Josephus 'Wars of the Jews' book2 chapter19 and books 5&6. In book 6 chapter2, 'in the meantime' of section 7 is 7 days, and the 'in the meantime' of section 9 is that day
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Josephus 'Wars of the Jews' book2 chapter19 and books 5&6. In book 6 chapter2, 'in the meantime' of section 7 is 7 days, and the 'in the meantime' of section 9 is that day
In wars 2 Josephus states Pella was "sacked" by the Jews and it is not mentioned in Chapter 19 this is why I see it as misread and misquoted in err. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-2.html I added the full text for review.
The war is not flesh and blood but principalities. How did the Roman empire fling the truth to the ground?
Dan 8:11 It magnified itself, even to the Prince of the host; it removed His daily sacrifice and overthrew the place of His sanctuary. 12And on account of rebellion, the host and the daily sacrifice were given over to the horn, and it flung truth to the ground and prospered in whatever it did. 13Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long until the fulfillment of the vision of the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, and the surrender of the sanctuary and of the host to be trampled?”
Jesus said wars and rumors of war only means the beginning, so 70AD was the beginning and not the end.
Again the question is, what wisdom/understanding is needed for someone to connect armies desolating an area to a prophesy?
Doesn't matter, 70AD, some of Jesus' apostles were still alive and non bothered to say the 70AD events were a fulfillment of Daniel's prophesy.
When were the gospels written?
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Matthew and Luke are describing the same event and the same time "the compassing of Jerusalem":
Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
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Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
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Both gospel accounts are describing the same event with the SAME admonition - "let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains" therefore the compassing of Jerusalem and the abomination of desolation occurred in the 1st century AD.
You need to let scripture guide your understanding rather than your preconceptions guide the scripture.
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Obvious?
You have been given the hebrew meaning of the word. What is more obvious. The interpretation of the word or what someone thinks it means?
1 John does not contradict the true meaning of the word.
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Then I do not see how I can reply properly, I can not reply to what I can not see.
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I did a search of “pella” in the book of josephus “updated edition” and non of the places he mentioned came up in the search.
In all fairness I think it was misquoted by someone in the past and after that it was never verified and then re quoted by others.
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Sadly i think this happens to much, which is why we should always test sources and not just believe everything we read
Pella was noted by Eusebius and Epiphanius who I'm no phan of.
There is doubt in scholarly "circles" about this.
The people of the Church in Jerusalem were commanded by an oracle given by revelation before the war to those in the city who were worthy of it to depart and dwell in one of the cities of Perea which they called Pella. To it those who believed on Christ traveled from Jerusalem, so that when holy men had altogether deserted the royal capital of the Jews and the whole land of Judaea…"
— Eusebius, Church History 3, 5, 3
This heresy of the Nazoraeans exists in Beroea in the neighbourhood of Coele Syria and the Decapolis in the region of Pella and in Basanitis in the so-called Kokaba (Chochabe in Hebrew). From there it took its beginning after the exodus from Jerusalem when all the disciples went to live in Pella because Christ had told them to leave Jerusalem and to go away since it would undergo a siege. Because of this advice they lived in Perea after having moved to that place, as I said."
— Epiphanius, Panarion 29,7,7-8
For after all those who believed in Christ had generally come to live in Perea, in a city called Pella of the Decapolis of which it is written in the Gospel that it is situated in the neighbourhood of the region of Batanaea and Basanitis, Ebion's preaching originated here after they had moved to this place and had lived there."
— Epiphanius, Panarion 30, 2, 7
So Aquila, while he was in Jerusalem, also saw the disciples of the disciples of the apostles flourishing in the faith and working great signs, healings, and other miracles. For they were such as had come back from the city of Pella to Jerusalem and were living there and teaching. For when the city was about to be taken and destroyed by the Romans, it was revealed in advance to all the disciples by an angel of God that they should remove from the city, as it was going to be completely destroyed. They sojourned as emigrants in Pella, the city above mentioned in Transjordania. And this city is said to be of the Decapolis."
Sauce:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_to_Pella
The argument about Pella is just so ridicilous. Has anyone ever checked out what happened to those in Pella?
Why does preterism exist? I believe its here to test us, to see if we can refrain from name-calling and blatant disrespect. Its a tough task for sure!
I have been able to refrain for now
Why does preterism exist? I believe its here to test us, to see if we can refrain from name-calling and blatant disrespect. Its a tough task for sure!
I have been able to refrain for now
They are the two who first bought up the Pella incident and as if they did not realize the Ebionites and Nazoraeans both thought the Apostles and especially Paul were heretic and although they did see Jesus as Messiah believed that the gentiles should be circumcised and follow the law.
4:4 Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity.
Eze 4:5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.
Eze 4:6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.
Who in the world, other than Jesus, BEARS THE INIQUITY of other people? To put it another way, who, other than Jesus, pays for the sins of other people?
If Ezekiel 4 isn't Jesus bearing the iniquity of Israel and Judah, then who is it? Did Ezekiel pay for their sins?
That is over reading a passage.
Ezekiel slept on his side for all those days that he was told, he baked a cake with human feces and ate- Ezekiel paid the price for the house of Israel but still prophesied to them.
Picking a passage out of context and applying on Jesus- it would be interesting to see how you connect Jesus to the even where Ezekiel is told to bake with human feces.
Another prophet was forced to marry a prostitute for the sake of Israel- how does this apply to Jesus?
I've always wondered about that.
How could God ask that prophet to go against His own commandments which state you are not allowed to marry a harlot? (Any sons of Israel cant do this it says)
I read up some commentaries on it, John Gill seems to suggest its a parable, due to the apparent conflict with the commandments given.
Some say it was lawful because God specifically commanded it. Exception to the rule kind of deal. WHich okay, sounds reasonable but I can see this opening the flood gates. By the same token anyone could claim God told tehm to do all kinds of sins and we should be okay with it today. That is the worry with this particular interpretation.