Refuting The Cessationism Doctrine: Spiritual Gifts, Tongues, Miracles Haven’t Ceased Since Pentecost!!
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Well I knew this guy whos best friend attended a church service and they had a preacher who healed a man in New Guinea. This preacher fixed this man's leg that was longer than the other and POW! it was shorten to the length of the other leg. I think he said the guy's name was Joe or Jimbo or something like that. The preacher not the New Guinea guy.
You can look it up on Google am sure.
Well I knew this guy whos best friend attended a church service and they had a preacher who healed a man in New Guinea. This preacher fixed this man's leg that was longer than the other and POW! it was shorten to the length of the other leg. I think he said the guy's name was Joe or Jimbo or something like that. The preacher not the New Guinea guy.
You can look it up on Google am sure.
Here's a few more videos demonstrating some of the problems with the charismatic movement.
First one is Kenneth Copeland's alleged destruction of the Corona virus. Second one is a great show by John Sampson and Steven Bancarz concerning the many problems with the charismatic movement. John used to work for Copeland, and Steven was brought up as a Pentecostal. He got involved in New Age teaching as a young adult, but was then converted by God to Christianity. He has visited charismatic churches since becoming a believer, and recognizes some of the same evil spirits that are involved in charismatic teachings.
Particularly, he plays a few clips by Bob Jones, who is the father of the charismatic movement. Bob Jones was a major figure in the life of Kenneth Copeland, as well as other charismatics. Listen to his words yourself and determine if he is a sound believer. I think not.
With regards to charismatics, they have repeatedly shown bad judgement in terms of doctrine. Besides their own doctrinal issues, charismatics have called men like William Branham "God's general". William Branham was a oneness Pentecostal who claimed to be a prophet. Well, he missed the boat with that claim, because he was one of the endorsers of Jim Jones' ministry.
The fact that significant charismatics laud William Branham is telling, because, in essence, they are approving the teachings of a heretic who denies the Trinity, and who claimed all kinds of weird experiences.
Jim Jones is the cult leader who lead about 900 people to their deaths.
You guys might as well forget about convincing me that charismatics are worthy of serious consideration. I have seen way too much to fall for that. And, the video with John Sampson and Steven Bancarz will give you some of the reasons why the movement is discredited by all sound Christians.
Like Steven says, 50 percent of the church thinks that recent charismatic teaches are Satanic, 25 percent think it's of the flesh, and the other 25 percent believes it.
By the way, Steven believes that the miraculous sign gifts are still in existence today, but he does not support the charismatic movement as a whole.
One notable remark was that this skyscraper of charismatic teaching is built on a dime-size piece of real estate.
First one is Kenneth Copeland's alleged destruction of the Corona virus. Second one is a great show by John Sampson and Steven Bancarz concerning the many problems with the charismatic movement. John used to work for Copeland, and Steven was brought up as a Pentecostal. He got involved in New Age teaching as a young adult, but was then converted by God to Christianity. He has visited charismatic churches since becoming a believer, and recognizes some of the same evil spirits that are involved in charismatic teachings.
Particularly, he plays a few clips by Bob Jones, who is the father of the charismatic movement. Bob Jones was a major figure in the life of Kenneth Copeland, as well as other charismatics. Listen to his words yourself and determine if he is a sound believer. I think not.
With regards to charismatics, they have repeatedly shown bad judgement in terms of doctrine. Besides their own doctrinal issues, charismatics have called men like William Branham "God's general". William Branham was a oneness Pentecostal who claimed to be a prophet. Well, he missed the boat with that claim, because he was one of the endorsers of Jim Jones' ministry.
The fact that significant charismatics laud William Branham is telling, because, in essence, they are approving the teachings of a heretic who denies the Trinity, and who claimed all kinds of weird experiences.
Jim Jones is the cult leader who lead about 900 people to their deaths.
