in bodily form?
what bodily form would that be?
do you really believe Jesus HAD to be baptised for any other reason than to fulfill all righteousness according to the Scriptures? this was the transition from the Old to the New. Jesus was signalling that He was bringing all things together in Himself: Priest, King, Lamb, Lord. He was about to be sacrificed, LBG: please look into the levitical system.
I am not discussing the Baptism itself, but the Holy Spirit descending on Christ
The Spirit was a SIGN for john the baptist. we've been through this before.
See answer below
john was of the priest line, yet he was outside the functioning levitical system: he was calling the jews AWAY from it.
we had a priest and OT prophet (THE LAST) who as the forerunner for THE NEW, baptised the Anointed One, per Daniel 9.
but THIS anointing was of God (the Spirit), NOT human priests.
John 1
Behold, the Lamb of God
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
30 This is he of whom I said, ‘After me comes a man who ranks before me, because he was before me.’
31 I myself did not know him, but for this purpose I came baptizing with water, that he might be revealed to Israel.”
32 And John bore witness: “I saw the Spirit descend from heaven like a dove, and it remained on him.
33 I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’
34 And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.”
This does not say that Jesus was annointed with the Holy Spirit so John would know who he was. This says that Jesus WAS annointed with the Spirit, it was revealed to John that the spirit descended on Christ and therefore he accepted he was the Lamb of God. This in no way changes what scripture plainly says. The Spirit came on Christ in bodily shape or form depending on which translation you read. It was revealed to John this happened.
You have that wrong Zone
And after Jesus returned from the wilderness after being tempted he lived in THE POWER of the Spirit
is this when you have Jesus receiving demi-deity?
exactly how did it work, LBG?
this event was the signal that the 70th week had begun.
Daniel 9
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
to anoint the most Holy.
so you have Jesus being a created entity.
how then, as you admit, were ALL things created through (by) Him?
The universe was created THROUGH Christ but I have alrerady clearly stated as we know time Christ has always existed
But I certainly believe the Father existed first, yes
so, you believe Christ is a created entity, but above the angels.
and that He received (deity?) the Holy Spirit at His baptism?
I clearly believe the Father existed before the son
I believe we worship the diety of the Father seen in the Son
When the spirit came upon Christ in Bodily form at his Baptism as scripture CLEARLY says he was empowered for his ministry ahead
Christ himself acknowledged the miracles performed were by the power of the Holy Spirit
so, as He came as a man, but ascended into heaven, what sort of being is He? is He still a man?
will we be just like Him?
Christ has been refered to many times in scripture as 'The angel of the Lord', but the fulness of the Godhead bodily dwells in Christ. He is the son of God.
The angels according to scripture are spirit messengers, the Father is spirit, what entity do you suppose is Christ? Simply a man?
since you are not able to define what manner of "son" (entity) of God He is, i would have to say
NO based on YOUR UNDERSTANDING of Who The Son of God is, if i only have 2 choices.
I can understand why you do not wish to answer the question. Scripturally you cannot produce a verse of scripture that says
We must believe Christ is God Himself to have eternal life
Therefore your belief of what is neccessary to have eternal life is not written in the Bible
Christ makes it CLEAR He is DEITY and One with the Father (i'm keeping it simple LBG).
Are you refering to John 10:30 here?
I have given them the glory you gave me, that they(the believers) may be one AS we are one
So how can you and I be oner Zone? Can you be me or I you? No.
TYhe only way we could be one is of one heart and one mind in the spirit
That they may be one AS we are one
you've been given this over and over.
i'll give you ONE. if you deconstruct it, you do so on your own.
John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.
I exist, I am
Original Word: εἰμί
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: eimi
Phonetic Spelling: (i-mee')
Short Definition: I am, exist
Definition: I am, exist.
1510 eimí (the basic Greek verb which expresses
being, i.e. "
to be") –
am,
is.
1510 (
eimí), and its counterparts, (properly) convey "straight-forward"
being (
existence, i.e. without explicit limits).
1510 /eimí ("is, am") – in the
present tense, indicative mood – can be time-inclusive ("omnitemporal," like the Hebrew imperfect tense). Only the
context indicates whether the
present tense also has "
timeless" implications.
For example,
1510 (
eimí) is aptly used in Christ's great "
I am" (
ego eimi . . . ) that also include His
eternality (
self-existent life) as our
life,
bread,
light," etc. See Jn 7:34, 8:58, etc.
Example: Jn 14:6: "
I am (
1510 /eimí) the way, the truth and the life." Here
1510 (
eimí) naturally accords with the fact Christ is
eternal – maning "I
am (
was,
will be)." The "
I am formula (Gk
egō eimi)" harks back to
God's only name, "
Yahweh" (OT/3068, "the lord") – meaning "He who always was, is, and will be."
Compare Jn 8:58 with Ex 3:14. See also Rev 4:8 and
2962 /kýrios ("Lord").
this is the COVENANT NAME, LBG.
this is what enraged the Pharisees.
Glad you mentioned Ex 3:14
Who appeared to Moses in the burning bush?
There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush
Ex 3:2
He was sent to be their ruler by God Himself THROUGH the angel who appeared tro him in the bush
John 19:7
So do you believe Christ is the angel of the Lord?
So who when Jesus had completed his public ministry did the Pharisees believe Christ had claimed to be?
The Jews insisted. We have a law and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be THE SON OF GOD
John 19:7
But if you are REALLY honest Zone you do believe a person must believe Christ is God Himself to have eternal life. And if you are honest that is not what Chrtist commanded anyone to believe in order to have eternal life. The condition always was to believe he was the son of God as you know
So in effect however you try and use scripture the truth is you believe that something on which eternal life hinges is not written in the Bible.
You can use the I AM quotes all you wish but are yoiu saying God Himself is the angel of the Lord?
Or that we have a Bible that the plainest of statements by Christ cannpot be relied on as how a person must view him to have eternal life
Or the way you see it. One statement refering to Christ as I Am means that unless a person believes Christ is God Himself they can have no eternal life. Whereas every plain statement Christ made on this issue stated clearly a person has to believe he is the son of God, not God Himself
New International Version (©1984)
I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins."
New Living Translation (©2007)
That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I Am who I claim to be, you will die in your sins."
English Standard Version (©2001)
I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."
International Standard Version (©2008)
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins."
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
For this reason I told you that you'll die because of your sins. If you don't believe that I am the one, you'll die because of your sins."
King James Bible
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.
American King James Version
I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.
American Standard Version
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I am he , ye shall die in your sins.
Bible in Basic English
For this reason I said to you that death will overtake you in your sins: for if you have not faith that I am he, death will come to you while you are in your sins.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Therefore I said to you, that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin.
Darby Bible Translation
I said therefore to you, that ye shall die in your sins; for unless ye shall believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
English Revised Version
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Webster's Bible Translation
I said therefore to you, that ye will die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye will die in your sins.
Weymouth New Testament
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins; for, unless you believe that I am He, that is what will happen."
World English Bible
I said therefore to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins."
Young's Literal Translation
I said, therefore, to you, that ye shall die in your sins, for if ye may not believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.'
John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.
Answer above
Matthew 11:27
All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
What does this prove?
~ i'll respond the rest later, to the best of my ability, ok?
zone.