Hardshell & Primitive Baptist "Conditional Time Salvation" Warning
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Where does the Bible teach that God predestined everything? David inquired of the Lord as to whether the city would deliver him over to those who were out to get him. Since the answer was yes, so he left, and they didn't do it. It doesn't sound like every detail is forordained. And God had knowledge of events that could have taken place but did not.
With the way preacher4truth explains things about the Primitive Baptist, you will never understand what we believe. I don't think he understands himself. We believe that the scriptures teach that God choose an elect people, of a certain amount,(Eph 1) because by his foreknowledge he saw that all mankind was filthy and none would seek him and that their were none that did good, no, not one (Ps 53:2-3) Because they were totally depraved, he had his Son die on the cross as a sacrifice for their sins to clean them up and make them holy and without blame before him and Jesus said that he would lose none of them, but raise them up at the last day. (John 6:39). As the elect are born into this world, they are born with the sinful nature of Adam until God regenerates them and gives them his Holy Spirit. The inspired scriptures are written to God's regenerated children as instructions as to how God wants them to live their lives here on earth. There is a deliverance (salvation) here in time in coming unto a knowledge of the gospel. Understanding the gospel is not the cause of a person getting eternal life. Understanding the gospel is a product of being born again. Ask me anything that you have a question on and I will try to answer it. You will only get an evasive answer from Preacher4truth and not at all what we believe because he does not know himself. All of God's elect were saved eternally by Jesus's death on the cross.
So, here is what I glean from your many postings...
1) You advocate free grace theology, where God's saved people can live like the devil and will be welcomed into His presence with open arms
2) You are advocating eternal vital union(eternal justification) where all of God's people were justified from creation
3) You are advocating anti-means regeneration, where God regenerates His people even if they never hear the gospel
4) You are advocating the gospel is not an instrument God uses to save His people, but a confirmation of their already being saved
Please correct me if I am wrong my friend. I do not want to misrepresent you in any way, shape, form or fashion.
1) You advocate free grace theology, where God's saved people can live like the devil and will be welcomed into His presence with open arms
2) You are advocating eternal vital union(eternal justification) where all of God's people were justified from creation
3) You are advocating anti-means regeneration, where God regenerates His people even if they never hear the gospel
4) You are advocating the gospel is not an instrument God uses to save His people, but a confirmation of their already being saved
Please correct me if I am wrong my friend. I do not want to misrepresent you in any way, shape, form or fashion.
I've explained the beliefs of the Primitive Baptists accurately and concisely. The fact that the PB's preach a false Gospel is easy to see.
If anyone here is having trouble understanding (presidente?) then I'd suggest reading the OP and reading posts #149 & #150 for a better understanding, they are not difficult reads and nothing in them is misrepresentative. Please understand I'm not going to stop to re-explain this each time a person comes into the thread as the information is already there.
Some have jumped into this thread in the end and thought it was about another subject since there was an attempt to derail it into sinless perfection. I ask kindly that any and all get up to speed and investigate it, others and myself have provided ample information and argumentation against the false gospel of PB's.
My apologies on behalf of ForestGreenCook for his above bearing false witness in the midst of this discussion yet again. Unfortunately he has done this throughout this thread and several can attest to this behavior.
A part of the PB false gospel you must understand is, that according to this sect when you believed the gospel you were not granted eternal life but only some temporary circumstances deliverance in this world. ForestGreenCook has taught many of their beliefs here, then has denied what he taught only to teach it again in the same thread. It is quite a deceitful teaching and filled with dishonesty, contradictions and inconsistencies. There are many false teachings that FGC has shared on here if you care to read them and see them.
Keep in mind that no sect wants their full teachings exposed and at the same time true Gospel preaching has nothing to hide; note Acts 20:27.
If anyone here is having trouble understanding (presidente?) then I'd suggest reading the OP and reading posts #149 & #150 for a better understanding, they are not difficult reads and nothing in them is misrepresentative. Please understand I'm not going to stop to re-explain this each time a person comes into the thread as the information is already there.
Some have jumped into this thread in the end and thought it was about another subject since there was an attempt to derail it into sinless perfection. I ask kindly that any and all get up to speed and investigate it, others and myself have provided ample information and argumentation against the false gospel of PB's.
My apologies on behalf of ForestGreenCook for his above bearing false witness in the midst of this discussion yet again. Unfortunately he has done this throughout this thread and several can attest to this behavior.
A part of the PB false gospel you must understand is, that according to this sect when you believed the gospel you were not granted eternal life but only some temporary circumstances deliverance in this world. ForestGreenCook has taught many of their beliefs here, then has denied what he taught only to teach it again in the same thread. It is quite a deceitful teaching and filled with dishonesty, contradictions and inconsistencies. There are many false teachings that FGC has shared on here if you care to read them and see them.
Keep in mind that no sect wants their full teachings exposed and at the same time true Gospel preaching has nothing to hide; note Acts 20:27.
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Anti-evangelism is what sprung this sect into being so it is the teaching of all of them. This started at a split and now we have PB's and Missionary Baptist churches. Of course there could be a group somewhere among them that teach against this. According to the PB false gospel people are already converted worldwide and they don't need to hear or believe the gospel, nor have faith in Christ, nor even have the faith at all to enter eternal life. If they believe in any afterlife it's because they're "already converted."
Please read the OP and posts #149-#150 if you have not already. I dislike having to say this yet it needs to be said, and others can attest to this, FGC has been bearing false witness throughout this thread and has been called on this by others and myself.
Please read the OP and posts #149-#150 if you have not already. I dislike having to say this yet it needs to be said, and others can attest to this, FGC has been bearing false witness throughout this thread and has been called on this by others and myself.
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You have a very deceitful way of turning your assertions around the opposite direction of what the truth is. If you think Acts 20:27 describes you, you are very prideful and also very wrong. I did not join myself to the Primitive baptist until after the truth was revealed to me, as I have told you before. Unlike you who sat under instructors teaching you a false doctrine and giving you false documentation to preach said false doctrine. I read where Paul sat under the top instructor of the old law, but when he was converted, he did not go immediately to the other Apostles, or some preaching school, but went off to himself and was taught by the revelation of the Holy Ghost. You and I can discuss the scriptures in a civil tone or not. Your choice.