Abomination of Desolation

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Hevosmies

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Forgiveness never comes in respect to pagan temples made with human hands .God is not served in any shape or form by human hands .

Even the Son of man Jesus refused to stand in the unseen Holy place of the father as a abomination of desolation

Matthew 19:17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Luke 18:19And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God
Dont you believe Jesus is God? OY VEY!

What about John 1:1?
 
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So when are you thinking the 70 weeks ended then?
It ended on the day of Pentecost.
While it may not be directly stated as "annihilation" I think to "finish the transgression" is directly related to the final demise of apostate Israel in the war of AD 66-70 AD who were transgressing the Law which included persecution of the 1st century church.
Transgression means sin, not wrath or punishment... People are punished for transgressions. Finish the transgression means to finish killing all the prophets with Jesus being "That Prophet", or the final prophet.
Also you need to factor in the passing of the OT and the temple representing the things that could be shaken with the things that cannot be shaken:

(Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.)

This is part of the 70 weeks. The bringing in of everlasting righteousness was only fully completed when the righteousness according to the Law was destroyed when the old covenant finally waxed old and became obsolete in it's vanishing away:

(Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away).

The shaking of the old was still to come when Hebrews was written and is related to the destruction of the temple/law system in the AD 66 war.
I see your point on this part because of the language, but that's not enough to override all the other things that point to the 70 weeks being completed when Jesus sat on the throne of glory. Besides that, we know that the verses below started immediately while Christ was still alive or at the very least, right after his resurrection. I mean think about Paul's conversion. People didn't have to wait until 70 AD to become Christians.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
 
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It ended on the day of Pentecost.
We don't agree here K16.

What needs to be considered is the type and antitype of Christ's sacrifice in regards to the Day of Atonement sacrifice/ceremony. The high priest would enter the Holy of Holies with the blood, offer the blood and then RETURN to declare the acceptance of the sacrifice to the people.

The cross was the start of the Day of Atonement antitype, but it was not complete until Christ returned to the people. This is why the letter to Hebrews goes into a such complex explanation. But look at what it says was yet to be completed:

(Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.)

The return in and around the end of the 66 AD war completes the antitype. This is the end of the 70 weeks.

Transgression means sin, not wrath or punishment... People are punished for transgressions. Finish the transgression means to finish killing all the prophets with Jesus being "That Prophet", or the final prophet.
Transgression is a breaking of law, the result of which is called a "sin" or "sinning" I never said it was wrath or punishment.

I see your point on this part because of the language, but that's not enough to override all the other things that point to the 70 weeks being completed when Jesus sat on the throne of glory. Besides that, we know that the verses below started immediately while Christ was still alive or at the very least, right after his resurrection. I mean think about Paul's conversion. People didn't have to wait until 70 AD to become Christians.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
I think this is answered with the Day of Atonement explanation I gave,
 
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While it may not be directly stated as "annihilation" I think to "finish the transgression" is directly related to the final demise of apostate Israel in the war of AD 66-70 AD who were transgressing the Law which included persecution of the 1st century church.

I would think to "finish the transgression" would be that of the apsote jewish elders as fathers that demanded they have a temples and occupy it with a King as the amonation of desolation .He told Samael its not you they are rejecting as King but me rejecting the idea of a invisable God as King of kings .

An authority as a figure seen made with human hands , When he said it is finished the veil was rent .The Holy place of faith the unseen place as the presence of God was opened old testament saints entered in. The time of reformation came restoring the government back to the period of Judges .No temple made with human hands no kings in Israel.

Like in Mathew 24 when Christ left the temple it was a sign of restoring the high mountain to symbolize that the kingdoms or denominations sect of this world will become his in the kingdom to come.

Similar to the parable of Samson. Same hill Jesus found himself after departing from the temple.

Judges 16:2And it was told the Gazites, saying, Samson is come hither. And they compassed him in, and laid wait for him all night in the gate of the city, and were quiet all the night, saying, In the morning, when it is day, we shall kill him.
And Samson lay till midnight, and arose at midnight, and took the doors of the gate of the city, and the two posts, and went away with them, bar and all, and put them upon his shoulders, and carried them up to the top of an hill that is before Hebron.


Matthew 24 King James Version (KJV) And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

No sign as a wonder was given .
 
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Just a further thought here.

The Day of Atonement was the 6th feast in the festal calendar, the 7th and last is the feast of Tabernacles. Look what John declares after the destruction of the city/temple in the war of AD 66:

(Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God)
 
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I asked you where Gabriel answered Daniel's prayer. Why are you going off on a tangent about Israel will no longer be in sin. Daniel 9 has nothing whatsoever to do with that.

Just don't worry about it EG, you and I are miles apart on this.
Its ok, we know you cant read

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Next...
 
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Just a further thought here.

The Day of Atonement was the 6th feast in the festal calendar, the 7th and last is the feast of Tabernacles. Look what John declares after the destruction of the city/temple in the war of AD 66:

(Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God)
When did that happen? The tabernacle of God is with men.
 
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Its ok, we know you cant read

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Next...
Is that supposed to be the answer to Daniels prayer?
 
