Mystery Babylon

[MandJforever]

Hi Nehemiah,

Scripture states that the woman who rides the beast, Babylon the great, as being a city, which sits on seven hills/mountains. How can "the sum total of all the religious systems" be a city that sits on seven hills? It has to be an actual city and that city is Rome/Vatican with her false system of Roman Catholicism, which sits on seven hills and which contains most of the rites and practices of Pagan Babylon. The city of Rome/Vatican is the headquarters for Mystery, Babylon. Not the actual city of Babylon, but Rome with her pagan religious system stemming from Babylon.

We have to stick with the clues that scripture gives to us. That said, the woman is a city, which sits on seven hills and which is the headquarters of that religious system which is composed of the pagan religious rites and rituals of ancient Babylon.

In addition, that she is a literal city can be seen by the fact that all the merchants, captains and all those who make their living on the sea will be far off when they see the smoke of her burning and say "Woe! Woe! O great city." In fact, when you read the entire context, it is not possible that the woman who rides the beast, Babylon the great, as representing the "sum total of all the religious systems" in the world. The scripture is speaking about a specific city representing her Babylonian practices. How could "the sum total of all religious systems" be that city that ruled over the kings of the earth? It just doesn't fit any of the God given clues.

Roman Catholicism is going to play the part of the woman who rides the beast, with her headquarters being Rome/Vatican as that city that sits on seven hills.

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Hi Nehemiah,

Scripture states that the woman who rides the beast, Babylon the great, as being a city, which sits on seven hills/mountains. How can "the sum total of all the religious systems" be a city that sits on seven hills? It has to be an actual city and that city is Rome/Vatican with her false system of Roman Catholicism, which sits on seven hills and which contains most of the rites and practices of Pagan Babylon. The city of Rome/Vatican is the headquarters for Mystery, Babylon. Not the actual city of Babylon, but Rome with her pagan religious system stemming from Babylon.

We have to stick with the clues that scripture gives to us. That said, the woman is a city, which sits on seven hills and which is the headquarters of that religious system which is composed of the pagan religious rites and rituals of ancient Babylon.

In addition, that she is a literal city can be seen by the fact that all the merchants, captains and all those who make their living on the sea will be far off when they see the smoke of her burning and say "Woe! Woe! O great city." In fact, when you read the entire context, it is not possible that the woman who rides the beast, Babylon the great, as representing the "sum total of all the religious systems" in the world. The scripture is speaking about a specific city representing her Babylonian practices. How could "the sum total of all religious systems" be that city that ruled over the kings of the earth? It just doesn't fit any of the God given clues.

Roman Catholicism is going to play the part of the woman who rides the beast, with her headquarters being Rome/Vatican as that city that sits on seven hills.

I believe the bible describes the spiritual things and its true forms
--the evil spirits or the spiritual nature of what's happening in the flesh or on earth. I believe if something of a spiritual nature were to present itself whether good or evil it would look exactly as the bible describes it in prophecy. And so its qualities and characteristics would make sense.

 

[MandJforever]

I'm not exactly sure what mystery babylon is but based on the threads it seems that the consensus is Rome--and all nations at some point. As I stated as a reply in one thread, I truly believe that the bible describes the true nature and descriptions of the spiritual nature of things--whether good or evil. The description of mystery babylon, satan and the antichrist are being described in their true forms in the the bible. That is very serious. I believe that if God allowed one to see mystery babylon, beast and the dragon in their true spiritual forms they would exactly as described in the bible.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh ok.
Thats what many people say, but Im rather skeptical of that. Why would a man of sin bother to make a covenant, if only to break it. Thats like saying people only get married in order to divorce.

Mine is not to question why

Mine is to know God said it will happen. And I trust that he knows better than I do, no matter what the reason.

 

[Lanolin]

Mine is not to question why

Mine is to know God said it will happen. And I trust that he knows better than I do, no matter what the reason.

Wait, what covenant are YOU referring to, the old one or the new one. As far as I know thats the only covenants there are. Christians abide by the new covenant, there arent any more NEWER ones.

