When does the millennium begin?

[garee]

“But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.” Revelation 20:5–6 (KJV 1900)

The resurrection happens on the last day. “So man lieth down, and riseth not: Till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, Nor be raised out of their sleep.” Job 14:12 (KJV 1900)

This would mean people have information only the Father is supposed to know. That would be the time of the end of the world and the return of Christ. It would be 1007 years from the Rapture. So this proves the Millennium is a false doctrine.

Yes like the rest of the metaphors in that parable "the thousand years" is the signified interpretation (a unknown on revealed).

The whole book of Revelation is written in that manner .Without parable the signified tongue of God Christ spoke not.

Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Those who literalize the signified understanding misout on the hidden gospel meaning of the parables.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

Concerning the dispensationalist/covenant theology argument, which is assuredly foundational to the amillennial issue, I would suggest that the real issue with dispensationalism involves how they read NT references to the OT.

The apostles and Christ were definitely not dispensational in how they used OT Scripture, as they take Scripture applying to Israel and apply it to Jesus or believers, who are Jesus' body.

For example, you can read Matthew and see that Matthew takes Scriptures applying to Israel and applies them to Jesus.

Matthew 2:14-15 4 And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt 15 and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, “Out of Egypt I called my son.”

Hosea 11:1 1 When Israel was a child, I loved him,
and out of Egypt I called my son.

Why?

Jesus is true Israel.

And, Matthew does this over and over again in his gospel. That is because he wanted to show them that Jesus was the true Israel, as well as being the true Adam. He defeated evil, whereas the first Adam and first Israel did not. That is why the desert temptation scene is presented in Matthew 4. It was an echo of Adam's testing in the Garden of Eden, and Israel's testing in the wilderness.

And, Peter does the same thing for the Church when he takes Scriptures applying to Israel in Exodus 19 and alludes to them in his epistle.

Exodus 19:5-6 5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples, for all the earth is mine; 6 and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you shall speak to the people of Israel.”

1 Peter 2:9-10 9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

Why?

The Church, as Jesus' body, is True Israel.

It's really not hard to figure out that the Apostles believed in "covenant theology" because they take Scriptures applying to Israel and apply them to Jesus or the Church.

GK Beale and DA Carson wrote a long commentary where they examine every incidence where the NT quotes or alludes to the OT. It is on my reading list.

https://smile.amazon.com/Commentary...ed+in+the+new+testament&qid=1583315983&sr=8-2



Somehow I don't think many dispensationalists will be reading this. I plan on buying a copy though

 

[alvchris2000]

When does the bible say the millennium begins? Are we in the millennium?

The millennium begins in the year 6000 from creation, which is in 6 years in 2026. Read this bible study http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2018/11/0...-yb-jubilees-and-the-12901335-days-of-daniel/ .

 

[Dave-L]

The millennium begins in the year 6000 from creation, which is in 6 years in 2026. Read this bible study http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2018/11/0...-yb-jubilees-and-the-12901335-days-of-daniel/ .

So you know only what God the Father knows? The world will end 1000 years after a supposed millennium begins?

 

[alvchris2000]

So you know only what God the Father knows? The world will end 1000 years after a supposed millennium begins?

Knowledge is progressive. 2,000 years ago the day nor the hour were known. Now we are approaching the year 6000 from creation in a few years, which will also be 2,000 years since the anointing, so it's pretty obvious at this point that the plan of God all along is that the Mashiach will return in the year 6000, exactly as ancient texts say, "God made the works of his hands in 6 days, and he ended on the 7th day, and rested on it, and he set it apart. Give heed, children, what this means; He ended in 6 days. He means this, that in 6,000 years the Master shall bring all things to an end, for 1 day with him signifies a 1,000 years".

 

[Dave-L]

Knowledge is progressive. 2,000 years ago the day nor the hour were known. Now we are approaching the year 6000 from creation in a few years, which will also be 2,000 years since the anointing, so it's pretty obvious at this point that the plan of God all along is that the Mashiach will return in the year 6000, exactly as ancient texts say, "God made the works of his hands in 6 days, and he ended on the 7th day, and rested on it, and he set it apart. Give heed, children, what this means; He ended in 6 days. He means this, that in 6,000 years the Master shall bring all things to an end, for 1 day with him signifies a 1,000 years".

So you and God the Father know the date for the end of the world?

 

[garee]

So you know only what God the Father knows? The world will end 1000 years after a supposed millennium begins?

