(Refuting) The (Original Sin) Doctrine!!

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Many people in churches today especially the cultic denominations like the catholic church and the watch tower group think that people are born sinners and not only that but even think they have a sinful nature that they can nether eradicate and that all the can do is just (strive) along and hope for the best and if they sin weather wilfully or unwilfully they can just ask God for forgiveness each time and it will be ok. This is wats been taught in most churches 2day people.

Catholics think that babies are born sinners!! Its why they sprinkle babies with water, if that’s the case den why does jesus say in matt 18:3 you must become like a little child to enter into heaven, in other words babies are innocent.

How can a baby be a sinner? They barely have the capacity to even think let alone even move and yet their supposed have the understanding of wat sin is. Sin is not innate, its not done on impulse, sin is a choice acted out upon our free will.

Sin is a premeditated thing which also has to be thought out, its deciding to or not 2 do something iver way the person doing it has an understanding of wat their doing. Yes we have inherited the carnal nature and incorruptible flesh from our ancestors but that’s not a licence. Sin is a choice, we can always choose to or not to regardless of our canal nature!!

Jesus said to the adulterer (Go and sin no more) john 8:5-11 was he commanding the impossible? Not according 2 deu 30:11 my commandments are not far from you. Not according 2 1 corith 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability.

Phil 4:13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Our obligations nether exceed our abilities if so then It would be unfair for God to command something that we couldn’t achieve.


Couple of verses from excuses city that people like to use substantiate why they cant stop sinning. Pslam 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. and Psalm 58:3 Even from birth the wicked go astray;
from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies.

First off dis is poetic literature. The word psalm means hymn or song and in many of the chapters ull see the word (salah) which means next verse of a hymn or next paragraph. Many of the poetic books like psalms, proverbs, ecclesiastes and sos!! Are full of pithy’s and imaginative text. meaning their not to be taken literally but as a general truth, or piece of wisdom.

Also jewish poems are different then say English poems. English poems are mainly about rhythm and rhyming. But jewish poems use wats called synthetic parallels which I can get into later.

Book of pslams was written by david at the most part at terrible times of his life. Like for instances this is the same person who got his best friend killed and then slept with
his wife, was punished by God and had his child die. And his best friend and even his own son wanted to kill him. Pslam 51:5 was written at a time where david had done a lot of backsliding, this was a time of sorrows and he was crying out 2 God for forgiveness.

So I don’t think this is a book that you wanna use for moral instruction and to formulate a doctrine from as opposed to a lot of the books in the NT they are more literal based.
 

NotmebutHim

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"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [a]instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. " - 2 Timothy 3:16-17

So we're back to the idea of ceasing to sin by our own efforts..............

Now then, sit back in your seat, and keep your arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times.

:cautious:
 

p_rehbein

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Psalms 51:5 - Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 - For [there is] not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

Psalms 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Romans 5:12 - Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 5:19 - For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Genesis 8:21 - And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart [is] evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Romans 3:10 - As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Ezekiel 28:15 - Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Jeremiah 17:9 - The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

1 John 1:10 - If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Job 15:14-16 - What [is] man, that he should be clean? and [he which is] born of a woman, that he should be righteous? (Read More...)
 
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PEOPLE DONT LISTEN TO ME LISTEN 2 GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT AND SCRIPTURE!! PRAY, FAST AND SEEK GOD EVERY SECOND AND HE WILL GUIDE U 2 TRUTH!! PROV 3:5-6
 

NotmebutHim

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"Who can say 'I have made my heart clean; I am pure from my sin'?" - Proverbs 20:9

:D
 
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Many people in churches today especially the cultic denominations like the catholic church and the watch tower group think that people are born sinners and not only that but even think they have a sinful nature that they can nether eradicate and that all the can do is just (strive) along and hope for the best and if they sin weather wilfully or unwilfully they can just ask God for forgiveness each time and it will be ok. This is wats been taught in most churches 2day people.

Catholics think that babies are born sinners!! Its why they sprinkle babies with water, if that’s the case den why does jesus say in matt 18:3 you must become like a little child to enter into heaven, in other words babies are innocent.

How can a baby be a sinner? They barely have the capacity to even think let alone even move and yet their supposed have the understanding of wat sin is. Sin is not innate, its not done on impulse, sin is a choice acted out upon our free will.

Sin is a premeditated thing which also has to be thought out, its deciding to or not 2 do something iver way the person doing it has an understanding of wat their doing. Yes we have inherited the carnal nature and incorruptible flesh from our ancestors but that’s not a licence. Sin is a choice, we can always choose to or not to regardless of our canal nature!!

Jesus said to the adulterer (Go and sin no more) john 8:5-11 was he commanding the impossible? Not according 2 deu 30:11 my commandments are not far from you. Not according 2 1 corith 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability.