 

[Lanolin]

I'm not exactly sure what mystery babylon is but based on the threads it seems that the consensus is Rome--and all nations at some point. As I stated as a reply in one thread, I truly believe that the bible describes the true nature and descriptions of the spiritual nature of things--whether good or evil. The description of mystery babylon, satan and the antichrist are being described in their true forms in the the bible. That is very serious. I believe that if God allowed one to see mystery babylon, beast and the dragon in their true spiritual forms they would exactly as described in the bible.

If its Rome is there a case or fact that it as a city has killed many saints and made many matryrs as in revelation 17:6? Maybe someone can give us a list? Approximate numbers?

And if so, would we all be glad that it burns down in one day? If the city of Rome was removed from this earth, would things change?

 

[so-jesus-e-deus]

Am not really sure about the identity of this , some people say its Jerusalem, others say its Rome.

Certainly is Jerusalem. After all:

• Jer 23:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wait, what covenant are YOU referring to, the old one or the new one. As far as I know thats the only covenants there are. Christians abide by the new covenant, there arent any more NEWER ones.

Neither

I am refering to the abrahamic

And it has nothing to do with abiding in a covenant, It is claiming Gods promises per a covenant. Which by the way, God said was an eternal covenant.

 

[MandJforever]

Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand

 

[Lanolin]

Neither

I am refering to the abrahamic

And it has nothing to do with abiding in a covenant, It is claiming Gods promises per a covenant. Which by the way, God said was an eternal covenant.

Ok...but isnt Jesus new convenant a fulfilling of the abrahamic convenant.

Then what are you talking about. Please explain. What would the man of sin promise to do via the abrahamic covenant and then break. Sounds a bit suss. The israelites had already broken the abrahamic covnent many times thats why Jesus was sent to make a new one with His blood. Which is eternal.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ok...but isnt Jesus new convenant a fulfilling of the abrahamic convenant.

Read the covenant, there are different parts of the covenant. Jesus did not fulfill them all.

Then what are you talking about. Please explain. What would the man of sin promise to do via the abrahamic covenant and then break. Sounds a bit suss. The israelites had already broken the abrahamic covnent many times thats why Jesus was sent to make a new one with His blood. Which is eternal.

We are talking about the future tribulation. Or what the prophet Jeremiah called the time of Jacobs trouble. Where the man of sin will be the cause of worldwide dominion (the final form of the 4th beast of Daniel) and who will be in power at the time of Christs return.

Concernign the nation of Isreal. The abrahamic covenant is context

Concerning the tribulation. It has nothing to do with any covenant, It is just events which God spoke through prophets (many) which he said will happen.

 

[Lanolin]

Read the covenant, there are different parts of the covenant. Jesus did not fulfill them all.



We are talking about the future tribulation. Or what the prophet Jeremiah called the time of Jacobs trouble. Where the man of sin will be the cause of worldwide dominion (the final form of the 4th beast of Daniel) and who will be in power at the time of Christs return.

Concernign the nation of Isreal. The abrahamic covenant is context

Concerning the tribulation. It has nothing to do with any covenant, It is just events which God spoke through prophets (many) which he said will happen.

Really, Jesus didnt fufill all the convenant? Where do you get that from? He said it was finished. He made a new one with his own blood! Are you saying his blood wasnt enough??

Sorry you just not making much sense to me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Really, Jesus didnt fufill all the convenant? Where do you get that from? He said it was finished. He made a new one with his own blood! Are you saying his blood wasnt enough??

Sorry you just not making much sense to me.

Like most people. Your focused on the part of the covenant which deals with the restoration or blessing of mankind which leads to salvation

And IGNORE the part where God told Abraham he told Issac and he told Jacob, And I give you THIS LAND as an ETERNAL INHERITANCE.Which has absolutely NOTHING to do with ANYONES salvation.

Until you resolve this mistake in your mind, you can never understand our thinking.