I would offer. It began on called the "last days" ending on the "last day" mentioned 6 time in John alone. .no warning he will come like a thief in the night.

The words thousand years in that parable like the other metaphors used, represent a unseen un revealed signified understanding. This is in order to teach us how to walk by faith (hear God). God warns of those of the number according to the things of men seen, comparing themselves to themselves .

Not mixing faith the rule which God hath distributed to us that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure.

2 Corinthians 10:11-13 King James Version (KJV) Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present. For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise. But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you.


Many sign and wonder seekers are seeking after a tribulation not seen. We are in that tribulation which did begin the last days.

The bible say its a evil generation, natural uncovered mankind that looks for signs as wonderments. . But none is given . From my perspective some look to a Hollywood's vision. Not criticizing science fiction .It has its place of amusement..

Micah 4:1But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Acts 2:17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

2 Timothy 3:1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

Hebrews 1:2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

James 5:3Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

2 Peter 3:3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts

 

[Dino246]

Those who literalize the signified understanding misout on the hidden gospel meaning of the parables.

Those who think the gospel is hidden in parables don't know what the gospel is, because the gospel is presented in the plain text of Scripture.

 

[Jimbone]

When the man of sin, New Age Christ, establishes peace in the Middle East, and the Gentile nations come together and say Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth 7 years later the wrath of God will be poured upon the world leading up to the battle of Armageddon which Jesus comes back with the saints and fights the world and defeats them, and then the millennium will begin.

So the millennium could of not started for Jesus has to defeat the world and put down sin for it to begin for He has to take control on earth, which in that day the LORD shall be King over all the earth, and there shall be one LORD and His name one, which the heathen that Jesus spared will only acknowledge Him.

Which there has been talks of Middle East peace for years.

And President Donald Trump wants America to stop being involved in working for peace in the world so much, and wants the other nations to step it up and work for peace which will cause them to have to take action, and cooperate with each other more for peace on earth, which will bring them closer together to the nations coming together.

So you don't think Jesus has ALL victory now? I mean He is seated at the Fathers right has and has ALL victory now today, no? See this is why the early Christian were slaughtered, because they were proclaiming Him King NOW TODAY, to death. When the Messiah came it was to bring salvation and judgement against the covenant breakers. This judgement would end the AGE not world. How this doesn't match with the 70 ad sacking and destruction on Jerusalem did just that, taking Gods temple, that had 100% fulfilled it's full purpose and was no longer needed, off the earth forever along with everything else that had to do with the sacrificial age, another example being all the priesthood genealogies. I mean exactly what Jesus said would happen did. So for you to say things like,

"Jesus has to defeat the world and put down sin for it to begin for He has to take control on earth, which in that day the LORD shall be King over all the earth, and there shall be one LORD and His name one, which the heathen that Jesus spared will only acknowledge Him"

when the kingdom from His lips was described as leaven permeating 3 measures of flour (a lot of dough), a mustard seed growing into a tree, and said it would not be a kingdom you point to and say "thee it is", yes man I believe those born again are in the kingdom, and that He has been granted ALL authority in heaven and on earth and is seated on His throne until ALL enemies are made a footstool for His feet. I believe the text supports this SO much better than when you break out the charts and bring a belief then make the text fit. This said I do understand why you see your view in the bible, I really do brother, and I have to testify of His power and NOTHING has energized me spiritually like when He brought me to this view. We are called to go make disciples of ALL nations until what you described earlier comes to pass. I believe that our King will reign supreme and once all sin is defeated and under His feet, then He will present the perfected creation to the father and dwell with us forever.

So basically I do believe He has control (always has) of earth now, He is King of everything right now, is still drawing the heathens to Himself, and He has all victory today, for real in real life.

Holla-boo-ya!!!!!!!!!!!

Good day Hevosmies!

As I'm sure that you know, the poster is speaking specifically about the time that Jesus will rule on this earth. That millennial kingdom could not begin under after the time of God's wrath/tribulation, which has not yet begun. It will be the last thousand years leading up to the great white throne judgment and the destruction of the present earth and the creation of a new one.

It is that coming millennial kingdom that has not yet begun.

