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"you shall know them by their fruit."
Is that all you have.....I will up the ante.....By their words<-- Jesus said ...and your words belie the fact that you do not know Jesus.....see how the many group works out for you in that day...BUT LORD, LORD HAVE I NOT DONE BLAH BLAH BLAH.....that will be you pal!
 
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Wonderful, @JadenS!

What are your thoughts about the following, do you agree or disagree?


Our good works to earn or maintain our salvation are filthy rags.

However, after receiving Salvation through Yeshua/Jesus Christ, we are created unto good works IN Christ Jesus...... which means we will desire to do good works BUT, NOT for salvation or maintaining salvation...the good works we do now are for the Kingdom of God...

preach the gospel, baptizing in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, telling others about God’s grace, forgiveness; healing the sick, defending the oppressed, feeding the hungry....

We’ll be judged for theses works before the Judgment Seat of Christ- the sheep on the right and the goats on the left.

There are rewards in Heaven for these good works BUT, these works are NOT earning or maintaining salvation.
I believe all Bible scriptures.
 
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Didn't see this last night. Rises well above heresy sir!

THIS, is the very definition of blasphemy. Not my site, but if it were, this would be a bannable offense.

Michael Biggs claims here that these "elect" will be equal to God and say to the "nations" they ARE God!!!

Just awful!
I agree...numerous things worthy of going bye bye.......
 
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That loser just wants to be the "I AM" one day to the nations to boast of himself persevering. What a spiritual bum.

We know who it was that wanted to be like the Most High.
Yep....One group in particular.....they peddle being their own little god, peddle works and got it all from a man that talked with an angel called Moron(i)......!
 
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Nothing wrong with that. But remember that a sandwich aint gonna help no one in hell. So we need to preach the Gospel as well

That is often overlooked by the 'social gospel' advocates, not saying you have, but many have indeed.
Maybe he should give out bottles of water?
 
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Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.
 

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Wonderful, @JadenS!

What are your thoughts about the following, do you agree or disagree?


Our good works to earn or maintain our salvation are filthy rags.

However, after receiving Salvation through Yeshua/Jesus Christ, we are created unto good works IN Christ Jesus...... which means we will desire to do good works BUT, NOT for salvation or maintaining salvation...the good works we do now are for the Kingdom of God...

preach the gospel, baptizing in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, telling others about God’s grace, forgiveness; healing the sick, defending the oppressed, feeding the hungry....

We’ll be judged for theses works before the Judgment Seat of Christ- the sheep on the right and the goats on the left.

There are rewards in Heaven for these good works BUT, these works are NOT earning or maintaining salvation.
Speaking for myself... None of what is quoted above is Bible. Not a single sentence.

Oh, it's preached from many a pulpit Sunday mornings, but it's just not in the Scripture.

“I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran.
I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
22 But if they had stood in My counsel,
And had caused My people to hear My words,
Then they would have turned them from their evil way

And from the evil of their doings. "
- Jer 23:21-22

Such preaching such fluffy messages that do nothing to "turn people from their sins" will find themselves wanting in that Day.
For their "ear-tickling" sermons brought only darkness instead to Light and salvation.

"My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment." - James 3:1
 
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As you know, we count as blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.
 
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Son, the fruit of your "salvation" is evident once again. And it will "not inherit the Kingdom of God."

"A servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the Truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will. " - 2Tim 2:24-26

May God grant you repentance, that you may come to know the Truth.

I was once like you, many many years ago. As you, I thought I was something special, and voiced my ignorant opinion, often making a fool of myself. But then the Lord got a hold of me; I "came to my senses" (as the prodigal son); and I repented (changed my behavior) and He has been revealing Truth to me ever since. As a "servant of the Lord" now, He has given me the gift of teaching, and as I continually "deny myself, pick up my cross daily and follow Him", and "put away childish things" (such as envy, mockery and bullying) He continues to unveil His great plan and purpose for Creation.

