The Texas Chainsaw Bible Massacre

Dave-L · Mar 16, 2020

My OP is what I learned about popular false prophecy today.

John146 · Mar 16, 2020

By understanding the difference between the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God which you cannot see right now. Study it more and you can see the difference.

Aerials1978 · Mar 16, 2020

Preterism. There are many flaws with this type of doctrine.

Subhumanoidal · Mar 16, 2020

MattforJesus · Mar 16, 2020

Dave-L said:

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

70 weeks are determined upon the nation of Israel to make an end of sins, and anoint the most holy who is Jesus, which by the end of the 70 weeks Israel as a nation has to be in the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.

But we see that they are not in the truth so how could of the 70th week be fulfilled, which 69 weeks has passed with one more week to go which is the time that God causes all people that do not love the truth to follow the beast, and bring Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior fulfilling the 70 weeks.

Luk 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Which the Jews will not see Jesus again until the nation of Israel acknowledges Jesus as Lord and Savior, so Jesus could of not come back in the first century for Israel still was not in the truth which is testified by the Roman Empire being able to go against them and scatter them in to the nations.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, and then the nation of Israel will not be blinded, but the nation of Israel is not in the truth so the fulness of the Gentiles could not of come in yet, so it is future when all Israel shall be saved.

Israel has to be in the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior by the end of the 70 weeks but they have not done that yet so the 70th week could of not been fulfilled.

And they could of not fulfilled the 70th week for they were scattered in to the nations and not together to acknowledge Jesus as Lord and Savior as a nation, and when they became a nation again they still do not acknowledge Jesus as Lord and Savior as a nation.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

God will bring the whole house of Israel back to their land and none of them will be left in the nations anymore, and they will know that He is their Lord and God, and He will not hide His face from them ever again, so from that time forward Israel will always be in the truth and never stray again.

So this is a future prophesy for if it is a past prophesy then Israel would be in the truth today, and if was a prophesy that happened before Christ came then the Jews would of never rejected Christ.

And then the heathen shall know that Israel went in to captivity for their sins against God, but He was always with them and restored the kingdom to them, and favored them, and set His glory among the heathen.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Which Jesus will rule out of Jerusalem over the earth, and the heathen have to go up years after year to worship Jesus and keep the feast of tabernacles.

The 70 weeks could of not been fulfilled for Israel is blinded in part, and they have not acknowledged Jesus as their Lord and Savior yet, and they will not see Jesus until they acknowledge Him as Lord and Savior, for 70 weeks is determined upon Israel to acknowledge Jesus as Lord and Savior.

tourist · Mar 16, 2020

Dave-L said:

Perhaps, at times, albeit just a few times, that might be true in my case as well.

presidente · Mar 16, 2020

Dave-L said:

Yeah, get all those scriptures about Darby and Schofield and post them to refute the OP.

Nehemiah6 · Mar 16, 2020

Dave-L said:

You should quit while you're ahead. Since you know nothing about true prophecy you cannot speak about false prophecy.

pottersclay · Mar 16, 2020

According to the feasts Jesus has not fulfilled all of them.

Dave-L · Mar 17, 2020

Nehemiah6 said:

Are you the standard for true prophecy? Was the church wrong for thousands of years until Darby came along? Was Jesus wrong when he said the gates of hell will not prevail against the church?

Dave-L · Mar 17, 2020

presidente said:

The OP refutes them. Pins them to the mat.

Dave-L · Mar 17, 2020

MattforJesus said:

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

70 weeks are determined upon the nation of Israel to make an end of sins, and anoint the most holy who is Jesus, which by the end of the 70 weeks Israel as a nation has to be in the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.

But we see that they are not in the truth so how could of the 70th week be fulfilled, which 69 weeks has passed with one more week to go which is the time that God causes all people that do not love the truth to follow the beast, and bring Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior fulfilling the 70 weeks.

Luk 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Which the Jews will not see Jesus again until the nation of Israel acknowledges Jesus as Lord and Savior, so Jesus could of not come back in the first century for Israel still was not in the truth which is testified by the Roman Empire being able to go against them and scatter them in to the nations.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, and then the nation of Israel will not be blinded, but the nation of Israel is not in the truth so the fulness of the Gentiles could not of come in yet, so it is future when all Israel shall be saved.

