If Perchance Catholicism Is Mistaken
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Was pope speaking ex cathedra
ex ca·the·dra
/ˌeks kəˈTHēdrə/
adverb & adjective
adverb: ex cathedra; adjective: ex cathedra
with the full authority of office (especially of the Pope's infallibility as defined in Roman Catholic doctrine).
"for an encyclical to be infallible the Pope must speak ex cathedra"
I think so, he is legal Pope. And speak as pope
ex ca·the·dra
/ˌeks kəˈTHēdrə/
adverb & adjective
adverb: ex cathedra; adjective: ex cathedra
with the full authority of office (especially of the Pope's infallibility as defined in Roman Catholic doctrine).
"for an encyclical to be infallible the Pope must speak ex cathedra"
I think so, he is legal Pope. And speak as pope
I don't know about the specific situation of the girl in the video.
But no, I disagree that the Muslim God, in the sense that Muslims strive to worship the one true God, told mohammad that Jesus is not God.
It's possible to want to serve the one true universal God, and be mistaken about some things. This is the situation that the Jews are in. They want to worship the one true God, but they are mistaken in that they think Jesus was not sent from God.
So also Muslims say they want to worship the one true God. That's a good start, but they are mistaken, Muhammad is not the one true God's prophet.
But no, I disagree that the Muslim God, in the sense that Muslims strive to worship the one true God, told mohammad that Jesus is not God.
It's possible to want to serve the one true universal God, and be mistaken about some things. This is the situation that the Jews are in. They want to worship the one true God, but they are mistaken in that they think Jesus was not sent from God.
So also Muslims say they want to worship the one true God. That's a good start, but they are mistaken, Muhammad is not the one true God's prophet.
I agree that Jesus will not say that he is The God who allegedly sent Muhammad.
but I don't think that a person who was seeking God but has never heard the gospel would have the story of Jesus miraculously revealed to them. It's possible, yes, but I think it almost always requires a human preacher to go and take the message.
Romans 10: 14. How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in him whom they have not heard? How will they hear without a preacher?
So like we talked about above, if you are Indonesian, you will call God Allah. it doesn't mean you believe the same things about God as everyone else who calls God Allah.
If you were Lakota maybe a thousand years ago, you would probably call God "great mysterious". If you earnestly sought him, I believe he would begin to reveal to you more of his character and will. But the specifics of the Gospel? How a messiah named Jesus who was born a thousand years earlier to the tribe of Judah and was executed but then came back to life 3 days later? I don't think God would reveal that to you.
but I don't think that a person who was seeking God but has never heard the gospel would have the story of Jesus miraculously revealed to them. It's possible, yes, but I think it almost always requires a human preacher to go and take the message.
Romans 10: 14. How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in him whom they have not heard? How will they hear without a preacher?
So like we talked about above, if you are Indonesian, you will call God Allah. it doesn't mean you believe the same things about God as everyone else who calls God Allah.
If you were Lakota maybe a thousand years ago, you would probably call God "great mysterious". If you earnestly sought him, I believe he would begin to reveal to you more of his character and will. But the specifics of the Gospel? How a messiah named Jesus who was born a thousand years earlier to the tribe of Judah and was executed but then came back to life 3 days later? I don't think God would reveal that to you.
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Well I think the Catholic view would be that the church is the body of Christ, made up of humans with Christ at the head. The church as the body of Christ is divinely led by the holy Spirit.
So then, I think, Catholics would say that God preserves the body of Christ, the church. The Bible is produced by the body of Christ as it is led by the holy Spirit. And because the body of Christ produced the Bible, it can only be properly interpreted by the body of Christ, the church.
So then, I think, Catholics would say that God preserves the body of Christ, the church. The Bible is produced by the body of Christ as it is led by the holy Spirit. And because the body of Christ produced the Bible, it can only be properly interpreted by the body of Christ, the church.
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No, it is not delusional, I simply stated what different groups believe.
Earlier, I have talked about what different groups assume.
I agree that there are problems with simply assuming that the Catholic Church is the primary means by which God communicates his truth to the world.
Similarly, though, I think there are also issues with simply assuming that the Bible is the primary means by which God communicates his truth to the world. An easy one to talk about is canonicity. Why does a person pick that particular list of books to call the Bible, unless at some point they appeal to tradition?
Earlier, I have talked about what different groups assume.
I agree that there are problems with simply assuming that the Catholic Church is the primary means by which God communicates his truth to the world.
Similarly, though, I think there are also issues with simply assuming that the Bible is the primary means by which God communicates his truth to the world. An easy one to talk about is canonicity. Why does a person pick that particular list of books to call the Bible, unless at some point they appeal to tradition?
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Yes, absolutely God alone decides.
But one ought to understand there is an "alliance of the Hearts of Jesus and Mary".
