Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.
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I doesnt really bother me if you call me a slander. I am here to please God, not you
Your words accuse you. Not me
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I don't earn my salvation. I trust in Jesus Christ to help me get Salvation.
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yə·šū·‘āh;
יְשׁוּעָ֑ה
Salvation [is]
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"I AM the way..." (Jesus said).
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1 John 5 -
9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater. For this is the testimony of God that He has testified concerning His Son. 10 The one believing in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one not believing God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning His Son.
11 And this is the testimony: that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 The one having the Son has life; the one not having the Son of God does not have life.
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I don't want to put emphasis on sin In this scenario because those who have this hope won't have a desire to sin but will seek to purify their bodies/minds to match the new creation they have become but sin Is not the Issue anymore but Faith Is the Issue now that JESUS brought Grace and truth ushering In the new covenant.
Got to say this is something. So an individual is a pharisee. They call themselves righteous, bear false witness,
never confess sin and judge others.
Here are 4 accusations.
1. Claim righteousness
2. Lie about others
3. Never admit sin
4. Judge others
This is quite a claim and accusation.
If the accuser here is constantly accusing others of things that are interpretive, they are the bearer of false
witnessing, in this case in particular. As this individual does this constantly, and yet does not admit this
sin, is guilty of not admitting sin. By coming with this list of accusations, and calling some a pharisee, in the
most derogatory way possible, is being judgemental.
Does the accuser claim to be able to judge from righteousness? My case would be how else could they
judge or else they are the sinner trying to judge others while under condemnation themselves.
Whichever way it goes, they sink their own boat so full of holes, it goes down without trace, lol.
never confess sin and judge others.
Here are 4 accusations.
1. Claim righteousness
2. Lie about others
3. Never admit sin
4. Judge others
This is quite a claim and accusation.
If the accuser here is constantly accusing others of things that are interpretive, they are the bearer of false
witnessing, in this case in particular. As this individual does this constantly, and yet does not admit this
sin, is guilty of not admitting sin. By coming with this list of accusations, and calling some a pharisee, in the
most derogatory way possible, is being judgemental.
Does the accuser claim to be able to judge from righteousness? My case would be how else could they
judge or else they are the sinner trying to judge others while under condemnation themselves.
Whichever way it goes, they sink their own boat so full of holes, it goes down without trace, lol.
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If there is a fornicating cheating unbeliever who becomes born again, those things you took pleasure in would now hurt you. You couldn't find peace or pleasure in those things and the Holy spirit would give you a new heart which desires to experience the righteousness of Christ.
Your progress will not save you but is a product of God working in you.
To have no chastening nor fruit would suggest God has not made you new or started in you.
To now be convicted of what you used to take pleasure in is not a work of yourself but first fruits of Gods works in you.
You would start as a sappling, then grow into tree with more fruit and more useful to Him who loved you first.
(all while reaping what you sow and enduring His just and perfect chastening)
You continue sinning often as it is, and only by God's mercy can you be born again. Made a son, and saved.
Example 1 :
A drunk and spiteful man hears the gospel (good news of the free gift) and sees "now I can drink and fight all I want im safe"
and sins as much as possible and takes joy in his new excuse
Example 2 :
A drunk and spiteful man hears the gospel (good news of the free gift) and sees "I am a sinner... how I live my life is awful.... God please help me I am sorry and wish to conform to your will"
and quits drinking 100% and holds no grudges what so ever
Example 3:
A drunk spiteful man hears the gospel (good news of the free gift) and sees "I am a sinner... how I live my life is awful.... God please help me"
and still drinks from time to time... and when he fails (where as before being made new drinking was not a failure to him) it convicts him and he wishes to improve.... has a temper but sees it as wrong and refrains from violence and tries to pray for patience and is quick to say sorry
example two and three no longer PRACTICE sin and have some fruit
but one... does not seem to be born again (made new)
and walks on willful sin with no chastening which is no better or worse than a self righteous person who places salvation on their own shoulders (also with no chastening for their sins which they are sometimes blind to)
example two is no more saved than example three... just more fruitful
praise God
also I wouldn't be surprised if number two faced many hardships number one was protected from in his slower walk
Your progress will not save you but is a product of God working in you.
To have no chastening nor fruit would suggest God has not made you new or started in you.
To now be convicted of what you used to take pleasure in is not a work of yourself but first fruits of Gods works in you.
You would start as a sappling, then grow into tree with more fruit and more useful to Him who loved you first.
(all while reaping what you sow and enduring His just and perfect chastening)
You continue sinning often as it is, and only by God's mercy can you be born again. Made a son, and saved.
