Armed SWAT Team in Arizona Breaks Down Door of Family with Unvaccinated Child.

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Does any of this get reported in the normal press. or only on anti vaccination sites.

Links to other sources ?
 
Dude653 said:
anti-vax people shouldn't even have children
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Now if someone were to say that poor people, or people below a given IQ, or persons of a certain race shouldn't have children I can assure you that you would be the first to start screaming...................................
 
Dude653 said:
they haven't. That was a time before modern medicine when a person was lucky to live to be 40.

also Big Brother isn't a real thing
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Untrue on both statements. I recommend an actual study of history.
Thats one of the ways statistics are misused for propaganda purposes.

Big brother is a concept also refered to as the nanny state, and it's a very real phenomenon.
 
Ohm said:
This is spun research. What the studies your source cites actually found is that more robust children with better performing immune systems are the children who tend to survive measles. It follows logically that those same robust, high immunity children would be less likely to develop cancers.

We can't test your hypothesis on kids who didn't survive measles, because they are dead.

At any rate, your source is a known to be a staunch anti-vaccination movement. Bias is inherent.
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As if bias isn't inherent by those who make a profit from forcing people via govco and imprisonment. The study that I posted is physicians who stand to gain nothing by people making informed decisions. So who actually has a dog in the hunt? Perhaps big pharma who makes a profit. Follow the money. As big Fan "T" says, " it's all about the money boys".
 
Dude653 said:
anti-vax propaganda needs to be banned from all social media
typically I'm not a fan of censorship but that's the one thing that should not have a platform. We're already saying the repercussions with measles outbreaks in Europe
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Statists should be allowed to speak in public.
Saying is correct, spreading propaganda handed to you by your idol the State
 
Dude653 said:
anti-vax propaganda needs to be banned from all social media
typically I'm not a fan of censorship but that's the one thing that should not have a platform. We're already saying the repercussions with measles outbreaks in Europe
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Only someone who fears that their ideas are no longer sellable in the free market of thought say such things as to ban open public sharing of ideas. Rather than being willing to make intelligent arguments for their ideas they just want to use the jackboots to shut the others down.
 
The thing is, I am not even anti vax. I'm a freedom guy. Informed consent is where I stand. Freedom and liberty are Paramount.
 
Locoponydirtman said:
Only someone who fears that their ideas are no longer sellable in the free market of thought say such things as to ban open public sharing of ideas. Rather than being willing to make intelligent arguments for their ideas they just want to use the jackboots to shut the others down.
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Not when it's false information which is harmful and dangerous
 
Dude653 said:
how dare the government infringe upon my right to spread preventable diseases
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Only someone with a vested interest in personal gain and a false narrative to reinforce it would be against informed consent.
 
Well I mean why should we listen to scientific facts and peer reviewed data when we can get our information from anti-vax memes on Facebook?
 
Oncefallen said:

Now if someone were to say that poor people, or people below a given IQ, or persons of a certain race shouldn't have children I can assure you that you would be the first to start screaming...................................
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children don't deserve to get sick and suffer because their parents are too stupid to vaccinate
 
I looked into it and found the actual report from the azcentral news website.

https://www.azfamily.com/news/ap_cn...cle_5eaa372e-776b-11e9-aaa9-872c750642cd.html

Apparently the mother was worried about the repercussions of not having her kids vaccinated so she had originally refused to let the cops in. Never a good idea do not comply with the cops.

The main reason it even happens was I guess the kid they sent to the doctor had a 105 fever and (despite the doctor saying to take the kid to the hospital) decided to take him home to see if it would break naturally. Supposedly it did before the kerfuffle happened.
 
Dude653 said:
Well I mean why should we listen to scientific facts and peer reviewed data when we can get our information from anti-vax memes on Facebook?
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You're the only one who mentioned Facebook. Who here has posted any meme or similitude there of from any social media source?
I guess when you can't win with intellectual arguments, you resort to personal attacks and insults. Saul Alinsky would be proud of you.
 
ArtsieSteph said:
I looked into it and found the actual report from the azcentral news website.

https://www.azfamily.com/news/ap_cn...cle_5eaa372e-776b-11e9-aaa9-872c750642cd.html

Apparently the mother was worried about the repercussions of not having her kids vaccinated so she had originally refused to let the cops in. Never a good idea do not comply with the cops.

The main reason it even happens was I guess the kid they sent to the doctor had a 105 fever and (despite the doctor saying to take the kid to the hospital) decided to take him home to see if it would break naturally. Supposedly it did before the kerfuffle happened.
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The Constitution still matters, cops only have authority as far as the Constitution allows. So with out a warrant they had no right to be there.
Of they have a warrant there are rules under which the the warrant was issued. Which means they can only search to find what the warrant is issued for.
People need to know their rights. So for example if the warrant was to determine if the child was still fevered then you simply bring the child to them, and show them the fever was gone, and that the child is fine.
Knowing your rights is very important when statists want to invade your home.
These people had lots of issues. According to the article their house was a mess and conditions were unsanitary. But that's not what this thread is about; it's about vaccinations and law enforcement of said vaccinations.
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
As if bias isn't inherent by those who make a profit from forcing people via govco and imprisonment. The study that I posted is physicians who stand to gain nothing by people making informed decisions. So who actually has a dog in the hunt? Perhaps big pharma who makes a profit. Follow the money. As big Fan "T" says, " it's all about the money boys".
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There are plenty of pharmaceutical organizations who give away vaccines, or sell them at break-even prices, especially in parts of the world where people are unlikely to be able to afford them. Also, every nationalized health service in the world works upon a monopoly share of healthcare, meaning they can force pharmaceutical companies to drastically reduce their sale prices for a variety of medicines and vaccines, if those companies wish to be allowed to trade in the country's substantial, monopolized healthcare market.

Socialized medicine doesn't pay profit to shareholders, ergo it has absolutely nothing to gain by making sure everyone is vaccinated. For it costs the socialized system money to ensure thus. And yet, they do it anyway. Why? Because a healthy population is a productive population.

There is no conspiracy. We have scientific proof that vaccines do what they are intended to do. They are why smallpox doesn't exist in nature anymore.
 
Ohm said:
There are plenty of pharmaceutical organizations who give away vaccines, or sell them at break-even prices, especially in parts of the world where people are unlikely to be able to afford them. Also, every nationalized health service in the world works upon a monopoly share of healthcare, meaning they can force pharmaceutical companies to drastically reduce their sale prices for a variety of medicines and vaccines, if those companies wish to be allowed to trade in the country's substantial, monopolized healthcare market.

Socialized medicine doesn't pay profit to shareholders, ergo it has absolutely nothing to gain by making sure everyone is vaccinated. For it costs the socialized system money to ensure thus. And yet, they do it anyway. Why? Because a healthy population is a productive population.

There is no conspiracy. We have scientific proof that vaccines do what they are intended to do. They are why smallpox doesn't exist in nature anymore.
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No one is saying that vaccines have been a huge and total failure. All anyone is saying, is that they should administered with informed consent. That all the information should be available and that people should be able to make an educated decision for themselves. Because there are risks both ways and some are greater than others.
 
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