Slavery

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Lanolin

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People say its been abolished but I am not convinced as its still present in the world today.
What does the Bible say about it and what ought to be a christian response to it.
Have you ever owned slaves? Or been one? Slavery can go by different names but its still working for someone who treats you bad. What are the origins of it and how can one stop it?
 

JaumeJ

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YOu have said it! It, slavery, comes in so many forms and it has made many endentured slaves today. Good post. May you and I be spared this trial...…….j
 

JustEli

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Slavery is very much in practice today. And I don't mean metaphorically.
 
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Read Philemon................and does not the bible teach us that we are doulos <---bond slaves or servants having been bought with a price????
 

Nehemiah6

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What are the origins of it and how can one stop it?
The origins of slavery go back to antiquity. Chances are it cannot be stopped. Slavery exists at the present time, particularly through human trafficking.

But there are many forms of slavery other than human slaves. Any kind of addiction is slavery, and any person under totalitarian rule is also a slave. Today addiction to iPhones is clearly a form of slavery.

The sad fact is that countries which are supposed to be free are choosing to be enslaved, by failing to elect those who are suitable to govern, as well as in other ways. And all humans are slaves of sin, idolatry, and superstition, until and unless they are converted.

But even many Christians are enslaved to false doctrines and practices, since they refuse to accept the truth and turn away from the lies. Whenever people resist the truth, they are tacitly saying that they prefer the bondage of lies.
 

CharliRenee

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To be a bondservent to Christ is the most liberating thing we can do. Sin's dominion, on the other hand, chokes out any hope of freedom.
 

Lanolin

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I was thinking it went back to cannaan after Noah was uncovered in his tent...the curse of being a servant of servants. But it could be back to Adam and Eve, Eves curse being she desires her husband 'and he shall rule over thee. '

Not saying all wives are slaves to their husbands but sadly many husbands do treat their wives like slaves.
 
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obedienttogod

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God allowed His chosen people to be slaves three major times in their biblical history.

What cracks me up most about the Jewish people, they believe they above everyone else. They claim to be pure bred and basically the blue blood of humanity. But let's just think about this for a moment. As descendants of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph and his brothers, they were enslaved by the Egyptians.

Now, if we look at the slavery that took place in the United States. We will find that slave masters were more than just heartless. Let's look at President Thomas Jefferson. he fathered a multitude of children by forcing himself onto his female slaves. Let's take that same thought and apply it to the Egyptians being slave masters to the Hebrews. There is no way possible the Hebrews were pure blood when they finally became a free people.

Later on in the Children of Israel's history, they became slaves to the Babylonians and the Assyrians.

By the time Yeshua was on the scene to die for our salvation, the Jews had Egyptian, Babylonian, and Assyrian blood mixed in them. They basically were Gentiles.

No doubt the Germans in the 1930'-40's also took advantage of the women who later on survived the Holocaust.

There is no possible way the Jews today are of pure blood going back to Abraham.


This is just one of the many tragedies that can happen in slavery. And to think, God allowed His own people to be manipulated, treated as animals, used like cheap prostitutes, at least 4 times throughout their storied history. It just amazes me that if God can allow His own people to suffer like that, He definitely can allow billions upon billions to suffer for all eternity!!
 

posthuman

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Slavery can go by different names but its still working for someone who treats you bad.
hmm i don't think that's an adequate definition of 'slavery'

suppose you do the same job for 4 years. you have one boss who treats you poorly for 2 years, then they are replaced by another boss who treats you fairly for the last 2 years. all the while, you do exactly the same job. is your job 'not slavery' while you have a 'fair boss' but 'slavery' you have an 'unfair boss' ?
and what if someone works beside you doing exactly the same job, and a biased manager treats him poorly and you fairly - he's a slave but you aren't? while you make the same wage, for the same hours, doing the same work, with the same contract?