 

[Lanolin]

Like most people. Your focused on the part of the covenant which deals with the restoration or blessing of mankind which leads to salvation

And IGNORE the part where God told Abraham he told Issac and he told Jacob, And I give you THIS LAND as an ETERNAL INHERITANCE.Which has absolutely NOTHING to do with ANYONES salvation.

Until you resolve this mistake in your mind, you can never understand our thinking.

You assume too much.
His blood is still in the land. JEsus is coming back to inherit it. Hes bringing heaven to earth. What are YOU talking about?

The lamb is going to stand on the mount of zion, and all the nations will go up to worship Him. It absolutely has to do with everyones salvation, because thats where Jesus is going to be where we will see him face to face. Otherwise why would we bother having a King of Kings Lord of Lords. Why would a new earth and a new heaven be needed. JEsus makes everything new.

 

[noblenut]

babylon in rev is a future city in the last days, and the locusts are the babylonians, they will be unlike anything we have seen and make the nazis, communist and any other group seem benign by comparison.

 

[Lanolin]

babylon in rev is a future city in the last days, and the locusts are the babylonians, they will be unlike anything we have seen and make the nazis, communist and any other group seem benign by comparison.

So...do you think its one that hasnt been built yet.

Or is it an existing city thats here right now? As we know through history cities can come and go. Like atlantis, pompei, sodom and gomorrah..places like easter island and macchu pichu. Of course the ancient city of Babylon is no longer. Its deserted and desolate.

People are still living in Jerusalem, and Rome. But there have been many cities rising since Bible times. All over the world people are migrating into cities as places become more urbanised. More airports are being built and trade becoming global. More leaders concetrate on cities with larger populations. Larger populations mean more economic power.

 

[noblenut]

So...do you think its one that hasnt been built yet.

Or is it an existing city thats here right now? As we know through history cities can come and go. Like atlantis, pompei, sodom and gomorrah..places like easter island and macchu pichu. Of course the ancient city of Babylon is no longer. Its deserted and desolate.

People are still living in Jeusalem, and Rome. But there have been many cities rising since Bible times. All over the world people are migrating into cities as places become more urbanised. More airports are being built and trade becoming global. More leaders concetrate on cities with larger populations. Larger populations mean more economic power.

i think it will be unlike anything that exist today or in history, it says in rev that its on seven mountains near the Euphrates river and as far as i know there is no city like that and its a future prophecy

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You assume too much.
His blood is still in the land. JEsus is coming back to inherit it. Hes bringing heaven to earth. What are YOU talking about?

The lamb is going to stand on the mount of zion, and all the nations will go up to worship Him. It absolutely has to do with everyones salvation, because thats where Jesus is going to be where we will see him face to face. Otherwise why would we bother having a King of Kings Lord of Lords. Why would a new earth and a new heaven be needed. JEsus makes everything new.

Whatever

You ignore much

God made a promise to a nation of people. He does not go back on his promises. And will do what he promised he would do. USE THEM to prove to ALL THE EARTH he is God!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

babylon in rev is a future city in the last days, and the locusts are the babylonians, they will be unlike anything we have seen and make the nazis, communist and any other group seem benign by comparison.

Its a city, But something about that city makes it babylon.

And its not in the middle east. Its not america. When it is destroyed, the world will rejoice.. Oh Wait, not it will not (like it would if it were the US or the middle east) the world will CRY and MOURNE deeply because of what it has lost.

 

[Lanolin]

i think it will be unlike anything that exist today or in history, it says in rev that its on seven mountains near the Euphrates river and as far as i know there is no city like that and its a future prophecy

Ok. I dont recall the geography of Rome if anyone can name the seven mountains that might help.
If its Jerusalem what seven mountains does Jerusalem sit on?

 

[Lanolin]

Its a city, But something about that city makes it babylon.

And its not in the middle east. Its not america. When it is destroyed, the world will rejoice.. Oh Wait, not it will not (like it would if it were the US or the middle east) the world will CRY and MOURNE deeply because of what it has lost.

Those in heaven and the apostles and prophets will rejoice see rev 18:20