is Jesus a creature or a being?

[Tigger2]

How about first born from the dead?

Seriously, could it be so simple. The first born into Glory, The first one to overcome the world. Sorry for the sarcasm. I couldn't help it it was dripping everywhere. lol

 

[zone]

Seriously, could it be so simple. The first born into Glory, The first one to overcome the world. Sorry for the sarcasm. I couldn't help it it was dripping everywhere. lol

seriously....could you be more WRONG?

"THE FIRST BORN INTO GLORY"?

Isaiah 6:1
In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of his robe filled the temple.

John 12:41
Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him.

John 17:5
And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

"THE FIRST ONE TO OVERCOME THE WORLD"?

John 16:33
I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”

and how does anyone else "OVERCOME THE WORLD"?

Revelation 12:11
They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.

 

[Meridoc]

I am not saying anything i am merely quoting scripture?

Yes you are saying alot by the fact that you love taking one verse, or part of a verse, or often even one word to suggest something, and then twist everyone's answers when they pull up the whole passage or even multiple passages to show that the bible doesn't say what your suggesting it says. Your focusing on one word, "creature", when if you look at the verses around it as well as the greek words and the fuller definition of the words that comes in the amplified bible the passage doesn't say in any way that Jesus is a "creature". It says He is the Firstborn of EVERY creature, "the firstborn of every creature: 16FOR by him were all things created". You just trying to twist God's word and for that I rebuke you in the Holy Spirit because there is another character in the story of our lives that loves to do that and that person is satan.

May God show you that what you are doing is confusing and hurtful to his cause here at christian chat. There is no problem with getting people to think through the scripture but you are twisting the Word of God which is very wrong.

 

[zone]

Yes you are saying alot by the fact that you love taking one verse, or part of a verse, or often even one word to suggest something, and then twist everyone's answers when they pull up the whole passage or even multiple passages to show that the bible doesn't say what your suggesting it says. Your focusing on one word, "creature", when if you look at the verses around it as well as the greek words and the fuller definition of the words that comes in the amplified bible the passage doesn't say in any way that Jesus is a "creature". It says He is the Firstborn of EVERY creature, "the firstborn of every creature: 16FOR by him were all things created". You just trying to twist God's word and for that I rebuke you in the Holy Spirit because there is another character in the story of our lives that loves to do that and that person is satan.

May God show you that what you are doing is confusing and hurtful to his cause here at christian chat. There is no problem with getting people to think through the scripture but you are twisting the Word of God which is very wrong.

i second that emotion

 

[AnandaHya]

wait HOW MANY of these type of threads do you have on this subject? One is not enough?

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/23095-jesus-creature-being.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/23258-jesus-creature.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/19776-jesus-god-son-g0d.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/22853-second-adam.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/23007-word-god.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/20521-flesh-jesus-christ.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/20893-do-you-worship-god-mortal.html

mmmm different titles, same author, similar topics: who/what is Jesus?

if you didn't like the first answer people gave you, don't be surprised when you rephrase it you will get the same answer and it still won't be to your liking. Just a heads up.

 

[wakeup]

wait HOW MANY of these type of threads do you have on this subject? One is not enough?

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/23095-jesus-creature-being.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/23258-jesus-creature.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/19776-jesus-god-son-g0d.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/22853-second-adam.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/23007-word-god.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/20521-flesh-jesus-christ.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/20893-do-you-worship-god-mortal.html

mmmm different titles, same author, similar topics: who/what is Jesus?

if you didn't like the first answer people gave you, don't be surprised when you rephrase it you will get the same answer and it still won't be to your liking. Just a heads up.

that is only because they just may not understood my first question.

 

[wakeup]

that is only because they just may not understood my first question.

And after all that there is still no answer given, that only shows the lack of knowledge in the christian world.

 

[AnandaHya]

And after all that there is still no answer given, that only shows the lack of knowledge in the christian world.

no LOTS of answers have been given just not one you like.



sorry if there is a lack please remove the plank out of your eye before trying to do any eye surgery on me or any of my brethren?

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Hey zone got any cough drops???

 

[Tigger2]

LOL.
that's Jerusalem Tigger.
'churches' and people who teach the things affirmed by her are partakers of her deeds (i.e: Jesus was not I AM)
a small still voice in your ear?

I do believe Babylon may be Jerusalem but the Harlot or whore is not. The still small voice that whispers in my ear for guidance is figurative of the Holy Spirits guidance.

 

[zone]

I do believe Babylon may be Jerusalem but the Harlot or whore is not. The still small voice that whispers in my ear for guidance is figurative of the Holy Spirits guidance.

well, read the passages again: they're all about jerusalem and the Babylonian Whoredoms she did and does commit (the unpardonable sin, for example).
the great city is the Harlot. it is written.

she very busy today preparing for the grandest level of persecution the world has ever known.
it's already underway.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I do believe Babylon may be Jerusalem but the Harlot or whore is not. The still small voice that whispers in my ear for guidance is figurative of the Holy Spirits guidance.

Babylon could not be jerusalem. Jerusalem does not fit most, if any, of the Characteristics shown about it in Revelation.

 

[wakeup]

Seriously, could it be so simple. The first born into Glory, The first one to overcome the world. Sorry for the sarcasm. I couldn't help it it was dripping everywhere. lol

That is exactly it, he was the first fruit of the resurection and many will follow him in the day of the resurection. At his coming: But the christian world dont teach that. thye say when you die today you will go straight to heaven; why the contradiction here?

