Didn’t God make all things Good?

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As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming;
Ephesians 4:14 NASB

The is is now blowing me away....lol.
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God Blessings to you all. đź‘‹
 
TheWind said:
I teach nothing. I refer to scripture. Please explain?
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Okay.... right "teach" was not a good choice, how about propose, advocate, suggest, postulate....

And you actually have not refered to scripture because if you did, you would not be advocating what you do.
 
UnderGrace said:
God would not act contrary to His character, this is foundational to any understanding of God.
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His character. ??? He compared himself to a lion. And an eagle. And so much more in parables and the creation ... what you see in the flesh is not Gods character. It’s who he is. ALL THINGS!!! Including the breath of life. The Truth. A creator. The Word. How do you know what form he comes. If he came as woman instead of man? Would you also not believe?? Lol. Or is that image a fasad too??
 
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UnderGrace said:
Okay.... right "teach" was not a good choice, how about propose, advocate, suggest, postulate....

And you actually have not refered to scripture because if you did, you would not be advocating what you do.
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Maybe I didn’t post one to you. But I did in many other posts. What exactly am I advocating that has everyone against me in the chat... ??? Did anyone stand up for Jesus when he was on the cross? Or did they all sit back and watch ?? Even Peter? Who Jesus also called Satan.. and that he would build his church there... is that false or true. I know scripture as well.. but you know it too. So why do I have to put the verse out plainly to prove you ?? Because your understanding is different than mine?? Or because your want proof. Why don’t you go back and read it again...
 
TheWind said:
His character. ??? He compared himself to a lion. And an eagle. And so much more in parables and the creation ... what you see in the flesh is not Gods character. It’s who he is. ALL THINGS!!! Including the breath of life. The Truth. A creator. The Word. How do you know what form he comes. If he came as woman instead of man? Would you also not believe?? Lol. Or is that image a fasad too??
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God is Truth and God is Love, first and foremost.

He does not play little mind games with His creation.
 
UnderGrace said:
God is Truth and God is Love, first and foremost.

He does not play little mind games with His creation.
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Mind games? Is that what knowledge is to you? Faith is a test everyday. To believe the good and not see evil. We fight with our own iniquities in our mind. And our souls. And that is why Jesus came.. And faith is the Gods dilemma. How we view God and his name. But it plays no effect in a famine. For We are saved by a great deliverance ... in the mind and heart. I never said God was playing a game? But rather that he had a purpose for their disobedience denial and deceit. Mind games are for men... God is after the heart.
 
TheWind said:
Mind games? Is that what knowledge is to you? Faith is a test everyday. To believe the good and not see evil. We fight with our own iniquities in our mind. And our souls. And that is why Jesus came.. And faith is the Gods dilemma. How we view God and his name. But it plays no effect in a famine. For We are saved by a great deliverance ... in the mind and heart. I never said God was playing a game? But rather that he had a purpose for their disobedience denial and deceit. Mind games are for men... God is after the heart.
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And the purpose was... you must surely have an answer?
 
UnderGrace said:
And the purpose was... you must surely have an answer?
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Was God to dwell amongst us? Does a Word not become a sentence .. then a paragraph.. and then a story.. and then living. Knowledge increases exponentially... and therefore God is that too... What else would be the purpose of God. But For joy and peace on Earth... But men fight themselves. And believe Not that God Loves. And walk not by faith, but by sight... (As I am guilty of in my past ignorance) And men love their own lives more... For they have not a will to serve. But their will is for themselves. And Christ’s death was for everyone. And he died on the cross alone.. for the sins of the world which was and which was to come... because NO other man was willing to pay for the curse in the garden... and because he bore the shame.. He shall bear the Name!!!