The Alliance of the Hearts of Jesus and Mary is based on the historical, theological, and spiritual links in Catholic devotions between the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
In the 1956 encyclical Haurietis aquas, Pope Pius XII encouraged the joint devotion to the hearts. In the 1979 encyclical Redemptor hominis, Pope John Paul II explained the theme of unity of Mary's Immaculate Heart with the Sacred Heart. In his Angelus address on 15 September 1985, John Paul II coined the term The Alliance of the Hearts of Jesus and Mary.
So it sounds to me that if you pray to one, you are praying to both.
But one ought to understand there is an "alliance of the Hearts of Jesus and Mary".
The Alliance of the Hearts of Jesus and Mary is based on the historical, theological, and spiritual links in Catholic devotions between the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
In the 1956 encyclical Haurietis aquas, Pope Pius XII encouraged the joint devotion to the hearts. In the 1979 encyclical Redemptor hominis, Pope John Paul II explained the theme of unity of Mary's Immaculate Heart with the Sacred Heart. In his Angelus address on 15 September 1985, John Paul II coined the term The Alliance of the Hearts of Jesus and Mary.
So it sounds to me that if you pray to one, you are praying to both.
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I sincerely believe that Jesus Christ is a man of integrity who would never
knowingly mislead people. In point of fact, I'm convinced that that
everything he taught originated with God, whom I also sincerely believe to
be a person of integrity who would never knowingly mislead people.
● John 3:34 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's
Spirit is upon him without measure or limit
● John 8:26 . .He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things
which I have heard of Him.
● John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things as
the Father taught me.
● John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Jesus, speaking for God, instructed a Samarian woman that she could obtain
a living water merely by asking him for it. I've done that; but I don't know
whether my deceased brother ever did.
Jesus, yet speaking for God, instructed his countrymen that whoever
believes in him would be given to drink of the Spirit within the very core of
their being if all they did was approach him for it. I've done that too; but
again, I don't know if my deceased brother ever did.
So if John 4:10-14 is true and reliable, and if John 7:37-39 is true and
reliable; then I have successfully obtained the living water, and I have also
successfully obtained the Spirit within the very core of my being.
The living water and the Spirit, are essential components of my baptism into
Jesus' body.
● 1Cor 12:13 . .We were all baptized by one Spirit into one body-- whether
Jews or Greeks, slave or free --and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
The awful irony of the standard Christian baptism is that not everyone who
undergoes it will make it to safety when they pass on; and that's because
they failed to obtain the Spirit and the living water about which Jesus spoke
in John 4:10-14 and John 7:37-39.
NOTE: It's risky to depend upon the standard Christian baptism for obtaining
the Spirit and the living water; no, play it safe and do as I have done: speak
up for them as Jesus instructed and get the water and the Spirit locked in.
● John 6:37 . . Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I
will not reject anyone who comes to me
● Rom 10:13 . . Everyone who calls on the name of The Lord will be saved.
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I sincerely believe that Jesus Christ is a man of integrity who would never
knowingly mislead people. In point of fact, I'm convinced that that
everything he taught originated with God, whom I also sincerely believe to
be a person of integrity who would never knowingly mislead people.
● John 3:34 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's
Spirit is upon him without measure or limit
● John 8:26 . .He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things
which I have heard of Him.
● John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things as
the Father taught me.
● John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Jesus, speaking for God, instructed a Samarian woman that she could obtain
a living water merely by asking him for it. I've done that; but I don't know
whether my deceased brother ever did.
Jesus, yet speaking for God, instructed his countrymen that whoever
believes in him would be given to drink of the Spirit within the very core of
their being if all they did was approach him for it. I've done that too; but
again, I don't know if my deceased brother ever did.
So if John 4:10-14 is true and reliable, and if John 7:37-39 is true and
reliable; then I have successfully obtained the living water, and I have also
successfully obtained the Spirit within the very core of my being.
The living water and the Spirit, are essential components of my baptism into
Jesus' body.
● 1Cor 12:13 . .We were all baptized by one Spirit into one body-- whether
Jews or Greeks, slave or free --and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
The awful irony of the standard Christian baptism is that not everyone who
undergoes it will make it to safety when they pass on; and that's because
they failed to obtain the Spirit and the living water about which Jesus spoke
in John 4:10-14 and John 7:37-39.
NOTE: It's risky to depend upon the standard Christian baptism for obtaining
the Spirit and the living water; no, play it safe and do as I have done: speak
up for them as Jesus instructed and get the water and the Spirit locked in.
● John 6:37 . . Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I
will not reject anyone who comes to me
● Rom 10:13 . . Everyone who calls on the name of The Lord will be saved.
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God can use human or appear to that person. If you speak Indonesian, I can show you a youtube, where a girl, her name is dini. She was in depress and ask the real God to show himself or she kill herself, Jesus appear to her and she Convert
Why I believe she not Lie?
In some muslim family like her family Convert to Christian mean disown by her family, you not welcome to stay at your parent house. Why she pretending ?