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Is that supposed to be the answer to Daniels prayer?
What else would it be

Daniel prayed about his people and his holy city,

The answer was concerning daniels people and holy city

Stop making it so complicated when it is not
 
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What else would it be

Daniel prayed about his people and his holy city,

The answer was concerning daniels people and holy city

Stop making it so complicated when it is not
70 weeks is determined upon thy people THEN THOU ART DONE. I’m going to take the kingdom of God from you, I’m going to destroy you miserable sinners. I’m going to rip the babies out of your mothers wombs.

How in the world could that be an answer to Daniels prayer?
 
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70 weeks is determined upon thy people THEN THOU ART DONE. I’m going to take the kingdom of God from you, I’m going to destroy you miserable sinners. I’m going to rip the babies out of your mothers wombs.

How in the world could that be an answer to Daniels prayer?
Now this is adding to the word of god

It does not say this

Make and end of sin, finish the trangression

Means the people will tepent, they will have finished their transgressions against god


Like i said, you make me laugh
 
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Now this is adding to the word of god

It does not say this

Make and end of sin, finish the trangression

Means the people will tepent, they will have finished their transgressions against god

Like i said, you make me laugh
I’m glad I can give you a good laugh.
 

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Good day Iamsoandso,

And I would add, that the setting up of their ensigns and Titus as emperor could not be referring to the AOD and that because in Matt.24:15, Jesus referred to as a future event saying "when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel." Therefore, the setting up of the AOD would be an event that would have had to have taken place after Jesus said it and before the temple was destroyed, which has not yet taken place.

The tribulation period is going to be unrivaled to any event that has ever taken place on the earth. For those who are preterists, this would include the destruction of temple and Jerusalem.

The antichrist will be revealed when he establishes that seven year covenant with Israel which will allow them to build their temple, with the AOD being set up in the middle of the that seven years, at the end of which Jesus will return to the earth to end the age and establish His kingdom.
"The antichrist will be revealed when he establishes that seven year covenant with Israel "

That is a ctitical question....when the AC will be revealed. I also take it as when the 7 year covenant is brokered. This concatenates with the book of Revelation and other passages in Daniel. Really its the only choice.
 
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When did that happen? The tabernacle of God is with men.
John tells us when, after the judgment of the whore/Jerusalem aka the whore.

Daniel said 70 weeks to seal up vision and prophecy:

H2856 chatham khaw-tham'

a primitive root;

to close up; especially to seal.

KJV: make an end, mark, seal (up), stop.

Jesus himself said in the days of vengeance all prophecy would be fulfilled:

(Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh)

(Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.)

(Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.)

Jesus quoted Daniel and stated that the abomination would happen in the days of that generation, therefore the abomination prophecy was part of his 70 weeks.

(Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

(Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.)

The above tells us the abomination would occur when Jerusalem was compassed with armies, the events of Matt and Luke are about that generation.

The Greek for desolation is the same word used in Matt and Luke.
 

iamsoandso

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In my opinion regeneration and restoration mean the same thing but there is a period of time in the bible that is called the regeneration.

The regeneration happens when Jesus sits on his throne of glory. At that time, we are cleansed by the washing of regeneration, which is to say, by the washing of the word of God. We are in the regeneration right now.

Basically this is just another example showing that Christ has already came in his power and glory and is sitting on the throne of glory.

lol, I thought you saw them as if they held the same meaning from some of your prior statements. Here are their Greek definition and usage https://biblehub.com/greek/600.htm https://biblehub.com/greek/3824.htm

There is a different word used in Acts 3:21 making it a noun instead of a verb https://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/3-21.htm
https://biblehub.com/greek/605.htm (See Hosea 5:15) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hosea+5&version=KJV . And then Acts 1:6(Strongs 600,verb) to compare the differencesit's , One means a rebirth,regenerate ect. and the other is to restore something to it's orriginal condition/state.

I apologize for the delay in response it's been busy,lol
 
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"The antichrist will be revealed when he establishes that seven year covenant with Israel "

That is a ctitical question....when the AC will be revealed. I also take it as when the 7 year covenant is brokered. This concatenates with the book of Revelation and other passages in Daniel. Really its the only choice.

There are many anti-christs.Those who say we need a man seen to teach us. He has been revealed by his descriptions .
 

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There are many anti-christs.Those who say we need a man seen to teach us. He has been revealed by his descriptions .

I think the one who kills those who dont worship the image(Revelation 13:15) because they don't worship him and die spiritually so they are killed literally,physically,carnally.
 
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Dont you believe Jesus is God? OY VEY!

What about John 1:1?
God is not a man as us. He is the Creator not a creation .And neither is there a fleshly mediator that could stand between God and man as a infallible umpire. ( abomination of desolation )

For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us (God and Man) both.Job:32-33
 

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"The antichrist will be revealed when he establishes that seven year covenant with Israel "

That is a ctitical question....when the AC will be revealed. I also take it as when the 7 year covenant is brokered. This concatenates with the book of Revelation and other passages in Daniel. Really its the only choice.
concatenate: link/unite (things) together in a chain or series.

I learned a new word today :D Thank you :)
 

iamsoandso

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And the link in the covenant will be worship the image and live,take the mark and buy and sell...Go to those who sell oil(since you have none) and Babylon is who trades in all the merchandise,,,