You guys might as well forget about convincing me that charismatics are worthy of serious consideration. I have seen way too much to fall for that. And, the video with John Sampson and Steven Bancarz will give you some of the reasons why the movement is discredited by all sound Christians.
Like Steven says, 50 percent of the church thinks that recent charismatic teaches are Satanic, 25 percent think it's of the flesh, and the other 25 percent believes it.
By the way, Steven believes that the miraculous sign gifts are still in existence today, but he does not support the charismatic movement as a whole.
One notable remark was that this skyscraper of charismatic teaching is built on a dime-size piece of real estate.
By the way, the original poster is distorting what cessationists believe..she is claiming all of the gifts of the Spirit are denied since Pentecost by cessationists. They don't believe that. They only believe that the spiritual gifts such as tongues, prophesying, interpretation of tongues, and healings by an individuals are no longer in existence.
This is largely because they were associated with validating the apostles' message. Since there are no apostles now, there is no need for validation.
Of course, the charismatic often claims that there are apostles and prophets. In fact, there's a group for each that alleged prophets and apostles can join for about $500 (annually, I think) in order to get recognized as one. There's a husband/wife discount if anyone really wants to follow upon it
I'm really tired of seeing people strutting around claiming to be apostles and prophets. These mutual-attestation groups are nothing but a joke anyways.
This video basically summarizes my thoughts on a significant portion of charismatic organizations....it is demonic, and reflects the work of a counterfeit spirit.
2 Cor 11:3 3 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough
2 Cor 11: 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
Those who are excessively interested in spiritual manifestations and doing things like leaving their bodies are most assuredly being seduced by these false teachers.
I also respect Costi Hinn, a nephew of Benny Hinn, who is also involved in exposing individuals like Kenneth Copeland and Bill Johnson.
By the way, Steven Bancarz is apparently associated with the charismatic movement in some way so he isn't totally dismissive of them (which is my tendency). He was a New Age teacher before being saved. John Sampson, the other person, was associated with Kenneth Copeland at one point.
Why am I dismissive of charismatics? Their understanding adds nothing to me. I enjoy studying the Bible and relishing in doctrines like union and identity in Christ, and seeing the shadows and types of the OT. I already know I'm joined with Christ, and I don't need to go looking for emotional experiences to validate my faith. I don't need the sense of power or emotional stimulus that apparently charismatic beliefs give some people.
2 Cor 11:3 3 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough
2 Cor 11: 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
Those who are excessively interested in spiritual manifestations and doing things like leaving their bodies are most assuredly being seduced by these false teachers.
I also respect Costi Hinn, a nephew of Benny Hinn, who is also involved in exposing individuals like Kenneth Copeland and Bill Johnson.
By the way, Steven Bancarz is apparently associated with the charismatic movement in some way so he isn't totally dismissive of them (which is my tendency). He was a New Age teacher before being saved. John Sampson, the other person, was associated with Kenneth Copeland at one point.
Why am I dismissive of charismatics? Their understanding adds nothing to me. I enjoy studying the Bible and relishing in doctrines like union and identity in Christ, and seeing the shadows and types of the OT. I already know I'm joined with Christ, and I don't need to go looking for emotional experiences to validate my faith. I don't need the sense of power or emotional stimulus that apparently charismatic beliefs give some people.
I could claim to be a Mensa genius and some folks would likely believe me
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The gift of tongues (prophesying declaring the gospel our new tongue) has not ceased. Even now the gospel is going out. It has been defined according to its foundation in the Old testament. Destroy that foundation it destroys the doctrine.
Then as a sign given by God of those who would rather follow the oral traditions of men as "wonderments self edifying" they in their arrogance make a noise without meaning and fall backward to show they are under the judgement of God .Yet for all that they still to this day make a noise fall backward mocking sola scriptura.
