you continuously misspell Arminianism. It's not Armenians, Armenianism nor are they from Armenia. Pay attention! Goodness sake man...

 

[Magenta]

 

[Endoscopy]

What are you rambling about?????? Refute what? I've condemned what exactly? That's right, I've condemned nothing. You don't even know what you're talking about, relax.

I'm trying to show you that you continuously misspell Arminianism. It's not Armenians, Armenianism nor are they from Armenia. Pay attention! Goodness sake man...

Oops
My spellchecker was using the misspelling, I have a copy program to keep things I use often. Half of the time it has the correct spelling and half wrong. Now I corrected that but my spellchecker won't forget the wrong spelling.

 

[preacher4truth]

Oops
My spellchecker was using the misspelling, I have a copy program to keep things I use often. Half of the time it has the correct spelling and half wrong. Now I corrected that but my spellchecker won't forget the wrong spelling.

Does your spell checker cause you to go off on a tangent, telling others to refute you and that someone condemned you? Too?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Many, do not acknowledge God works through His faith. called a work of faith. They say God does not have faith or neither does he need it

Our new faith is given to us with n cost on our behalf .It belongs to us as new creatures .But is not of us if it is of God. Can't serve two masters our ownself and God not seen

Romans 3 informs us what if some do not believe the gospel will their unbelief (no faith) work to make the faith of God without effect. To effect something is a work .

For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.Romans 3:3-4

Why do we faith in God?

Because God is faithfull (he is reliable. Trustworthy, He proved his love by dieing on the cross. And he has time and time again proved his trustworthyness all throughout scripture. (Look at Israel, The symbol of his unconditional love, who evern in their unfaithful sinfullness in their punishment are still called his beloved (rom 11)

So of course anyones unbelief will not tarnish Gods faithfullness or his love, Nor will it make his FAITHFULLNESS without effect (Rom 3: 3)

How can God overcome people unbelief? Because he died for them to. What a better witness for all eternity, that the Creator God, proved his love by suffering for those who would give him the finger. WHat kind of Love does that do? It SHUTS the enemy up, and it prevents any kind of rebellion from ever happening again in the future.. No one will ever doubt Gods love, Not even those who will end up in eternal darkness. Because they will now (some more than others) That God offered them that gift, and they WILLFULLY rejected it.

Gods faithfullness (The faith of God is a bad interpretation and does not make any sense) is pure, it is holy and it is without question because of these things.

 

[John146]

Just wondering...why are the lights out and fog "descending" from above? Is that not strange?

 

[garee]

Why do we faith in God?

Because God is faithfull (he is reliable. Trustworthy, He proved his love by dieing on the cross. And he has time and time again proved his trustworthyness all throughout scripture. (Look at Israel, The symbol of his unconditional love, who evern in their unfaithful sinfullness in their punishment are still called his beloved (rom 11)

So of course anyones unbelief will not tarnish Gods faithfullness or his love, Nor will it make his FAITHFULLNESS without effect (Rom 3: 3)

How can God overcome people unbelief? Because he died for them to. What a better witness for all eternity, that the Creator God, proved his love by suffering for those who would give him the finger. WHat kind of Love does that do? It SHUTS the enemy up, and it prevents any kind of rebellion from ever happening again in the future.. No one will ever doubt Gods love, Not even those who will end up in eternal darkness. Because they will now (some more than others) That God offered them that gift, and they WILLFULLY rejected it.

Gods faithfullness (The faith of God is a bad interpretation and does not make any sense) is pure, it is holy and it is without question because of these things.

God is our faithful Creator but that is not what is in question? Not so much why do we have faith in God. Previously having none . But how when we have none?

It has more to do than is God faithful we are informed by His word he so we know that true . But how does he work that faith in us which is not of us seeing there is not work we could do . If its his work of faith or labor of love that works in us to both will and do his good pleasure. The we can see it is not of our own selves. If we would claim it is of us then men blasphemy the holy name by which we are given ears to hear Him.

You asked How can God overcome people unbelief? God gives them his faith so that that might have it. Again previously having none not little nothing

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God is our faithful Creator but that is not what is in question? Not so much why do we have faith in God. Previously having none . But how when we have none?

It has more to do than is God faithful we are informed by His word he so we know that true . But how does he work that faith in us which is not of us seeing there is not work we could do . If its his work of faith or labor of love that works in us to both will and do his good pleasure. The we can see it is not of our own selves. If we would claim it is of us then men blasphemy the holy name by which we are given ears to hear Him.

You asked How can God overcome people unbelief? God gives them his faith so that that might have it. Again previously having none not little nothing

Your right, its more to do than God is faithfull.

Ity is do we HAVE trust, that God is faithfull

Those who do (through the spirit of God who teaches them God is faithful) will have eternal life

Those who do not (by rejecting what God has shown them) will die eternally.

What Godd is my faith if God is not faithfull? I wouldl not trust God. I would trust religion Self. Works. Laws. Sacraments, and any other thing that i could trust because I do not believe God is Faithull

How can God overcome people unbelief?

Start with romans 1

Then look at John 3-6

Then look at all the examples in history of people who HEARD God. Decided to TRUST him even though they could not SEE the end result (Faith is the substance of things HOPED FOR, the evidence of things NOT SEEN)

There is 66 books in the bible containing exampled of many upon many of people who God overcame their unbelief by provig to be faithfull

 

[Endoscopy]

Does your spell checker cause you to go off on a tangent, telling others to refute you and that someone condemned you? Too?