also --

Now Joseph had been taken down to Egypt. Potiphar, an Egyptian who was one of Pharaoh’s officials, the captain of the guard, bought him from the Ishmaelites who had taken him there.
The Lord was with Joseph so that he prospered, and he lived in the house of his Egyptian master. When his master saw that the Lord was with him and that the Lord gave him success in everything he did, Joseph found favor in his eyes and became his attendant. Potiphar put him in charge of his household, and he entrusted to his care everything he owned. From the time he put him in charge of his household and of all that he owned, the Lord blessed the household of the Egyptian because of Joseph. The blessing of the Lord was on everything Potiphar had, both in the house and in the field. So Potiphar left everything he had in Joseph’s care; with Joseph in charge, he did not concern himself with anything except the food he ate.
(Genesis 39:1-6)

here's Joseph, clearly a slave, clearly with a master who treats him very well.



maybe a better working definition of slavery is not having the option to walk away.
 
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When you hear the word slave, instantly it is perceived as negative, because of the injustices performed by the masters. Forced slavery, oppressing another human because you possess that power and control is wrong. I would have no problem taking the life of those who kidnap women and children forcing them into sexual slavery. However, the word is used in the Bible to describe a form of agreed employment. People would sell themselves with their family into slavery to abolish a debt. It’s more like an employee. We have a different system today. Now the banks own our debt, and we choose our employer/master. We pretend that we are free but in all honesty, because we depend on attaining a standard currency, unless we become a master in this system, we are all slaves.
 

posthuman

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Now, if we look at the slavery that took place in the United States. We will find that slave masters were more than just heartless. Let's look at President Thomas Jefferson. he fathered a multitude of children by forcing himself onto his female slaves. Let's take that same thought and apply it to the Egyptians being slave masters to the Hebrews.
i'm not sure it's true that Jefferson raped his slaves. but even if it is, is it logical to assume that all American slave owners were heartless rapists, and by further extension assume the same thing about ancient Egyptians?
 

JaumeJ

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Is it not Jefferson who many believe was mulatto?
 
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pottersclay

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Slavery by simplest definition is to be entrusted into another ones care.
Many people get forced labor confused with slavery painting a grim pitchure on the subject.
God holds accountability on the care giver. Slavery or to be a slave was actually a social status by custom. It was used to pay off debt.
Or to help others who had fallen into hard times. Many times the so called slave would offer their self for service.

Forced labor slavery was not what God intended but used by God as a course of punishment and correction. Such as the case of Egypt and other nations.

Back in the day the slave trade in the United States was popular but soon got out of hand due to supply and demand. Greed had taken over the hearts of many causing forced labor beyond human endurance. A ugly time in history indeed.
What is worthy to note that not all "slave owners" were cruel as some left the land and plantations to there slaves. Others were given land to start there own crops and homesteads.
Many slaves were educated but because of the racial injustice were not allowed to pursue any ambition.
This event along with others in other countries put a dark and cruel connection to slavery.
 

louis

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Wow, another senior moment! It was Alexander Hamilton.....a distant relative.
Interesting. If Hamilton's body were exumed, a DNA test would readily verify or deny his being mulatto.
 

JaumeJ

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I always liked the rumor hoping it to be true...….. All Hamiltons are of the Hamilton clan of Scotland, so he is my relative, how I would not know...I only know my family three generations, and that is only two of the grandparents side.

I like his image on the $20...lol
 
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obedienttogod

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i'm not sure it's true that Jefferson raped his slaves. but even if it is, is it logical to assume that all American slave owners were heartless rapists, and by further extension assume the same thing about ancient Egyptians?



To possess another human being, to never see that other human being as being part of your own species, to work that human being like it was just another member of livestock, to beat that human being for wanting to be free, to even kill that human being like it was an unruly mule, it all seems rather heartless to me.

Just the simple possession of another human being, that falls under the jurisdiction of slavery, is a heartless act to begin with!!
 

posthuman

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to never see that other human being as being part of your own species, to work that human being like it was just another member of livestock, to beat that human being for wanting to be free, to even kill that human being like it was an unruly mule, it all seems rather heartless to me.
to me it also sounds like things i cannot assume about a person simply from the basis that they own a slave. see for example again, Potiphar. did he consider Joseph to be subhuman? even his wife did not rape Joseph, but enticed him.