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For me to say I love believe in Yeshua/Jesus.. at first its so what? That does not mean I am born from above/born again. Reading just page 32 you know what comes to mind? Two things. Right from the start "they will know you are mine by your love one for another" and Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths but only what is helpful Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, ""Don't say anything that would hurt [another person]. Instead, speak only what is good so that you can give help wherever it is needed.
"Jesus came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sins was buried rose the 3rd day is the only way to the Father"<---for some of you.. this means nothing. You want people to fit into your picture of what a REAL Christian is.
Old song.. "if all we had do to each day was walk up and go out to play...take the hand of al the world.. every boy and ever girl. Think how very proud we'd be if love was all there was to see"
Did you know they that say believe Jesus is lord.. born from above.. are more family then flesh and blood? Yet.. if someone talked made a video about our sister, brother, mom dad.. or spouse. Yeah. See the least of these. Where some just stop is a truth yet...its the least of these my brethren.
This talk always goes to my heart and hurts.. I cry.. well I know how much He paid for me to have life with Him. And standing next to all these talked about here. I am exactly the same. I lust, I lie, I have cheated, thought awful evil things, didn't give to God so many times in my life. Never shared Jesus again so many times. Didn't always gave money to those on the streets nor cared enough to walk the streets day and night. Not going to every hospital or every elderly home. Not going to prison. Not staying in prayer for hours and days, Hey.. add me to your list. I believe the gifts are for today. I have been prayed for.. then next thing I new I was on my back.. no clue how I fell backwards. I must be one of them also.
I say all this .. please forgive me.. not here to offend. Even one of Gods top angels.. could not say anthing to Satan but.. the lord rebuke you. "Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you"
That was the archangel Michael. that dared not bring against him a reviling accusation. Satan deserves it no? So the people we talk about.. hurt bash talk negitivly.. you know just how is still with them.. sticking up for them helping them? The same one that treats you the same.
I say this for you not them. They don't see this read this.. thats the point no? Well if we cared we would call email ask here ..hey these I believe are off or in error and man we need to take authority over the enemy and NOT let him hurt our family in JESUS name. For if just two of us agree in JESUS anme the Father will answer. I can't be the only that.. thinks this. This how i would talk about you.. I would stick up for you. ANY and all. Jesus does this for me..so.. no way am I going to let the enemy get away with hurting my family.
If I have offended in anyway .. forgive me.. I will detete this.. I already did many times. I am awful with words.. so hard to just.. talk like most of you do. Hard to get into words my thoughts.. just seems to always come out wrong..
I was shown so much mercy and grace..
"Jesus came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sins was buried rose the 3rd day is the only way to the Father"<---for some of you.. this means nothing. You want people to fit into your picture of what a REAL Christian is.
Old song.. "if all we had do to each day was walk up and go out to play...take the hand of al the world.. every boy and ever girl. Think how very proud we'd be if love was all there was to see"
Did you know they that say believe Jesus is lord.. born from above.. are more family then flesh and blood? Yet.. if someone talked made a video about our sister, brother, mom dad.. or spouse. Yeah. See the least of these. Where some just stop is a truth yet...its the least of these my brethren.
This talk always goes to my heart and hurts.. I cry.. well I know how much He paid for me to have life with Him. And standing next to all these talked about here. I am exactly the same. I lust, I lie, I have cheated, thought awful evil things, didn't give to God so many times in my life. Never shared Jesus again so many times. Didn't always gave money to those on the streets nor cared enough to walk the streets day and night. Not going to every hospital or every elderly home. Not going to prison. Not staying in prayer for hours and days, Hey.. add me to your list. I believe the gifts are for today. I have been prayed for.. then next thing I new I was on my back.. no clue how I fell backwards. I must be one of them also.
I say all this .. please forgive me.. not here to offend. Even one of Gods top angels.. could not say anthing to Satan but.. the lord rebuke you. "Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you"
That was the archangel Michael. that dared not bring against him a reviling accusation. Satan deserves it no? So the people we talk about.. hurt bash talk negitivly.. you know just how is still with them.. sticking up for them helping them? The same one that treats you the same.