''wakeup''.

 

[wakeup]

Yes you are saying alot by the fact that you love taking one verse, or part of a verse, or often even one word to suggest something, and then twist everyone's answers when they pull up the whole passage or even multiple passages to show that the bible doesn't say what your suggesting it says. Your focusing on one word, "creature", when if you look at the verses around it as well as the greek words and the fuller definition of the words that comes in the amplified bible the passage doesn't say in any way that Jesus is a "creature". It says He is the Firstborn of EVERY creature, "the firstborn of every creature: 16FOR by him were all things created". You just trying to twist God's word and for that I rebuke you in the Holy Spirit because there is another character in the story of our lives that loves to do that and that person is satan.

May God show you that what you are doing is confusing and hurtful to his cause here at christian chat. There is no problem with getting people to think through the scripture but you are twisting the Word of God which is very wrong.

I quoted that scriptue as it is written; how can you say that i am twisting that scripture?
All i was asking is the answer to that scripture; Ihave not given the answer so far.
i have not made a comment or interpret that scripture, so why accuse me of twisting, what scripture have i twisted?

 

[wakeup]

no LOTS of answers have been given just not one you like.



sorry if there is a lack please remove the plank out of your eye before trying to do any eye surgery on me or any of my brethren?

(cough cough <<<<Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein)

Read more: Insanity: doing the same thing... at BrainyQuote

Hey zone got any cough drops???

They were not answers but just accusing me of twisting it. Ihave not given my answer,so how can i twist it?
Just give me one answer then.

 

[wakeup]

well, read the passages again: they're all about jerusalem and the Babylonian Whoredoms she did and does commit (the unpardonable sin, for example).
the great city is the Harlot. it is written.

she very busy today preparing for the grandest level of persecution the world has ever known.
it's already underway.

The woman is sitting on 7 heads, the first head is Egypt: where was isreal then?
The nation israel did not exist then. what you say?

 

[wakeup]

Babylon could not be jerusalem. Jerusalem does not fit most, if any, of the Characteristics shown about it in Revelation.

This woman is sitting on 7heads; and the first head is Egypt,Israel did not exist then.
Israel is none of the 7heads.
The 7heads are, 1Egypt. 2syria. 3babylon. 4Medo persia. 5Greecia. 6Rome. 7The new rome.( the british empire,all english speaking nations.) This is symbolised in daniel as the feet of iron mixed with clay(a mixed people) we are in now. The 8th is coming soon.
the 8th is part of the 7th.The 7th will be restructured into a one world order.
The woman is the SPIRIT OF ALL THOSE KINGDOM AND THIS ALSO.

Nimrod created Babel; one leader,one nation , one system,one language.
Satan is repeating it in a bigger scale, The one world order: one leader, one nation,one
system, one language.

This is the beast that came out of the bottomless pit in (rev17:8)and will go into perdition. Rev.19:20. this beast and the leader(false prophet) cast into the lake of fire.

''wakeup''.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This woman is sitting on 7heads; and the first head is Egypt,Israel did not exist then.
Israel is none of the 7heads.
The 7heads are, 1Egypt. 2syria. 3babylon. 4Medo persia. 5Greecia. 6Rome. 7The new rome.( the british empire,all english speaking nations.) This is symbolised in daniel as the feet of iron mixed with clay(a mixed people) we are in now. The 8th is coming soon.
the 8th is part of the 7th.The 7th will be restructured into a one world order.
The woman is the SPIRIT OF ALL THOSE KINGDOM AND THIS ALSO.

Nimrod created Babel; one leader,one nation , one system,one language.
Satan is repeating it in a bigger scale, The one world order: one leader, one nation,one
system, one language.

This is the beast that came out of the bottomless pit in (rev17:8)and will go into perdition. Rev.19:20. this beast and the leader(false prophet) cast into the lake of fire.

''wakeup''.

Where do you get that Egypt is the first Head?? The heads are kings as part of the 4th beast (roman Empire)

Nimrod created paganism. It is this religious cult which is babylon. A copy of the truth. which leadeth astray.

 

[wakeup]

Where do you get that Egypt is the first Head?? The heads are kings as part of the 4th beast (roman Empire)

Nimrod created paganism. It is this religious cult which is babylon. A copy of the truth. which leadeth astray.

Hi, EG. heads always represents empires; and horns represents kings.
mountains also represents kingdoms, and hills represents small kingdoms.

Every religion was spread by babylon; even before babylon was niniveh, the roots of babylon.

Nimrod was the first system inspired by satan, but God had to stop it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi, EG. heads always represents empires; and horns represents kings.
mountains also represents kingdoms, and hills represents small kingdoms.

Every religion was spread by babylon; even before babylon was niniveh, the roots of babylon.

Nimrod was the first system inspired by satan, but God had to stop it.

Yet God did not stop it. It is alive and well and very powerful today!

 

[wakeup]

Yet God did not stop it. It is alive and well and very powerful today!

He did not destroy it but he scattered them through out the earth.
because that was too soon Gd has other plans. Evil must escalate to the max. than God will gather them together in israel(jacobs trouble) then destroyed.(armageddon)