Phil 4:13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Our obligations nether exceed our abilities if so then It would be unfair for God to command something that we couldn’t achieve.


Couple of verses from excuses city that people like to use substantiate why they cant stop sinning. Pslam 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. and Psalm 58:3 Even from birth the wicked go astray;
from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies.

First off dis is poetic literature. The word psalm means hymn or song and in many of the chapters ull see the word (salah) which means next verse of a hymn or next paragraph. Many of the poetic books like psalms, proverbs, ecclesiastes and sos!! Are full of pithy’s and imaginative text. meaning their not to be taken literally but as a general truth, or piece of wisdom.

Also jewish poems are different then say English poems. English poems are mainly about rhythm and rhyming. But jewish poems use wats called synthetic parallels which I can get into later.

Book of pslams was written by david at the most part at terrible times of his life. Like for instances this is the same person who got his best friend killed and then slept with
his wife, was punished by God and had his child die. And his best friend and even his own son wanted to kill him. Pslam 51:5 was written at a time where david had done a lot of backsliding, this was a time of sorrows and he was crying out 2 God for forgiveness.

So I don’t think this is a book that you wanna use for moral instruction and to formulate a doctrine from as opposed to a lot of the books in the NT they are more literal based.
The wages of sin is death. If not sinful, why do babies die?
 

Dino246

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PEOPLE DONT LISTEN TO ME LISTEN 2 GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT AND SCRIPTURE!! PRAY, FAST AND SEEK GOD EVERY SECOND AND HE WILL GUIDE U 2 TRUTH!! PROV 3:5-6
Welcome to CC...

There is no need to yell. Using ALL CAPS is the internet equivalent of shouting. Using large font and bold face has the same effect.

It is impractical to seek God "every second". God didn't design us to function that way. He has given us His word and brains to think, and intends us to use them both.

If you consider your message important enough to tell others, you can take the time to type, "you" and "to". Otherwise, you come across as lazy, and your message will be ignored accordingly.
 

JaumeJ

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Take it from the vision impaired, it certainly helps in seeing the words. Of course I use read aloud, so I do not actually read much of anything, I hear it, again, thanks to Magenta our very dear sister, and kind of smart on top of that.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [a]instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. " - 2 Timothy 3:16-17

So we're back to the idea of ceasing to sin by our own efforts..............

Now then, sit back in your seat, and keep your arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times.

:cautious:

I would also like to have given you a big thumb's up but your last line was also funny ... so you get a

:LOL: and a (y)
 
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7seasrekeyed

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PEOPLE DONT LISTEN TO ME LISTEN 2 GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT AND SCRIPTURE!! PRAY, FAST AND SEEK GOD EVERY SECOND AND HE WILL GUIDE U 2 TRUTH!! PROV 3:5-6
actually, I have the impression you want us to listen to YOUR version of what you think is in scripture

you would truly have to ignore the scriptures already posted to believe we are born innocent

you would also have be more than a little ignorant of the Bible and the entire reason Jesus died on our behalf
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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1st book of Second Opinions Chapter 5

I'm Gutted!
No sinful nature means Jesus was nailed to a cross for no reason. :cry:
 

Nehemiah6

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Sin is not innate, its not done on impulse, sin is a choice acted out upon our free will.
You should have first studied the Bible before posting this nonsense.

The sin nature is inherited from Adam and all humans beings are sinners by birth and by choice. And that is why all human beings are subject to death.

Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5:12)

Although you are accusing those who believe the Bible to be cultists, it is evident that by rejecting this Bible truth you have identified yourself as a cultist. So kindly tell us to which cult you belong.
 
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Psalms 51:5 - Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 - For [there is] not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

Psalms 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Romans 5:12 - Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 5:19 - For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Genesis 8:21 - And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart [is] evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Romans 3:10 - As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Ezekiel 28:15 - Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Jeremiah 17:9 - The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

1 John 1:10 - If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Job 15:14-16 - What [is] man, that he should be clean? and [he which is] born of a woman, that he should be righteous? (Read More...)
I could just bring up generic verses too but bin there done dat I prefer context!! explain to me the whole context of romans 2-3
 
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Welcome to CC...

There is no need to yell. Using ALL CAPS is the internet equivalent of shouting. Using large font and bold face has the same effect.

It is impractical to seek God "every second". God didn't design us to function that way. He has given us His word and brains to think, and intends us to use them both.

If you consider your message important enough to tell others, you can take the time to type, "you" and "to". Otherwise, you come across as lazy, and your message will be ignored accordingly.
same to you!!

its not me they'd be ignoring??............. if that was 2 be true!! anyway how u know dat are u all knowing?
 

Dino246

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same to you!!

its not me they'd be ignoring??............. if that was 2 be true!! anyway how u know dat are u all knowing?
Yawn.

Clearly, what you have to say is not sufficiently important that you type it properly, and therefore not sufficiently important for me to bother reading.