My ex neighbors now in the prison, he was Convert start with dream see Jesus.
He go to prison not because he Convert, but after he Convert he witness to taxi driver, behind him was new Convert, she make video so she can share to her muslim friend, to Convert her, but her muslim friend send to other finally to the police.
I understand It is not happen every time, most of the time God use human preacher
Why I believe she not Lie?
In some muslim family like her family Convert to Christian mean disown by her family, you not welcome to stay at your parent house. Why she pretending ?
My ex neighbors now in the prison, he was Convert start with dream see Jesus.
He go to prison not because he Convert, but after he Convert he witness to taxi driver, behind him was new Convert, she make video so she can share to her muslim friend, to Convert her, but her muslim friend send to other finally to the police.
I understand It is not happen every time, most of the time God use human preacher
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This entire discussion has lead to the real question stated here by tourist. Not necessarily if there is any denomination that has any real Christians, but is there a denomination that is actually teaching the teachings of Christ without adding the teachings of man? In my search, I haven't found even one. That said then the question as to whether there is a denomination that has any real Christians, I would say that will depend on how much God takes into account one's faith that may be basedd on the teachings of a denomination that has led them astray on certain issues. While I do believe that certain denominations are closer than others to God's will, I think it's a question that we'll not know the answer to until God reveals it at His appointed time, so all we can do is live our lives according to the teachings of Christ and do our best to share those teachings with others.
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According to Jesus' statements at John 3:3-8, it's necessary for people to
undergo a birth by water and by the Spirit in order to enter and/or see the
kingdom of God.
Well; if perchance my deceased brother somehow failed to obtain the water
Jesus spoke about to the Samarian women in John 4:10-14, and the Spirit
that he spoke of to his countrymen in John 7:37-39, then I would have to
conclude that my brother didn't make it to safety when he passed away even
after 53 years of life on earth as a Priest/Friar because to my knowledge,
there no exceptions to the rule.
FYI: Newcomers to the thread curious about my deceased brother can find
some information about him back at the very beginning in post No.1
Information related to the water and the Spirit can be found in post No.69
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According to Jesus' statements at John 3:3-8, it's necessary for people to
undergo a birth by water and by the Spirit in order to enter and/or see the
kingdom of God.
Well; if perchance my deceased brother somehow failed to obtain the water
Jesus spoke about to the Samarian women in John 4:10-14, and the Spirit
that he spoke of to his countrymen in John 7:37-39, then I would have to
conclude that my brother didn't make it to safety when he passed away even
after 53 years of life on earth as a Priest/Friar because to my knowledge,
there no exceptions to the rule.
FYI: Newcomers to the thread curious about my deceased brother can find
some information about him back at the very beginning in post No.1
Information related to the water and the Spirit can be found in post No.69
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The primary thing which God looks for is faith in Christ ALONE and in His finished work of redemption. This includes believing that Jesus is the "I AM" -- the Almighty God, since only God as sinless Man could die for the sins of the whole world.
At the same time, God commands all men everywhere to repent, which means that genuine repentance must be seen by God. And this leads to the New Birth.
Regardless of denomination, there are born again Christians in almost every denomination, and only God knows who they are. At the same time, those who have been saved are required to come out of false Christianity.
At the same time, God commands all men everywhere to repent, which means that genuine repentance must be seen by God. And this leads to the New Birth.
Regardless of denomination, there are born again Christians in almost every denomination, and only God knows who they are. At the same time, those who have been saved are required to come out of false Christianity.
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God knows his heart 
http://www.embracinghome.com/difference-religion-relationship-god/ your welcome, it explains it all
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I believe they do talk about people who haven't heard about Jesus.
An earlier quote from Lumen gentium
"At all times and in every race God has given welcome to whosoever fears Him and does what is right."
Then it goes on
"Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God."
First they talk about Jews. Then they go on to talk about Muslims. I believe they mentioned Jews and Muslims specifically, because both groups worship, or say that they want to worship, the one true universal God.
Then it goes on to talk about those that Paul says worship the unknown God.
"Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things, and as Saviour wills that all men be saved. Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life.(16)"
To me that's pretty clear, and it's not really any different from what Peter says and Acts chapter 10 and Paul says in Romans chapter 1 and acts chapter 17
An earlier quote from Lumen gentium
"At all times and in every race God has given welcome to whosoever fears Him and does what is right."
Then it goes on
"Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God."
First they talk about Jews. Then they go on to talk about Muslims. I believe they mentioned Jews and Muslims specifically, because both groups worship, or say that they want to worship, the one true universal God.
Then it goes on to talk about those that Paul says worship the unknown God.
"Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things, and as Saviour wills that all men be saved. Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life.(16)"
To me that's pretty clear, and it's not really any different from what Peter says and Acts chapter 10 and Paul says in Romans chapter 1 and acts chapter 17