Example 1 :
A drunk and spiteful man hears the gospel (good news of the free gift) and sees "now I can drink and fight all I want im safe"
and sins as much as possible and takes joy in his new excuse
Example 2 :
A drunk and spiteful man hears the gospel (good news of the free gift) and sees "I am a sinner... how I live my life is awful.... God please help me I am sorry and wish to conform to your will"
and quits drinking 100% and holds no grudges what so ever
Example 3:
A drunk spiteful man hears the gospel (good news of the free gift) and sees "I am a sinner... how I live my life is awful.... God please help me"
and still drinks from time to time... and when he fails (where as before being made new drinking was not a failure to him) it convicts him and he wishes to improve.... has a temper but sees it as wrong and refrains from violence and tries to pray for patience and is quick to say sorry
example two and three no longer PRACTICE sin and have some fruit
but one... does not seem to be born again (made new)
and walks on willful sin with no chastening which is no better or worse than a self righteous person who places salvation on their own shoulders (also with no chastening for their sins which they are sometimes blind to)
example two is no more saved than example three... just more fruitful
praise God
also I wouldn't be surprised if number two faced many hardships number one was protected from in his slower walk
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He is addicted to bashing others with a hammer of scriptures that he thinks make sense.
You feed his hamster wheel and it will never stop because he believes a sinner in Christ is
saved, and a worker of righteousness is a self justified hypocrite.
The rabbit hole is active faith is not possible, and sinners can never be cleansed. Once you
remove this from scripture he thinks if he bashes people enough, their sin will show and they
will admit a righteous walk of love is just impossible.
He is diligent though it is pointless, but if he stopped it would mean he is wrong. Oppss
You feed his hamster wheel and it will never stop because he believes a sinner in Christ is
saved, and a worker of righteousness is a self justified hypocrite.
The rabbit hole is active faith is not possible, and sinners can never be cleansed. Once you
remove this from scripture he thinks if he bashes people enough, their sin will show and they
will admit a righteous walk of love is just impossible.
He is diligent though it is pointless, but if he stopped it would mean he is wrong. Oppss
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We need to change our minds away from dead works towards Christ for salvation once.
Now if you want to change your mind about other things that is fine, I am only speaking about the point of salvation, when we are born from above.
As Paul states .. After starting in the Spirit, are you now finishing in the flesh?
Repentance for salvation is once.
Now if you want to change your mind about other things that is fine, I am only speaking about the point of salvation, when we are born from above.
As Paul states .. After starting in the Spirit, are you now finishing in the flesh?
Repentance for salvation is once.
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Job was righteous. Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Paul.
The righteous have always been by faith, walking in obedience.
Missing the mark is a term from target shooting with arrows.
You can both land short, long or to the sides.
Legalists are fascinated with goals and failure. They believe failure or
success is everything, rather than training, learning and skill is everything.
You will always fail until the day you succeed, but you never give up until
that day arrives or else you will never succeed.
This gospel they preach is we all fail so give up, Jesus hit all the marks so
we do not have to. It is just a pass or fail exam, He passed so we go free.
It sounds fair until you realise this is about us and how we walk everyday
in every situation in Jesus. All they have is passive faith and rest, which means
staying in sin, no repentance and total compromise.
The righteous have always been by faith, walking in obedience.
Missing the mark is a term from target shooting with arrows.
You can both land short, long or to the sides.
Legalists are fascinated with goals and failure. They believe failure or
success is everything, rather than training, learning and skill is everything.
You will always fail until the day you succeed, but you never give up until
that day arrives or else you will never succeed.
This gospel they preach is we all fail so give up, Jesus hit all the marks so
we do not have to. It is just a pass or fail exam, He passed so we go free.
It sounds fair until you realise this is about us and how we walk everyday
in every situation in Jesus. All they have is passive faith and rest, which means
staying in sin, no repentance and total compromise.
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john 8
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
(the legalists under the law call Jesus master though they do not know Him and tempt Him with this)
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
(those accusers knew in their heart they are just as guilty of sin as this woman)
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
(Jesus did not condemn her for He was her Lord, and gave proper chastening telling her to quit this sin she was caught in red handed)
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This verse has nothing to do with maintaining salvation through works.
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She was not saved through "quitting something" for the record.
She was saved by grace through faith.
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
(the legalists under the law call Jesus master though they do not know Him and tempt Him with this)
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
(those accusers knew in their heart they are just as guilty of sin as this woman)
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
(Jesus did not condemn her for He was her Lord, and gave proper chastening telling her to quit this sin she was caught in red handed)
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This verse has nothing to do with maintaining salvation through works.
🙂
She was not saved through "quitting something" for the record.
She was saved by grace through faith.
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