In case you didn’t know the father had a name???
Well. The father our precious Jesus Christ worshipped .. after all. He said he comes by that name. And that is who he praised!

https://www.asnakeinthegarden.com/
 
TheWind said:
Was God to dwell amongst us? Does a Word not become a sentence .. then a paragraph.. and then a story.. and then living. Knowledge increases exponentially... and therefore God is that too... What else would be the purpose of God. But For joy and peace on Earth... But men fight themselves. And believe Not that God Loves. And walk not by faith, but by sight... (As I am guilty of in my past ignorance) And men love their own lives more... For they have not a will to serve. But their will is for themselves. And Christ’s death was for everyone. And he died on the cross alone.. for the sins of the world which was and which was to come... because NO other man was willing to pay for the curse in the garden... and because he bore the shame.. He shall bear the Name!!!

In case you didn’t know the father had a name???
Well. The father our precious Jesus Christ worshipped .. after all. He said he comes by that name. And that is who he praised!

https://www.asnakeinthegarden.com/
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There was already joy and peace on earth prior to the fall, so you have not really answered the question.
 
TheWind said:
You know more about Gnosticism than me. And brought it into the conversation.. regardless. Threat or warning. I did nothing wrong. Nor did I say anything that was a lie.
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So, perhaps when I and others tell you that your statement, "The flesh is filthy" is gnostic and garbage, you might be inclined to pay attention and seek to learn what you don't know rather than to claim innocence.
 
UnderGrace said:
There was already joy and peace on earth prior to the fall, so you have not really answered the question.
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There was? What gave you that impression? Did God say that or you?? Was God with them on Earth or still in heaven ?? Since you know
 
Sigh, let it be said, from me...

it is not you, in particular, that I stand against, I love you. I am sure there are many on CC with your particular ponderings. You bring to my remembrance that just because my speculations seem plausible to my limited perceptions, does NOT mean that it is true or worthy of continued thought.


What I do NOT stand with are speculations that God's plan is being minimalized to mere scheming and trickary. He, His plan and will are Holy!!!

May we all focus on...

He is the way, the truth, and the light, that the way to the Father is through Him. It is Him we are to seek first and foremost.

Well, I will quit saying goodbye but If I know what's good for me, I'll keep moving FORWARD
 
Dino246 said:
So, perhaps when I and others tell you that your statement, "The flesh is filthy" is gnostic and garbage, you might be inclined to pay attention and seek to learn what you don't know rather than to claim innocence.
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Is not our flesh as filth of the dirt.
1 Peter 3:21 and so many more in proverbs. Isaiah and more talking about our flesh being as filthy dirt.
I will be stepping away from this chat for now.. my kids and I have plans. Thanks for Good conversation... all for the purpose of Gods Holy name... Talk to ya later!!!
 
TheWind said:
Is not our flesh as filth of the dirt.
1 Peter 3:21 and so many more in proverbs. Isaiah and more talking about our flesh being as filthy dirt.
I will be stepping away from this chat for now.. my kids and I have plans. Thanks for Good conversation... all for the purpose of Gods Holy name... Talk to ya later!!!
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Enjoy your time with your kids. :)

When you return, ponder the fact that gnostics taught that flesh was unclean and only spirit was worthy; that led them to believe that any physical activity was irrelevant, so they practiced many forms of sexual perversion. It may not have been your intent to espouse that belief. Your reference to 1 Peter 3:21 has nothing to do with flesh being filthy in a spiritual sense, but only in a literal physical sense. He is saying that the purpose of baptism is not physical washing.
 
TheWind said:
How funny... did we forget God said the creepy crawly things were good too?.. besides snakes keep a garden clean. And organized from the critters that harm the seeds and plants... A fine balance in nature....and Moses himself: took the Rod in his hand and cast it on the ground and it became a snake... and then a rod again in his hand.
Nothing was made bad... except a man in his loneliness, But even that was capacity for what God is going to do...,
I know many people today who chase money... and many people today who chase the people that have money ...and do what they do.. they are called idols and idolaters...
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Are you confusing snakes with worms. In my country there are no snakes.
 
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