Incorrect in your assertion. It is not me I am challenging them to refute but the 2 sites defending the Biblical Defense of Arminianism and Calvinism! Go read my post again. Maybe you want to refute the Biblical Defense of Calvinism and Arminianism.

The creeds were created by the early elders to state what beliefs a Christian must have. Any Biblical issue outside of the creeds was agree to disagree. Thus Calvinism and Arminianism are agree to disagree. That and selected scriptures were used to bring people to have grace through faith in Jesus. Bibles were rare and very expensive. They took months by a scribe to create a copy of the Bible.

 

[garee]

Your right, its more to do than God is faithfull.

Ity is do we HAVE trust, that God is faithfull

Those who do (through the spirit of God who teaches them God is faithful) will have eternal life

Those who do not (by rejecting what God has shown them) will die eternally.

What Godd is my faith if God is not faithfull? I wouldl not trust God. I would trust religion Self. Works. Laws. Sacraments, and any other thing that i could trust because I do not believe God is Faithull

How can God overcome people unbelief?

Start with romans 1

Then look at John 3-6

Then look at all the examples in history of people who HEARD God. Decided to TRUST him even though they could not SEE the end result (Faith is the substance of things HOPED FOR, the evidence of things NOT SEEN)

There is 66 books in the bible containing exampled of many upon many of people who God overcame their unbelief by provig to be faithfull

Trusting God is our religion .The religion of a Atheist is to not trust God.

No such thing as no religion.

The religion God approvals of is found in James

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the "fatherless and widows" in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Because we are to give special care to the spiritual unseen house of God made up of many lively stones. The fatherless and widows in that parable represent all of the believers. Previously having no heavenly father as un married widows His bride the church.

Yes we do Have to trust God is faithful. That work can only be accomplished if he first gives us His faith( not of our own selves) needed to do so. It is not of ourselves but is a labor of His love or called a work of His faith.

What if some do not belief God (no faith coming from God ) will there unbelief make the faith of God that does work in some without effect? To effect something is to work it out. God works out our salvation till the end.... having begun with him, he will finish

Faith without works has "no spirit life" to offer. Christ finished all the work necessary for us to believe the father not seen. If we believe God it is because his faith is working in us and not from us ..

 

[preacher4truth]

Incorrect in your assertion. It is not me I am challenging them to refute but the 2 sites defending the Biblical Defense of Arminianism and Calvinism! Go read my post again. Maybe you want to refute the Biblical Defense of Calvinism and Arminianism.

The creeds were created by the early elders to state what beliefs a Christian must have. Any Biblical issue outside of the creeds was agree to disagree. Thus Calvinism and Arminianism are agree to disagree. That and selected scriptures were used to bring people to have grace through faith in Jesus. Bibles were rare and very expensive. They took months by a scribe to create a copy of the Bible.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bro, do you ever pay attention?

 

[Endoscopy]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bro, do you ever pay attention?

Please explain where I am wrong.

 

[preacher4truth]

Please explain where I am wrong.

You went on a blind tirade rebuking me for not being able "to refute your post", and for "condemning" it when all I did was show you continue to misspell Arminian.

Now you're wanting me to explain "where you're wrong."

Your brain is stuck in debate and defend mode.

 

[Hevosmies]

Oy vey!

These guys are SOFT. RIP Christianity.
I have to go listen to some low quality songs from the 50s to find some non-effeminate singing these days.
OR attend church, where we still sing non-effeminate music.

But im not here to judge, just throwing a lil jab due to hellsong being doctrinally QUESTIONABLE. If you like it, good.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Trusting God is our religion .The religion of a Atheist is to not trust God.

No such thing as no religion.

The religion God approvals of is found in James

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the "fatherless and widows" in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Because we are to give special care to the spiritual unseen house of God made up of many lively stones. The fatherless and widows in that parable represent all of the believers. Previously having no heavenly father as un married widows His bride the church.

Yes we do Have to trust God is faithful. That work can only be accomplished if he first gives us His faith( not of our own selves) needed to do so. It is not of ourselves but is a labor of His love or called a work of His faith.

What if some do not belief God (no faith coming from God ) will there unbelief make the faith of God that does work in some without effect? To effect something is to work it out. God works out our salvation till the end.... having begun with him, he will finish

Faith without works has "no spirit life" to offer. Christ finished all the work necessary for us to believe the father not seen. If we believe God it is because his faith is working in us and not from us ..

Religion will not get you to heaven, Ony Faith will.

Those who have faith will work. But works have never saved anyone.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Just wondering...why are the lights out and fog "descending" from above? Is that not strange?

Sounds like a manifestation of spiritual confusion.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I said it as a PICTURE of the quickening, how one is dead and cannot raise themselves.
And YOU are just did a LOT of speculation.

I did say I was guessing.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I agree with this. But God does this via the word, the gospel, that which saves people from their sins. No one is zapped and then later on they come to faith and repentance. As the gospel is being brought to the lost, God moves through it(the gospel) to bring them to saving faith in Christ.

Repentance and faith happen simultaneously, and this is done through the word of God as it is being used.

It still seems that we are not on the same track. The natural man will not repent of breaking a spiritual law of God that he does not understand. Only the regenerated child of God will repent. You understand that the child of God's repentance does not save him eternally, don't you? The gospel is not the cause of eternal salvation.