I say this for you not them. They don't see this read this.. thats the point no? Well if we cared we would call email ask here ..hey these I believe are off or in error and man we need to take authority over the enemy and NOT let him hurt our family in JESUS name. For if just two of us agree in JESUS anme the Father will answer. I can't be the only that.. thinks this. This how i would talk about you.. I would stick up for you. ANY and all. Jesus does this for me..so.. no way am I going to let the enemy get away with hurting my family.
If I have offended in anyway .. forgive me.. I will detete this.. I already did many times. I am awful with words.. so hard to just.. talk like most of you do. Hard to get into words my thoughts.. just seems to always come out wrong..
I was shown so much mercy and grace..
Here is my personal encounter with a miracle, I'll relate what I learned from the beings that I spoke to about it.
I was having my first child and I sat up, altho my body still was lying down. Two vague forms were in the room and I could perceive what they were saying.
They said the baby I was having was shining but the body of the child would cause rears so it should not live. They wondered why humans cry. Please don't ask me what they meant, I am just reporting what happened.
I said the baby meant everything to us, I would teach the child about God and joy, please let the baby live. Their reply was that they could not do anything but follow---oh dear. Our communication was on a different level than speech. I know what they meant. They knew how the world was created to be and they must follow that, and as it was the baby should not live.
They seemed to think it wasn't right that I should enter their world.
Here is my point--they said they would ask permission to bypass how it should be. I think that is how miracles happen. Our world operates by set policies, but God will change it for us if we ask.
And, if you are curious, the baby lived for 21 years. She had extremely severe asthma we had a hard time living happily with and she died of an aneurysm.
I was having my first child and I sat up, altho my body still was lying down. Two vague forms were in the room and I could perceive what they were saying.
They said the baby I was having was shining but the body of the child would cause rears so it should not live. They wondered why humans cry. Please don't ask me what they meant, I am just reporting what happened.
I said the baby meant everything to us, I would teach the child about God and joy, please let the baby live. Their reply was that they could not do anything but follow---oh dear. Our communication was on a different level than speech. I know what they meant. They knew how the world was created to be and they must follow that, and as it was the baby should not live.
They seemed to think it wasn't right that I should enter their world.
Here is my point--they said they would ask permission to bypass how it should be. I think that is how miracles happen. Our world operates by set policies, but God will change it for us if we ask.
And, if you are curious, the baby lived for 21 years. She had extremely severe asthma we had a hard time living happily with and she died of an aneurysm.
Could be birth anticipation pains?
Jesus in Mathew 4 had what some refer to as out of the body. Lying spirits bringing in lying vision to one fleshly mind. and therefore produce a wonderment or state of doubt. But the Son of man the apostle Jesus was given words from the father as Lord to rebuke Satan again and again three times the words as it is written .And the vision or out of the body illusion disappeared . . The Son of man had no authority to rebuke. No power is attributed to the corrupted flesh of Jesus which is signified as sinful. God cannot sin.
Experience (no faith needed) is not the validator of the unseen spiritual things we do wrestles against. Colossians 2:18 reflects on that subject of Mathew 4 . We must be careful how we hear. Then we can find faith .
Jesus in Mathew 4 had what some refer to as out of the body. Lying spirits bringing in lying vision to one fleshly mind. and therefore produce a wonderment or state of doubt. But the Son of man the apostle Jesus was given words from the father as Lord to rebuke Satan again and again three times the words as it is written .And the vision or out of the body illusion disappeared . . The Son of man had no authority to rebuke. No power is attributed to the corrupted flesh of Jesus which is signified as sinful. God cannot sin.
Experience (no faith needed) is not the validator of the unseen spiritual things we do wrestles against. Colossians 2:18 reflects on that subject of Mathew 4 . We must be careful how we hear. Then we can find faith .
