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EleventhHour

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No, Judges 1318 does not teach that.
The only 'process' there is in salvation is we have yet to be physically saved into our inheritance, the kingdom.

"This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time." - 1 Peter 1:5

You receive that future part of salvation if you stay shielded by God's power through the continuance of the faith you started out in.
No more faith means no more being shielded by God's power until the salvation to be revealed in the last time. Read the passage. Or did Peter really mean you stay 'shielded by God's power not through faith', too?


'Final, Done, Complete' does not mean, by definition, 'can't be undone'.
Of course things that are 'done, final, and complete' don't have to, by definition, stay that way. Good grief!
Well then tackle this which you have yet to do

Physical birth (an event) >>>> cannot be undone

which Jesus connects to ....

Spiritual birth (an event)>>>> cannot be undone
 
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EleventhHour

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You say me continuing to believe in order to stay saved is me trying to earn my own salvation.
How is that a dogma that doesn't exist?
You said it, not me.

Now show me where in scripture it says my believing is me trying to work to earn salvation.
stay saved
This does not exist in scripture.
 

Lightskin

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I have been WAY MORE PATIENT with you than others, and I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU TWO OR THREE WARNINGS about your DIVISIVE ATTITUDE before
Warnings? 😆😆😆

What are you going to do pops, put me on double secret probation? For the record, I’ve been Christian longer than you.

I teach John 3:16-17. Everything else is gravy. Go ahead and argue with that, pussycat. Your arrogance is exactly why Christians are hated. Ignore me, please!
 
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You’re trying to save yourself by holding on to faith rather than trusting Jesus.
Holding onto Jesus is called having faith.
Besides, the scriptures do explicitly say to hold onto faith:

"let us hold firmly to the faith we profess." - Hebrews 4:14

Is the author of Hebrews telling me to save myself by holding onto faith rather than trusting Jesus?
 
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EleventhHour

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Holding onto Jesus is called having faith.
Besides, the scriptures do explicitly say to hold onto faith:

"let us hold firmly to the faith we profess." - Hebrews 4:14

Is the author of Hebrews telling me to save myself by holding onto faith rather than trusting Jesus?

The faith they profess, is the doctrine they are declaring by their mouths of Christ Jesus

This holding once again is not about staying saved.
 
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That's right.
To those who believe.
Not to those who have been told not to believe in signs and wonders.

28When he had gone indoors, the blind men came to him, and he asked them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?

“Yes, Lord,” they replied.

29Then he touched their eyes and said, “According to your faith let it be done to you”; 30and their sight was restored. - Matthew 9:28-29



As we can see, the Cessationist Doctrine has removed even the mustard seed of faith from the church!
Just another negative result of the Reformed Movement.
So if you believe, why are you not willing to go to those with covid-19 in your country and declaring Mark 16:17-18 to them?

No point insisting that passage is for you, but you are not exercising it.

As you are proclaiming in this thread, isn't faith without works dead?
 

Lightskin

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Holding onto Jesus is called having faith.
Besides, the scriptures do explicitly say to hold onto faith:

"let us hold firmly to the faith we profess." - Hebrews 4:14

Is the author of Hebrews telling me to save myself by holding onto faith rather than trusting Jesus?
Jesus is holding on to you. Let go and let Him.
 
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Warnings? 😆😆😆

What are you going to do pops, put me on double secret probation? For the record, I’ve been Christian longer than you.

I teach John 3:16-17. Everything else is gravy. Go ahead and argue with that, pussycat. Your arrogance is exactly why Christians are hated. Ignore me, please!
I realized, particularly in Christian forums, many like to announce publicly they are putting others on ignore.

I always smile when people do that, are we still kids or what? Its like the playground where one kid tells another "I don't friend you anymore!" ;)

If you don't want to interact with someone, just don't reply to their posts.
 
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EleventhHour

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I realized, particularly in Christian forums, many like to announce publicly they are putting others on ignore.

I always smile when people do that, are we still kids or what? Its like the playground where one kid tells another "I don't friend you anymore!" ;)

If you don't want to interact with someone, just don't reply to their posts.
It is a good idea, so the person knows why they are not getting a response.
 
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EleventhHour

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Do you really think many people actually care? Its like virtue signaling to me.
If someone tells me then I know and I will not respond to them.. I think it is a courtesy but definitely not a work that will save! :)
 
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Romans 1:17
For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”
 

VCO

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I really think you are misunderstanding the point that @Lightskin was making.

Just take a step back and read the posts rather than jumping to conclusions.
No, You had better read the posts he made to me:

Lightskin said: What’s the matter vco, you don’t like it when someone stands up to your bullish attitude? Act like a real man, better yet act like a real Christian and I’ll treat you with the respect I afford my elders and brethren.

Lightskin said: Okay, 101 feet, Einstein. Besides what you just shared is works salvation ~ blowing bubbles in order to keep from drowning. Besides, no one mentioned anything about scuba diving.

On another note, you said goodbye to me, so make it happen. Be gone, scuba boy.

VCO said:
So you admit that you did not read the first nine word of my post. I don't have time to waste on one that does not want to read a one sentence post, but WANTS TO POST A REBUTTLE on something HE THINKS I posted. Good Bye Lightskin.

Lightskin said: I admit I usually don’t read much of your long winded, self righteous, judgmental blathering. But I know one thing for sure, John never stated he was perfect as you insinuated. Ba bye
 

JaumeJ

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According to the title, I suppose the word Salvation is to be understood. Fine.

We aare to do the works of our Maker, and this is certain for if one says he is ssaved and refusses God's works it amounts to faith without works.

We earn nothing, it is our due......please do not lead brethren from works, it is Satanic.
 

gb9

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According to the title, I suppose the word Salvation is to be understood. Fine.

We aare to do the works of our Maker, and this is certain for if one says he is ssaved and refusses God's works it amounts to faith without works.

We earn nothing, it is our due......please do not lead brethren from works, it is Satanic.
this from a guy who has in the past said that " one does not need to read Paul's letters , they were for churches who had problems...."


this was said by you a couple of years ago, I have not reminded you of your own words in a while, figured it was a good time to do so.