"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things." - 1Cor 13:11

It's time, son. Put away those childish attitudes. You will be blessed more than you can possibly know.
I am not your son pal.......do not address me as such.....and make no mistake, you are about as anti truth as they come.....wrap your head around that truth.....get right before you crack your knees before GOD <--HIS NAME IS JESUS
 
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and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness;
 
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I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.
 
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I know your deeds, your love and faith, your service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first.
 

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Revelation 2:4-5 King James Version (KJV)

4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.



Here we have some sampling of the word ‘repent’ and ‘do’ the first works.

Yes, the connection of the word remember is of the mind and not a place or position such as ‘turning away’. Speaking then of sin repentance is about a change of our mind rather than changes in the position that would require action or something for us to do which is the result. So, the bible is very clear in the passage, it has to differentiate repentance (change of mind) against doing something (do the first works).

In another instance,

Rev. 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Rev. 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

The word ‘repent’ connotes the word mind, in here, the reins are used figuratively as the inmost thoughts and the heart is used as the fountain and seat of the thoughts, passions, desires, etc. thus turning away from sin falls short to the intended meaning of the word repent. Obviously, turning away is the result, the Bible says “and (indicating an additive) to repentance which is the works you do.



I would bet you would come to understand or realize by now what repentance means.
Thanks for your reply. However, as I've shared several times here, and been teaching at churches and Bible studies for years... Repentance, at least according to the Scripture, requires a "change of action", a "turning from sin."

So many have been taught only the modern watered down English definition of the word "repent", and miss the full meaning of this necessary aspect of our salvation.

Knowing even a little about the Greek and Hebrew; and having close older friends who were actually born and raised in Greece and Israel, who know the languages; and finally having the Holy Spirit to guide me into all Truth; I have come to understand very clearly what "repentance" means. :)

Did a pretty in-depth series on Repentance last year, in which we set aside tradition and carnal understanding, and look at what God means when He says "Repent." - Repentance (part 3)

:)
 

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I am not your son pal.......do not address me as such.....and make no mistake, you are about as anti truth as they come.....wrap your head around that truth.....get right before you crack your knees before GOD <--HIS NAME IS JESUS
"Cease listening to instruction, my son,
And you will stray from the words of knowledge."

- Prov 19:27

I speak as an elder, and a teacher of God's Word.

If you were my son, you wouldn't be allowed to disrespect others as you do. And that's a fact.
 

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When was the last time you watched a hollywood movie or TV show? Im willing to bet that if I observed you for one day, that "deny myself" gimmick would fall apart quicker than your IKEA doityourself plan of salvation.

Again you do the SAME THING as before, every verse is about salvation with you guys, so because it says a servant of the Lord must not querrel but be gentle to all, this automatically means if someone isnt doing this they arent saved? You wanna talk about a weird interpretation. This is written to Timothy to begin with, and Timothy was in the ministry, JOE SHMOE probably is not in the ministry, he works as a plumber.
I actually haven't had TV or Cable in my home for over 15 years now! :)

And the last movie I went to see was "Courageous" by the Kendrick brothers.
 

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Didn't see this last night. Rises well above heresy sir!

THIS, is the very definition of blasphemy. Not my site, but if it were, this would be a bannable offense.

Michael Biggs claims here that these "elect" will be equal to God and say to the "nations" they ARE God!!!

Just awful!
Your response makes the Scripture True -

‘Seeing they may see and not perceive,
And hearing they may hear and not understand;
Lest they should turn,

And their sins be forgiven them.’ ”
- Mark 4:12
 

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"Cease listening to instruction, my son,
And you will stray from the words of knowledge."

- Prov 19:27

I speak as an elder, and a teacher of God's Word.

If you were my son, you wouldn't be allowed to disrespect others as you do. And that's a fact.
Who made YOU an elder and a teacher that has ANY authority at all?