Israel has to be in the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior by the end of the 70 weeks but they have not done that yet so the 70th week could of not been fulfilled.

And they could of not fulfilled the 70th week for they were scattered in to the nations and not together to acknowledge Jesus as Lord and Savior as a nation, and when they became a nation again they still do not acknowledge Jesus as Lord and Savior as a nation.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

God will bring the whole house of Israel back to their land and none of them will be left in the nations anymore, and they will know that He is their Lord and God, and He will not hide His face from them ever again, so from that time forward Israel will always be in the truth and never stray again.

So this is a future prophesy for if it is a past prophesy then Israel would be in the truth today, and if was a prophesy that happened before Christ came then the Jews would of never rejected Christ.

And then the heathen shall know that Israel went in to captivity for their sins against God, but He was always with them and restored the kingdom to them, and favored them, and set His glory among the heathen.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Which Jesus will rule out of Jerusalem over the earth, and the heathen have to go up years after year to worship Jesus and keep the feast of tabernacles.

The 70 weeks could of not been fulfilled for Israel is blinded in part, and they have not acknowledged Jesus as their Lord and Savior yet, and they will not see Jesus until they acknowledge Him as Lord and Savior, for 70 weeks is determined upon Israel to acknowledge Jesus as Lord and Savior.

Here's where Missler and the rest missed it. They looked for a physical kingdom to appear in the time of the Roman Empire. But it did not. They did not realize the kingdom had arrived because only the born again can see it. So they inserted a gap between the 69th and 70th weeks thereby predicting the physical kingdom to arrive thousands of years later. But the born again saw it arrive with Jesus. And the 70 weeks completed in him.

Dave-L · Mar 17, 2020

John146 said:

We've proven time and again they are the same thing. Here's another example:

“the kingdom of Heaven is at hand” (Matt. 4:17) || “the kingdom of God is at hand” (Mark 1:15)

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 5:3) || “Blessed are the poor, for yours is the kingdom of God” (Luke 6:20)

“Among those born of women there has not risen a greater than John the Baptist, notwithstanding he who is least in the kingdom of Heaven is greater than him.” (Matt. 11:11) || “Among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist, but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than him.” (Luke 7:28)

“the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 13:11) || “the mysteries of the kingdom of God” (Mark 4:11 cp. Luke 8:10)

John146 · Mar 17, 2020

Dave-L said:

Again, both kingdoms were at hand during the ministry of Jesus. If the Jews would have sought the kingdom of God first, the physical could have been given as well. Both will be realized at the second coming. Only the kingdom of God continues now.

KJV1611 · Mar 17, 2020

John146 said:

Which verses lead youto believe there will be a physical kingdom?

Dave-L · Mar 17, 2020

John146 said:

They are the same kingdom. Prove they are not using direct quotes from scripture.

John146 · Mar 17, 2020

KJV1611 said:

First, the difference in the two words heaven and God. God is a spirit and heaven is a physical place. Thus, in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The sermon on the mount is concerning the Jews living in this physical kingdom of heaven. The Kingdom of Heaven is spoken about and it says that if one sinned against God that he would go to hell. The Kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom in which the Christian lives (Romans 14:17). If the two are same then there is a contradiction that the Christian's salvation includes works.

Whispered · Mar 17, 2020

The title of this thread is disingenuous. It has semblance of relationship to , Texas chainsaw anything. Especially in light of the actual fact that many years ago there was committed in Texas what was known as the Texas chainsaw massacre. And of course Hollywood exploited that savagery and loss of life to a psychopath, whom the movie, "Silence of the Lambs", was made in reference to as well; Ed Gein.

@massorite posted a similar thread to this one back in February. And this article that appears to be a cut and paste from different sources and uncredited is being posted by Dave-L on other forums, under different names.
He's on a mission folks.
That is not a compliment.

Dave-L said:

Back in the day, those claiming to know bible prophecy befuddled me. Little did I know how their forecasts came to be. After many failed prophecies about the Lord’s return, first in 1988, one generation after Israel occupied Palestine. And more predictions, all failing their predicted time, I began to wonder. And on top of this, many failed predictions of the Antichrist being everyone from Henry Kissinger to Mikhail Gorbachev, I began to question my sanity for listening to them.