Which needs Gods temple on earth. A temple that has to be commanded by God to be built, otherwise it's just mans temple. Has God commanded men to build a third temple? What would be the purpose of a third temple when that age was clearly ended, and what His temple pointed to has already been come to pass and been fulfilled? If He has the please show me the reference. If not then is God not just speaking through the Son and still speaking to men opposite of what He said in Heb 1:2? This of course would mean that scripture is still open right? See my point here yet? because you sure enough haven't answered this question yet and I've asked at least 3 times (not in this thread, but since this issue occurred to me)

I'm also not trying to be ugly by just going on about this, but brother
I just believe you to be wrong about this whole "it's coming pre-trib" theology. I am not trying to be rude to you at all man, and am sure my direct style can feel like that, but I think this is a very big hole in the whole futurist view. I also realize I hold the MUCH less popular view in mainstream Christianity, but I believe it to be the truth and have to share it. I believe He guided me to it and do so because although I didn't grow up in church, the church I went to then and still go to now does in fact teach the pre-tib rapture. So that's what I was taught until God lead me to a few things I had questions about which lead me slowly to this view now. I see how He grows us, and that's between Him and us, this is why I trust Him to lead all His children to truth. So all I do is what He told us to and proclaim His word to the world, and that is why I'm even sharing my view here. I'd honestly rather not, but I do truly believe this is the truth, and that is strengthen our faith and relationship with our King, then I'd be evil not to share, it's only His power that gives growth. That's why I keep pushing this huge problem with this view.

 

[garee]

Those who think the gospel is hidden in parables don't know what the gospel is, because the gospel is presented in the plain text of Scripture.

Or some might not know what the gospel is or what a parable is?

Yes, 'the literal text, The letter of the law (death) called the Bible as that seen the temporal. It is used to walk by the faith that comes from hearing Christ faith to faith the unseen gospel understanding.

So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 15-17

The just will not live by walking after the literal temporal seen . It must be mixed according to the prescription needed to rightly divide the parables the hidden manna.. "The law of faith"

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[Dino246]

Or some might not know what the gospel is or what a parable is?

Sadly, you fit that description all too well.

Yes, 'the literal text, The letter of the law (death) called the Bible as that seen the temporal. It is used to walk by the faith that comes from hearing Christ faith to faith the unseen gospel understanding.

So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 15-17

The just will not live by walking after the literal temporal seen . It must be mixed according to the prescription needed to rightly divide the parables the hidden manna.. "The law of faith"

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Your stubborn adherence to your misinterpretations will only lead you deeper into confusion.

 

[garee]

Sadly, you fit that description all too well.

Your stubborn adherence to your misinterpretations will only lead you deeper into confusion.

Words as a law have meaning attached to them .

What is your private interpretation of Romans 1:15 -17? ???

It would seem to be saying the just live by the unseen eternal faith. . . to faith .Not after the literal what the eyes see, the temporal to the same literal.

The kingdom of God does not come by observing the things seen.

How would you say Romans 1 defines the gospel? Comparing the literal historical to the same literal? Should we just forget about the parable "the prophecy" that comes by mixing faith the unseen eternal with that seen the literal?

So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.Romans 1:15-17

Nothing about the just walking by sight (sign seekers). Prophecy for those who do believe.

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

 

[Dino246]

Words as a law have meaning attached to them .

Words aren't "a law"; rather, laws are made up of words. Words have meaning(s). Words in Scripture are restricted in their meaning, and when you add meaning that is not found in Scripture, you distort the meaning of Scripture.

I'll respond to the rest of your post later.

 

[JohnR7]

When does the bible say the millennium begins? Are we in the millennium?

The millennium can not begin until the Church age comes to an end. The Church age has many other names. Time of the Gentiles, Holy Spirit Dispensation and so on. This lasts for 2,000 years. The church age began on the day of pentecost in the year 29 ad. Some people say there is a 7 year tribulation period between the church age and the millennium or kingdom age when the Sons (daughters) of God will be manifest. So that means the millennium would begin in the year 2036. We will rule and reign with Christ for 1,000 years. Right now we are in the time of the final or the great harvest. We are in a time of preparation for the Kingdom age.

We also see a transition going on in Washington. Esp this is a big change in the Court system. Again this causes some people to say the Kingdom age has already begun. We are still in a time of transition.

 

[JohnR7]

The kingdom of God does not come by observing the things seen.

The Kingdoms of this world are becoming the Kingdoms of God. We will rule and reign with Christ for 1,000 years. "“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.” (Rev 11:15) after 1,000 years we will continue to rule and reign with Christ. There will be a new heaven and a new earth. "Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away," (Rev 21:1)

 

[JohnR7]

The next millennium would then arrive at January 1 3001

This is the year 4718 on the Chinese calendar. 5780 on the Hebrew Calendar.

