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I have never once side stepped a question to you and am very direct about what I believe...🤔

If I used a poor choice of words or you just happened to misunderstand, I would definitely take the time to try and reword whatever confused you....


I would like to know though ...
Have you had a previous account on christianchat at any point in time?

(if so what was the screen name/ account name)
He won't answer the question.....and we all know why.....!!
 
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EleventhHour

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Another one banned Timothy5378.
Wanted 100 top shelf Christian's to join his commune.

All expenses paid.

I told him I am more of a mid-level Christian so I would not qualify.:D
 
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I place my belief in the Word of God; not any doctrine, certainly not in Google
I'm not asking you to agree with them, lol.
Google 'Hyper Grace' and 'Free Grace' so you can be educated about what you apparently don't know is overtaking the church.
 
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I'm not asking you to agree with them, lol.
Google 'Hyper Grace' and 'Free Grace' so you can be educated about what you apparently don't know is overtaking the church.
Google truth, honesty, integrity, context, and a few other words Ralph

Why is it so hard for you to simply answer the two questions....

Have you been on CC under a different name?

Why do your reject JESUS finishing and completing his work of faith in a believer and substitute your own self sustained faith which undercuts the promises of JESUS....??
 

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I'm not asking you to agree with them, lol.
Google 'Hyper Grace' and 'Free Grace' so you can be educated about what you apparently don't know is overtaking the church.
What is hyper grace in your own words? Is this how you view the doctrine of eternal security?
 
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Not sure what your point is to me....everything I said was correct and biblical...point being that NO one is saved without believing and that salvation is conditional upon belief into the work of Christ....and You know i have said 100 times that the work of the Father is to believe on the SON.....not sure why you said what you said to me....
My point is if we say there is a condition, we make it of works,

if there is any condition it is to say yes, not no

gods brings us to faith. By bringing us to our knees so we have no place else to turn. this causes us to call out to him for mercy

i would not call that a condition, I call that extreme hopelessness which causes us to see Christ and place our hope in him
 
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What is hyper grace in your own words? Is this how you view the doctrine of eternal security?
Oh boy, an old argument let’s not go down this road again, this caused many to get banned and quite a few threads shut down by the mods

in fact, this is supposed to be an off limits topic.
should have known ralph would find a way to bring it back
 
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My point is if we say there is a condition, we make it of works,

if there is any condition it is to say yes, not no

gods brings us to faith. By bringing us to our knees so we have no place else to turn. this causes us to call out to him for mercy

i would not call that a condition, I call that extreme hopelessness which causes us to see Christ and place our hope in him
I would call believing a condition....NO faith No salvation...... <---the condition placed by GOD.....no one will be saved without faith into the SON....that is biblical
 

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Oh boy, an old argument let’s not go down this road again, this caused many to get banned and quite a few threads shut down by the mods

in fact, this is supposed to be an off limits topic.
should have known ralph would find a way to bring it back
I was about to say the same thing.

no one here is saying that righteous behavior is not part of salvation.

righteous behavior is a result of salvation.

typed that so many times I lost count....
 
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I would call believing a condition....NO faith No salvation...... <---the condition placed by GOD.....no one will be saved without faith into the SON....that is biblical
If we do not believe we will not say yes

if we believe we will say yes.

thats why those who do not believe are condemned already they still think they are ok and will never say yes. They will instead outright reject god, or try to earn salvation by religion and works


Anyway that’s the way I see it bro
 
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If we do not believe we will not say yes

if we believe we will say yes.

thats why those who do not believe are condemned already they still think they are ok and will never say yes. They will instead outright reject god, or try to earn salvation by religion and works

Anyway that’s the way I see it bro
Still not sure what your beef is.......faith is the requirement set by GOD......no faith, no salvation.....so not sure why you are finding fault with what I have said....
 
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Still not sure what your beef is.......faith is the requirement set by GOD......no faith, no salvation.....so not sure why you are finding fault with what I have said....
The word CONDITION

it says I must earn salvation by following the condition

The workers use this all the time, it feeds right into their argument

its the work of God we believe (Jesus)

we do not come to faith by our own power. we are led by god

the issue is many like judas, leave before they get to the end of the work of God, their faith
 
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The word CONDITION

it says I must earn salvation by following the condition

The workers use this all the time, it feeds right into their argument

its the work of God we believe (Jesus)

we do not come to faith by our own power. we are led by god

the issue is many like judas, leave before they get to the end of the work of God, their faith
No offence, but that is ignorant to take what I said and embellish it...

Do you believe one must have faith to be saved or NOT.....take it up with GOD.....

NO faith in JESUS....NO salvation....that IS a condition set by GOD and it is NOT a work by man....

and YOU know full well I ALWAYS and have always POINTED to GOD as the source of the faith that saves
 
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No offence, but that is ignorant to take what I said and embellish it...

Do you believe one must have faith to be saved or NOT.....take it up with GOD.....

NO faith in JESUS....NO salvation....that IS a condition set by GOD and it is NOT a work by man....

and YOU know full well I ALWAYS and have always POINTED to GOD as the source of the faith that saves
Bro please stop

i am not embellishing anything, I know what your saying

i am just telling you why I disagree, and why I personally think it is dangerous to use the word condition

sometimes we need to stop taking things so personal. and just listen to what our brothers are trying to say
 
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Then he brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.”

NO faith....No salvation!
 
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Then he brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.”

NO faith....No salvation!
I read a condition in place set by Jesus.
 
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I read a condition in place set by Jesus.
I do as well.....the only condition.....BELIEVE/FAITH

and I do not understand what the issue is......nothing saves a man except FAITH/Belief and NO MAN can be saved without it.....and I know that I have said at least 50 times or more in this thread that JESUS is the source of that faith......and YET MAN MUST acknowledge JESUS by faith.....

Jesus told the Pharisees that they could not go to or be where he was going...WHY....BECAUSE they did not BELIEVE he was the one......

The condition was BELIEF into JESUS as the one.......

Have you ever seen me place that as a work of MAN.....and how does me SAYING it is the condition set BY GOD make it a work of MAN????
 
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I do as well.....the only condition.....BELIEVE/FAITH

and I do not understand what the issue is......nothing saves a man except FAITH/Belief and NO MAN can be saved without it.....and I know that I have said at least 50 times or more in this thread that JESUS is the source of that faith......and YET MAN MUST acknowledge JESUS by faith.....

Jesus told the Pharisees that they could not go to or be where he was going...WHY....BECAUSE they did not BELIEVE he was the one......

The condition was BELIEF into JESUS as the one.......

Have you ever seen me place that as a work of MAN.....and how does me SAYING it is the condition set BY GOD make it a work of MAN????
No never ... a condition is not a work.... I am not sure how anyone could interpret it as a work.
Since Jesus makes it a condition then it cannot be a work...he wouldn't contradict Himself.