It turns out, much of their platform came from the hallucinations of young Margaret MacDonald, a Scottish lass who in the 1800s predicted the PreTrib Rapture while burning up with a fever. And then picked up on by J. Darby and Later C.I. Scofield wrote of it alongside scripture in his Scofield Reference Bible in the early 1900s.

This became part of Dispensationalism. A new prophetic framework through which people could relate the bible to current events. Prophecy buffs worldwide spent many hours gleaning the headlines in search of the Antichrist who already had them twirling on his string while they searched for him.

In fact, this sort of futurism is the result of a plan designed by the Jesuits to offset the Reformers who identified the papacy as the Antichrist. The Jesuits inserted a gap of unlimited time between Daniel’s 69th and 70th weeks (Daniel 9:24ff). Saying the 70th week is on hold until Antichrist arrives.

But in doing this, they turned Jesus who already fulfilled the 70th week, into a future Antichrist who would fulfill the 70th week in the distant future. Now more than 2000 years later. The Jesuits thought by doing so, people would think the Antichrist is yet future, so he cannot be the Pope.

It worked having affected a broad swath of Christendom. Placing them into a futuristic mode of reading the bible while missing the present and past fulfillments in prophecy. But the gap, no matter how far into the future, needed a few things.

The original backdrop of the first century had the Roman Empire. The time in which the Kingdom of Christ came. But now disregarded and changed into a Jewish millennium of the future.

This meant, they needed a restored Roman Empire. A rebuilt temple for Antichrist to desecrate. Another great tribulation, and all that belonged to the original 70th week’s prophecy, already fulfilled.

But this forms much of their prophecy today. Already fulfilled prophecy is now said to have “double fulfillment”. So they predict a restored Roman Empire. A new Temple with animal sacrifices for Antichrist to end and so on. Not realizing they missed it the same way the Jews did. The kingdom is spiritual and not the physical kingdom they remain looking for.

And so here we are. The bible scavenger hunt began in the 1800s. Looking for scripture to support this “new way” of reading the bible. A system not based on the bible, but based instead on an imaginary Gap the bible never mentions. This meant sawing one text after another from its original setting. And trying to recreate it in the future with modern technology. An example is Ezekiel 38 -39 where spears become submarines. Horses become jet planes. And the attempt to steal Israel’s cattle becomes oil or any reason battles happen today.

And ancient Gog and Magog become Russia. Without one mention of any of this in scripture. Yet many believe the current wave of false prophecy. Not knowing it comes from an imaginary gap inserted in the bible by Jesuits to deceive Protestants at war with the Reformers of the 1600s.

Whispered · Mar 17, 2020

Dave-L said:

Prove they are! The onus is on you. Why should we do your work for you?

Dave-L · Mar 17, 2020

Whispered said:

“the kingdom of Heaven is at hand” (Matt. 4:17) = “the kingdom of God is at hand” (Mark 1:15)

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 5:3) = “Blessed are the poor, for yours is the kingdom of God” (Luke 6:20)

“Among those born of women there has not risen a greater than John the Baptist, notwithstanding he who is least in the kingdom of Heaven is greater than him.” (Matt. 11:11) = “Among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist, but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than him.” (Luke 7:28)

“the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 13:11) = “the mysteries of the kingdom of God” (Mark 4:11 cp. Luke 8:10)

“the kingdom of Heaven is like a grain of mustard seed” (Matt 13:31) = “the kingdom of God...is like a grain of mustard seed” (Mark 4:30-31 cp. Luke 13:18-19)

“The kingdom of Heaven is like leaven” (Matt. 13:33) = “the kingdom of God...is like leaven” (Luke 13:20)

“Except you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 18:3-4) = “Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein” (Mark 10:15)

“Allow little children, and do not forbid them to come to me, for of such is the kingdom of Heaven.” (Matt. 19:14) = “Allow the little children to come to me, and do not forbid them, for of such is the kingdom of God.” (Mark 10:14 cp. Luke 18:16)

“a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 19:23) = “How hardly shall they who have riches enter into the kingdom of God!” (Luke 18:24)

In other words, “kingdom of God” = “kingdom of Heaven.”

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