 

[Jackson123]

The millennium is the time of tribulation like never before or ever again . The time of reformation had come . Faith that was given a temporal Jewish face, Kings in Israel. Was the abomination of desolation. It had come to a end. It signaled the beginning of the last days or last time .Identified as last days ending on the last day . Not a literal thousand years according to the signified interpretation of Revelation 20.

God does not number days. Unconverted men that walk by sight are quick to set a date. Sell all they have thinking they are buying a ticket. We walk by faith. He will come as a thief in the night like lighting flashing in the sky just a the time of Noah .

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

2 Timothy 3:1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

Hebrews 1:2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

James 5:3Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

2 Peter 3:3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

1 John 2:18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time

The idea that the church will not part of the persecution of the great tribulation is not a biblical doctrine. Christians will not disappear out of the clear blue only to return at a later date .

Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Millenium is thausand years, great tribulation is 7 years, so millenium is not great tribulation

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When does the bible say the millennium begins? Are we in the millennium?

When Christ returns

 

[Dino246]

What is your private interpretation of Romans 1:15 -17? ???

It would seem to be saying the just live by the unseen eternal faith. . . to faith .Not after the literal what the eyes see, the temporal to the same literal.

It would really help if you would learn how to construct a coherent sentence. Do you realize that most people just ignore what you write, because most of it is so poorly written? If you think that you have something worthwhile to share, take the time to learn how to share it such that it will be both read and understood.

My interpretation is this: Paul is telling us that he is ready to preach the gospel to those in Rome. He is not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes, both Jew and Greek (gentile). In the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed: that the just shall live by faith.

How would you say Romans 1 defines the gospel?

I don't. It discusses the gospel but makes no attempt to define it.

Comparing the literal historical to the same literal? Should we just forget about the parable "the prophecy" that comes by mixing faith the unseen eternal with that seen the literal?

It doesn't compare anything. There is no parable in this passage. There is also no prophecy (foretelling) in this passage.

Nothing about the just walking by sight (sign seekers). Prophecy for those who do believe.

I didn't say there was anything about walking by sight. Of course, that's meaningless to you, because you don't actually read what I write, but merely skim it an launch into your irrelevant flights of figurative fancy.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Concerning the dispensationalist/covenant theology argument, which is assuredly foundational to the amillennial issue, I would suggest that the real issue with dispensationalism involves how they read NT references to the OT.

The apostles and Christ were definitely not dispensational in how they used OT Scripture, as they take Scripture applying to Israel and apply it to Jesus or believers, who are Jesus' body.

For example, you can read Matthew and see that Matthew takes Scriptures applying to Israel and applies them to Jesus.

Matthew 2:14-15 4 And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt 15 and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, “Out of Egypt I called my son.”

Hosea 11:1 1 When Israel was a child, I loved him,
and out of Egypt I called my son.

Why?

Jesus is true Israel.

And, Matthew does this over and over again in his gospel. That is because he wanted to show them that Jesus was the true Israel, as well as being the true Adam. He defeated evil, whereas the first Adam and first Israel did not. That is why the desert temptation scene is presented in Matthew 4. It was an echo of Adam's testing in the Garden of Eden, and Israel's testing in the wilderness.

And, Peter does the same thing for the Church when he takes Scriptures applying to Israel in Exodus 19 and alludes to them in his epistle.

Exodus 19:5-6 5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples, for all the earth is mine; 6 and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you shall speak to the people of Israel.”

1 Peter 2:9-10 9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

Why?

The Church, as Jesus' body, is True Israel.

It's really not hard to figure out that the Apostles believed in "covenant theology" because they take Scriptures applying to Israel and apply them to Jesus or the Church.

GK Beale and DA Carson wrote a long commentary where they examine every incidence where the NT quotes or alludes to the OT. It is on my reading list.

https://smile.amazon.com/Commentary...ed+in+the+new+testament&qid=1583315983&sr=8-2



Somehow I don't think many dispensationalists will be reading this. I plan on buying a copy though

Hello UnitedWithChrist!

So .... my question would be, "what does your post have to do with the title which is "When does the millennium begin?"

Revelation reveals that the millennial period begins after the tribulation period (God's wrath) when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. The timing is can also be deduced by the fact that no where in history have seen any of the characteristics that identify that age. Since that is the case, then it is still future.