Not By Works

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Melach

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dcontroversal said:
I don't.............they have pictures from the 40's here in AU where it is drier than now...........

The planet regularly goes through cycles of heat and cold, primarily based upon the activities of the SUN.......and if anything, HUMANITY is influencing the weather through clear cutting rain forests, building cities out of concrete and asphalt, HAARP, seeding the clouds with barium and aluminium oxide in chemtrails to bio-engineer the planet and control the weather etc............

And if one really wants global warming.....JESUS will warm the GLOBE in his wrath when he burns the heavens and the earth ;)
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thats what i mean in bold.
 
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@dcontroversal why do they put all that aluminum oxide and things in the air? it affects them too so why poison themselves? with bio-engineering do they have some goal weather in mind they are trying to reach or whats going on?
 
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PS said:
Back on subject, does God impute grace or salvation?
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what if God imputes Christ's righteousness to us through faith.

but if only those two like you said are options i say God imputes grace and then it leads to salvation. i cant find verses for that. but i can for the righteousness of God thru faith
 
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dcontroversal said:
It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!
New American Standard Bible
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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Saved by faith. And how does the righteousness which is by faith speak? Paul quoted Moses, "The Word is near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart so that you may obey it." That's akin to what our Lord said, "If you abide in My Word, you are truly My disciples and you will know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free."

He is our Passover Lamb. And Moses said of the Passover, "This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that the law of the Lord is to be on your lips." ("Law" being a synonym for the whole of the revealed will of God - the word, commandments, ways, judgements, precepts, etc, of the Lord.")

Psalm 1, being a partial summation of the Psalms, contrasts the righteous and wicked man. "Blessed is the man who does not 1. Walk in the way of the wicked, 2. Stand in the path of sinners, 3. Sit in the seat of mockers, but his delight is in the law of the Lord, and on His law He meditates day and night. The word translated "meditates" in Hebrew means: to murmur, to ponder; imagine, meditate, study, speak, talk, utter, mutter, roar. It is primarily an utterance.

Faith in Jesus Christ means His Word will come from our lips. As it is written in Isaiah 59, "'As for Me, this is My covenant with them,' says the Lord. 'My Spirit who is on you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will not depart from Your mouth, or from the mouths of Your offspring, or from the mouths of their offspring from this time on and forever,' says the Lord."

I believed, therefore, I spoke.
 
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Melach said:
what if God imputes Christ's righteousness to us through faith.

but if only those two like you said are options i say God imputes grace and then it leads to salvation. i cant find verses for that. but i can for the righteousness of God thru faith
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impute
[ im-pyoot ]SHOW IPA
verb (used with object), im·put·ed, im·put·ing.
to attribute or ascribe:
The children imputed (attributed) magical powers to the old woman.
to attribute or ascribe (something discreditable), as to a person.
Law. to ascribe to or charge (a person) with an act or quality because of the conduct of another over whom one has control or for whose acts or conduct one is responsible.
Theology. to attribute (righteousness, guilt, etc.) to a person or persons vicariously; ascribe as derived from another.
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When something is imputed by one person to another person, it means the first person, by their grace, gives something to someone else.

So if my gracious Queen, was to offer me a knighthood, then that is what I would be given, a knighthood. I would not receive her grace. Her grace belongs to her and her alone. We cannot have her grace, but we can have her gift to us.

In the same way God's grace belongs to Him, and what He does for us, is to wipe away our sins which are many. So, By the grace of God we are redeemed.

This salvation or redemption is called Justification and here are some verses that tell us we are redeemed by faith.

Rom_3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Rom_5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Gal_2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be
justified.

Gal_3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Gal_3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Jas_2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
 
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PS said:
Back on subject, does God impute grace or salvation?
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God imputes the righteousness of Christ to the account of the believer.
To impute means to assign value.
This means to be in right standing with God.
 
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EleventhHour said:
God imputed the righteousness of Christ to our account.
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Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.
 
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mailmandan said:
Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.
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Thank you.:)

The word impute has a specific meaning.
 
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PS said:
I gave the definition of impute for goodness’ sake.

If you had read my post you would have seen it.
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Well cool your jets.
I am not in a habit of reading your posts since I stopped feeling the love!:rolleyes:

Okay I will go back and read.
 
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mailmandan said:
Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.
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God imputes or gives righteousness apart from works.

To be made righteous with God is to be saved.

It is God's salvation we are given and not God's grace as has been said on here many times.
 
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