Are they a wolf in sheeps clothes?
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We are talking people who have love ones they love and love ones who love them not ducks
It's an old saying that goes; "if it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck....It's a duck!"
But am I wrong or am I telling the truth? If I search "Hillsong gay" what will I find?
No.
Do you just want to insult me because if you do a simple internet search on whether or not Hillsong is gay, you're gonna find out that they're pretty gay?
Let me clarify, I am not the one that made them gay, it was probably this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Houston
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It would be clearer what your point is, if you were to pick one of their song as an example.
I've not paid attention to the lyrics of Hillsong's music so as to give an informed answer.
Jesus Culture performs at Hillsong quite a bit from what I understand. I like their music. I'd say its in keeping with scripture.
With regard to point 6. All one need do is copy those names and add "pastors" before them, and "scandals", after to find what many of us have read for quite some time about them.
I see these type pastors and others like them as those who think people need something to believe in. Always have. And as such if their labors in a pulpit lead people to better themselves thinking they're gaining the approval of a Creator Higher Power, it is a good thing, and a positive for those believers interaction with society. And, as for those pastors themselves, they make a multi-million dollar career out of that effort.And believing in money , think that is very, very, good.
However, it all remains true. We know them by their fruits. While Kris may think that sweet ride is due to the fruit of his labor for God, the rest of us hearken to the message they deliver so as to live that high. Bill Johnson ( Also said to own a $200 thousand dollar Aston Martin)
Brian Houston's home: Royalties from Hillsong's media sales have been very very good to him.
Steve Furtick's house
Imagine the money spent on all those luxuries and how that cash could have gone to help needy parishioners, local homeless, hungry children. The list is long and likely never crossed those men's minds as they walked these properties with the Realtor.
Why not post lyrics to a typical hillsong or elevation song and people can make up their own mind.
I dont really know what kind of deal hillsong has with churches that play their music or how it all works.
With secular music, its by number downloads and publishing rights to their catalogue and royalties come in from that. But not sure if its the same kind if thing with Christian music.
since I am not a musician and never in worship team, I dont really know how they choose the songs everyone sings each week. Some churches treat it like a gig set with a slow song and then a fast song etc. I used to attend one church where they sang the same song three times in a row. Was thoroughly tired of that song at the end. Everytime they played it you could hear the congregation kinda groan.
No church ever seems to take requests either. If they treated it more like kareoke, everyone would join in and pick their faves but I notice bands wanna hog the pulpit and control what everyone sings.
I dont really know what kind of deal hillsong has with churches that play their music or how it all works.
With secular music, its by number downloads and publishing rights to their catalogue and royalties come in from that. But not sure if its the same kind if thing with Christian music.
since I am not a musician and never in worship team, I dont really know how they choose the songs everyone sings each week. Some churches treat it like a gig set with a slow song and then a fast song etc. I used to attend one church where they sang the same song three times in a row. Was thoroughly tired of that song at the end. Everytime they played it you could hear the congregation kinda groan.
No church ever seems to take requests either. If they treated it more like kareoke, everyone would join in and pick their faves but I notice bands wanna hog the pulpit and control what everyone sings.
Hillsong Lyrics
The OP asked us what we thought. If we haven't heard of Hillsong before this thread, isn't it incumbent on us to look up the lyrics if we want to answer that particular part of the OP?
Yep, so I was wondering exactly which song he was referring to. I don't think he is referring to EVERY song from them.
Of course they are wolfs in sheep clothing. If one has discernment, all you have to do is read their doctrine and see how they really act. I cannot believe how many Churches use Bethel music(Including mine).
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
Matthew 7:15-20
In Revelations 2:20, the Church of Thyatira, Jesus address the Pastor for the sin of saying nothing. He told the Pastor that he allows that woman Jezebel to teach and seduce His servants. The Pastor first tolerated certain sins, then conformed to it, and finally accepted certain sins. He saw what was going on in his Church (worldliness) and allowed it; Christians drinking alcohol, Christians listening to secular music, Christians watching certain things on television, Christians bringing the world point of view into the Church, etc..
asked for a typical song, there are probably thousands of em.
Not everyone even knows the origins of all the songs a church may sing...not everyone is a musican. is up to Op to edify or clarify what he or she is really asking sorry.
the hillsong church orignated in Australia in the suburb of Hillsong. Obviously not everyone goes to this one church. But just how far is its influence, and why should one church monopolise the singing of all other churches?